The G.O.A.T.
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Let's put it this way: they certainly have had more success than they deserve.
What the hail does this mean, Gip.
Fans are not deserving in any way.
The teams have had a ton of success the last 20 years, or so. What is not deserving of that?
You might be suffering from low self-esteem because - somehow - you suffer from championship envy. Probably, more a case of sour grapes.
Although some fans tend to tie their self-worth to the success of sports teams, I believe you're smarter than that.
Baseball fans are, IMHO, generally more sophisticated / smart than football fans. It's the nature of the sports.
What the hail does this mean, Gip.
Fans are not deserving in any way.
It means that Boston area fans can be asshats....and ergo should not have the right to have their teams be so successful.
The teams have had a ton of success the last 20 years, or so. What is not deserving of that?
I didn't say the teams were not deserving. Yes, these teams had success that they earned on the field.
You might be suffering from low self-esteem because - somehow - you suffer from championship envy. Probably, more a case of sour grapes.
No, more actually of recognizing a group of spoiled dickheads when I see them. Not everyone...but a fair amount of them.
Although some fans tend to tie their self-worth to the success of sports teams, I believe you're smarter than that.
Some fans tend not to tie their self worth to the success of sports teams....but to assign to themselves a right to superiority over others due to the fact that their sports teams have had success.
It is not a matter of being smart or otherwise. It is a matter of observing that type of behavior.
Baseball fans are, IMHO, generally more sophisticated / smart than football fans. It's the nature of the sports.
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Brady threw for 300+ and four touchdowns on the best defense in the league. The pats were down 10 after a lackluster 3rd quarter but then Brady dug down deep and mounted an epic comeback. The Legion of boom wilted before his fury while "Brady! Brady!" chants rained down on Arizona. THAT is greatness. That is what we haven't seen in Cleveland ever. In the end it came down to one play after wilson valiantly tried to win it but the best man prevailed.
If ever there was a definitive end to the brady vs manning argument it was last night. The seahawks clowned manning and donkey teeth. Tom Brady, the serial killer, refused to go down.
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Sour tears of haters taste yummy
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@douche-nozzle said:
The list encompasses 90 and 2000's for the simple reason that you can't compare 70's and 80's QB's to todays QB's. Entirely different game! And since the question was about Brady, and my comment was about Belichick, I kept it to the guys who played in that era......or close.
Well, as I said, I think the one thing that you can compare over eras is how much that QB dominated his era.
While certainly yes, players from the 30s/40s/50s/60s weren't throwing for 4000-5000 yards routinely like they are today (due to rule changes and lengthier schedules) you can compare if they won more than their contemporaries. And you can compare if they were consistent leaders in variously statistical categories.
Take this example: Since 2000 Drew Brees has led the NFL in total passing yards 5 times....with total passing yards of like 4400, 5400,5100, 4900, 5000
In his era, Otto Graham also led the league in passing yards 5 times but with totals of 2700/2800/2800/2700.
Then take the leaders in TD passes. Brady/Brees/Manning have been kind of sharing the lead in that stat the last 15 years with TD totals from anywhere from 28 to 55 TDs.
And going back in time to say the 40s, a similar thing was happening where the likes of Sid Luckman, Sammy Baugh and Bob Waterfield were trading the TD pass crown back and forth....but yea, the numbers were different. They ranged from like 14 to 28 TDs per year.
How you do against your contemporaries I believe can be compared.....even if the numbers are inflated in recent years.
For a period there in the late 50s/early 60s Johnny Unitas was winning just about every passing stat battle. He dominated everyone else. Again, sure the numbers were different than today's numbers, but in comparison to his contemporaries he ruled.
Here is another thing in which Brady has something similar to Unitas: Johnny U won early on in his career, back to back in 1958/59. Then he came back over a decade later to win again in the 1970 season. Like Brady who won in 01/03/04....but came back over a decade later to win in /15.
Having that kind of "staying power" gives a lot of credence to me for both of them to be considered the GOAT.....or at least putting them on that Mt. Rushmore of QBs.
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Brady threw for 300+ and four touchdowns on the best defense in the league. The pats were down 10 after a lackluster 3rd quarter but then Brady dug down deep and mounted an epic comeback. The Legion of boom wilted before his fury while "Brady! Brady!" chants rained down on Arizona. THAT is greatness. That is what we haven't seen in Cleveland ever. In the end it came down to one play after wilson valiantly tried to win it but the best man prevailed.
If ever there was a definitive end to the brady vs manning argument it was last night. The seahawks clowned manning and donkey teeth. Tom Brady, the serial killer, refused to go down.
Brady threw for 300+ and four touchdowns on the best defense in the league. The pats were down 10 after a lackluster 3rd quarter but then Brady dug down deep and mounted an epic comeback. The Legion of boom wilted before his fury while "Brady! Brady!" chants rained down on Arizona. THAT is greatness. That is what we haven't seen in Cleveland ever. In the end it came down to one play after wilson valiantly tried to win it but the best man prevailed.
If ever there was a definitive end to the brady vs manning argument it was last night. The seahawks clowned manning and donkey teeth. Tom Brady, the serial killer, refused to go down.
Brady is just a winner who puts up numbers throwing to Danny Amendola and Julian Edelman
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Brady threw for 300+ and four touchdowns on the best defense in the league. The pats were down 10 after a lackluster 3rd quarter but then Brady dug down deep and mounted an epic comeback. The Legion of boom wilted before his fury while "Brady! Brady!" chants rained down on Arizona. THAT is greatness. That is what we haven't seen in Cleveland ever. In the end it came down to one play after wilson valiantly tried to win it but the best man prevailed.
If ever there was a definitive end to the brady vs manning argument it was last night. The seahawks clowned manning and donkey teeth. Tom Brady, the serial killer, refused to go down.
Brady is just a winner who puts up numbers throwing to Danny Amendola and Julian Edelman
Brady is just a winner who puts up numbers throwing to Danny Amendola and Julian Edelman
Are you saying that those guys don't quite match up to like Jerry Rice who Montana had to throw to?
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Im writing an algorithm for QB goat right now, with over 20 catagory entries......been working on it for the last week or so, but need a some opinions/input on whats "most important" to you for GOAT....some are stats guys, so what stats matter to you?.....some go for winners?....super bowls?.....longevity?
so, whats tops on your Goat list Sb wins? or passer stats? accumulated stats?
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Im writing an algorithm for QB goat right now, with over 20 catagory entries......been working on it for the last week or so, but need a some opinions/input on whats "most important" to you for GOAT....some are stats guys, so what stats matter to you?.....some go for winners?....super bowls?.....longevity?
so, whats tops on your Goat list Sb wins? or passer stats? accumulated stats?
Im writing an algorithm for QB goat right now, with over 20 category entries......been working on it for the last week or so, but need a some opinions/input on whats "most important" to you for GOAT....some are stats guys, so what stats matter to you?.....some go for winners?....super bowls?.....longevity?
so, whats tops on your Goat list Sb wins? or passer stats? accumulated stats?
I look forward to it....and I believe that all those factors have to go into it.
Though, like I said, there has to be some factor involved for comparative eras.
As noted above....A 2800 yard passing season in the 50s may equate to a 5000 yard passing season in the 2010s.
Dominance of contemporary opponents would be a factor.
I am glad you are doing the math, and not me.
One thing I am not sure how you will handle is the longevity factor. Guys like Vinny Testaverde, Drew Bledsoe, Kerry Collins could be among the top ten in certain volume career stats, like yards, attempts, completions....but I wouldn't expect to see many people argue for them as part of the GOAT discussion.
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@douche-nozzle said:
I'm not sure why you seem to view a post, any post, as an opportunity for you to spew a diatribe; just your M.O. I guess... but my original point was simple.
I viewed it as an opportunity to engage in an interesting discussion....and to extrapolate on a point made....or to counterargue your point. Sorry you can't follow along.
As good as Brady is, you can't help wondering how great a few of the others in his era would be considered if they played under Belichick.
I have always wondered how mediocre Belichick would be without having Brady play for him.
Without Brady as his primary starter? In 7 years he has a losing record in 5 of them.
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Im writing an algorithm for QB goat right now, with over 20 category entries......been working on it for the last week or so, but need a some opinions/input on whats "most important" to you for GOAT....some are stats guys, so what stats matter to you?.....some go for winners?....super bowls?.....longevity?
so, whats tops on your Goat list Sb wins? or passer stats? accumulated stats?
I look forward to it....and I believe that all those factors have to go into it.
Though, like I said, there has to be some factor involved for comparative eras.
As noted above....A 2800 yard passing season in the 50s may equate to a 5000 yard passing season in the 2010s.
Dominance of contemporary opponents would be a factor.
I am glad you are doing the math, and not me.
One thing I am not sure how you will handle is the longevity factor. Guys like Vinny Testaverde, Drew Bledsoe, Kerry Collins could be among the top ten in certain volume career stats, like yards, attempts, completions....but I wouldn't expect to see many people argue for them as part of the GOAT discussion.
I look forward to it....and I believe that all those factors have to go into it.
Though, like I said, there has to be some factor involved for comparative eras.
As noted above....A 2800 yard passing season in the 50s may equate to a 5000 yard passing season in the 2010s.
Dominance of contemporary opponents would be a factor.
I am glad you are doing the math, and not me.
One thing I am not sure how you will handle is the longevity factor. Guys like Vinny Testaverde, Drew Bledsoe, Kerry Collins could be among the top ten in certain volume career stats, like yards, attempts, completions....but I wouldn't expect to see many people argue for them as part of the GOAT discussion.
The longevity factor is an interesting one, in that it will have positive and negative calculations that are factored in....ie credit has to be given for some accumulated stats(yds, td, etc) and value added for being a long term quality performer, though negative factors will play in and be balanced by avgs/per season etc....when I submit the final calculation, i will also offer a brief description of all the factors....
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Brady is just a winner who puts up numbers throwing to Danny Amendola and Julian Edelman
Are you saying that those guys don't quite match up to like Jerry Rice who Montana had to throw to?
Are you saying that those guys don't quite match up to like Jerry Rice who Montana had to throw to?
Just a bit shy of hall of fame caliber
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