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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
    #1

    I have no clue who Marc Sessler is, but he's written a thoughtful article on us.

    I almost quit in the opening where he recounts our woes. Midway through it, I even made a mental bet about when he'd actually get into his Rx for our woes. I lost. It turned I did not have to read but a little further than that one paragraph.

    Nothing earth shattering... just a thoughtful football piece free of rumor and innuendo... AKA a breath of fresh air.

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000469225/article/how-to-fix-the-cleveland-browns-by-september

  • gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by gumby73
    #2

    Marc Sessler can have MKC job any day. 50K above the cap there's somebody but at this point all the Texans have at QB is Ryan Mallett cause (FA) TJ Yates sucks and Fitzpatrick I believe is gone. Bill Callahan (OC) Don't think Mallett is going anywhere but we will see.. Just my gut--JM-practice squad. Shaw will compete with either (pick 139 Petty, or (pick 173 Mannon) or our last pick at (204 could get us Fajardo or Grayson). If its a FA Hoyer may stay, if and only, after he finds only Backup money out there??

  • OsirisO Osiris wrote on last edited by
    #3

    Sounds a lot like what the people on this board have been saying. It's exactly how I'd do it.

  • OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
    #4

    I read it a couple of times. Thanks for posting it.

  • T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by
    #5

    Liked the article and it does reinforce what the knowledgeable guys on here are saying.

    But gumby, JM to the practice squad? He'd be gone the next day when we could at least trade him for a late rounder at this point. PS would be like gift wrapping him and putting him on a Greyhound thru Philly on the way to Dallas. Someone would meet him at one of those two stops and not have to give us anything in return. At least have the pleasure of getting something out of Jerrah. He's still in charge when it comes to something like that.

  • Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out wrote on last edited by
    #6

    I like the take but I disagree with the QB plan.

    We don't need to waste money on a FA QB. This FA class is suspect, we'd be paying money for a lot of guys with potential and only a few with measurable production.

    A lot of people are clamoring over Nick Foles for good reason. However, there's still a question of whether or not he could emulate the same success in a non-Chip Kelly system. Look what Sanchez was able to do.

    Why pay NFL-veteran money for a "possibility"?

    If they're keen on going with a tall pocket passer, I'd rather see them draft Sean Mannion in round 3 or 4 and have him compete in training camp. With a solid offensive line and a legitimate running game, Mannion is capable of putting together a very solid season.

    If they're going for physical ceiling, I'd like to see them take Hundley. Hundley certainly has issues but his ceiling is probably the highest of all of the mid-round prospects.

    I think Shaw earned a chance to compete. Shaw, in this scenario, is comparable to Wilson. Smart, mechanically sound, undersized, a student of the game. However unlikely it is that he'll earn the job, he's at least earned the opportunity.

  • nickersN nickers wrote on last edited by
    #7

    Im all in for Nick Foles.. I think the kid barely scratched the surface of his talent.

  • Im all in for Nick Foles.. I think the kid barely scratched the surface of his talent.

    miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on last edited by
    #8

    @nickers said:

    Im all in for Nick Foles.. I think the kid barely scratched the surface of his talent.

    yessir!

  • Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out wrote on last edited by
    #9

    No thanks.

  • miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on last edited by
    #10

    foles at least has proven he can play in the nfl. and playing against nfc east defenses cannot be the easiest thing.

    play.

    not saying he's a world beater but why take a chance on another rookie 'project' when you can get someone that you have actually seen play at this level? see our rookie play (ha!) last year? who's to say hundley (who i actually like) petty or any other kid coming out this year can play at an nfl level?

    foles: higher price, lower risk.

  • foles at least has proven he can play in the nfl. and playing against nfc east defenses cannot be the easiest thing.

    play.

    not saying he's a world beater but why take a chance on another rookie 'project' when you can get someone that you have actually seen play at this level? see our rookie play (ha!) last year? who's to say hundley (who i actually like) petty or any other kid coming out this year can play at an nfl level?

    foles: higher price, lower risk.

    Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out wrote on last edited by
    #11

    @miktoxic said:

    foles at least has proven he can play in the nfl. and playing against nfc east defenses cannot be the easiest thing.

    play.

    not saying he's a world beater but why take a chance on another rookie 'project' when you can get someone that you have actually seen play at this level? see our rookie play (ha!) last year? who's to say hundley (who i actually like) petty or any other kid coming out this year can play at an nfl level?

    foles: higher price, lower risk.

    I'd normally agree with that, but the mere fact that Sanchez was able to not only be serviceable, but to some extent excel, worries me.

    Sanchez's rating in 2014 was 10 points higher than any other season in the NFL. He completed 64% of his passes, 8% more than his best season in New York.

    If Mark Sanchez can find success under Chip Kelly, who's to say it's not the system?

  • @miktoxic said:

    foles at least has proven he can play in the nfl. and playing against nfc east defenses cannot be the easiest thing.

    play.

    not saying he's a world beater but why take a chance on another rookie 'project' when you can get someone that you have actually seen play at this level? see our rookie play (ha!) last year? who's to say hundley (who i actually like) petty or any other kid coming out this year can play at an nfl level?

    foles: higher price, lower risk.

    I'd normally agree with that, but the mere fact that Sanchez was able to not only be serviceable, but to some extent excel, worries me.

    Sanchez's rating in 2014 was 10 points higher than any other season in the NFL. He completed 64% of his passes, 8% more than his best season in New York.

    If Mark Sanchez can find success under Chip Kelly, who's to say it's not the system?

    miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on last edited by
    #12

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    I'd normally agree with that, but the mere fact that Sanchez was able to not only be serviceable, but to some extent excel, worries me.

    Sanchez's rating in 2014 was 10 points higher than any other season in the NFL. He completed 64% of his passes, 8% more than his best season in New York.

    If Mark Sanchez can find success under Chip Kelly, who's to say it's not the system?

    gotcha.

    could be. could also be the fact that sanchez got out from all the media firestorms here in NY. also even with his miraculous rebirth there were times last year where he reverted to the 'same old sanchez'.

    not to say philly fans and media aren't just as bad as NY or maybe worse butt.....

  • @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    I'd normally agree with that, but the mere fact that Sanchez was able to not only be serviceable, but to some extent excel, worries me.

    Sanchez's rating in 2014 was 10 points higher than any other season in the NFL. He completed 64% of his passes, 8% more than his best season in New York.

    If Mark Sanchez can find success under Chip Kelly, who's to say it's not the system?

    gotcha.

    could be. could also be the fact that sanchez got out from all the media firestorms here in NY. also even with his miraculous rebirth there were times last year where he reverted to the 'same old sanchez'.

    not to say philly fans and media aren't just as bad as NY or maybe worse butt.....

    W Westside Steve wrote on last edited by
    #13

    @miktoxic said:

    gotcha.

    could be. could also be the fact that sanchez got out from all the media firestorms here in NY. also even with his miraculous rebirth there were times last year where he reverted to the 'same old sanchez'.

    not to say philly fans and media aren't just as bad as NY or maybe worse butt.....

    Dude compared to whom, us?

    WSS

  • @miktoxic said:

    gotcha.

    could be. could also be the fact that sanchez got out from all the media firestorms here in NY. also even with his miraculous rebirth there were times last year where he reverted to the 'same old sanchez'.

    not to say philly fans and media aren't just as bad as NY or maybe worse butt.....

    Dude compared to whom, us?

    WSS

    miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on last edited by
    #14

    @westside-steve said:

    Dude compared to whom, us?

    WSS

    i doubt if the plain dealer or beacon journal ever printed a photo of a weeden pick 6 with some foul demeaning as hell headline along the lines of what the NY media does to anyone that fails.

    a lot of people just can't take the pressure to play in NY.

    ask the big unit.

  • W Westside Steve wrote on last edited by
    #15

    Whatever I can't imagine it being worse than this board but...

    😉

    WSS

  • Liked the article and it does reinforce what the knowledgeable guys on here are saying.

    But gumby, JM to the practice squad? He'd be gone the next day when we could at least trade him for a late rounder at this point. PS would be like gift wrapping him and putting him on a Greyhound thru Philly on the way to Dallas. Someone would meet him at one of those two stops and not have to give us anything in return. At least have the pleasure of getting something out of Jerrah. He's still in charge when it comes to something like that.

    gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by gumby73
    #16

    @texasag1969 said:

    Liked the article and it does reinforce what the knowledgeable guys on here are saying.

    But gumby, JM to the practice squad? He'd be gone the next day when we could at least trade him for a late rounder at this point. PS would be like gift wrapping him and putting him on a Greyhound thru Philly on the way to Dallas. Someone would meet him at one of those two stops and not have to give us anything in return. At least have the pleasure of getting something out of Jerrah. He's still in charge when it comes to something like that.

    JM I am right there with you but on a rookie contract with these front office tight wads, I just don't see it yet. Proof 50mill above cap 2015 and we had cap 2014 left over and never used it... Love the Talent not the player and Upgrade. Huge problem in Farmer and Haslem on JM and Pettine needs to stop both of them or become jobless or refuse the puppet strings and he may still become jobless. Proof Shanny.. Proof Butts in the seats (ticket sales) and Jersey Sales overrode Talent

  • @miktoxic said:

    foles at least has proven he can play in the nfl. and playing against nfc east defenses cannot be the easiest thing.

    play.

    not saying he's a world beater but why take a chance on another rookie 'project' when you can get someone that you have actually seen play at this level? see our rookie play (ha!) last year? who's to say hundley (who i actually like) petty or any other kid coming out this year can play at an nfl level?

    foles: higher price, lower risk.

    I'd normally agree with that, but the mere fact that Sanchez was able to not only be serviceable, but to some extent excel, worries me.

    Sanchez's rating in 2014 was 10 points higher than any other season in the NFL. He completed 64% of his passes, 8% more than his best season in New York.

    If Mark Sanchez can find success under Chip Kelly, who's to say it's not the system?

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
    #17

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    I'd normally agree with that, but the mere fact that Sanchez was able to not only be serviceable, but to some extent excel, worries me.

    Sanchez's rating in 2014 was 10 points higher than any other season in the NFL. He completed 64% of his passes, 8% more than his best season in New York.

    If Mark Sanchez can find success under Chip Kelly, who's to say it's not the system?

    Yeah, but...

    If I were devising the ideal system for Foles, it would be closer to our 2014 than Chip's.

    If I were choosing between Foles' and Sanchez's skill sets for Chip's system, I would choose Sanchez.

  • Whatever I can't imagine it being worse than this board but...

    😉

    WSS

    miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on last edited by
    #18

    @westside-steve said:

    Whatever I can't imagine it being worse than this board but...

    😉

    WSS

    sorry steve. didn't know we were talking this board (yikes!).

    i thought we were talking the nationally acclaimed rags that are printed in cleveland and akron. god knows MKC and crew are freakin cutting edge.

  • Bob806B Bob806 wrote on last edited by
    #19

    I like Foles too.

    What are "the issues" with Hundley? I only saw him play a couple of games, and I saw a strong guy, good arm, and mobility. I'm not saying he's the savior, I just want to know if he's a risky pick.

  • I like Foles too.

    What are "the issues" with Hundley? I only saw him play a couple of games, and I saw a strong guy, good arm, and mobility. I'm not saying he's the savior, I just want to know if he's a risky pick.

    Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out wrote on last edited by
    #20

    @bob806 said:

    I like Foles too.

    What are "the issues" with Hundley? I only saw him play a couple of games, and I saw a strong guy, good arm, and mobility. I'm not saying he's the savior, I just want to know if he's a risky pick.

    Poor pocket presence, operates primarily out of shotgun, not asked to read defenses, quick to run under duress, questionable decision making.

    Reminds me of Jason Campbell. Campbell hovered on the edge of a first round grade, was considered to have the talents of the top quarterbacks ahead of him, but there were questions about his decision making and mental makeup.