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  • F Frenchie

    I'm glad Haslam stepped up on Wednesday, handled the press, and supported his guys. He also presented optimism and set the record straight on dysfunction. I would point out two errors: 1) Q do you know about what's on the texts? Hallam : "No" (which no one believes) My recommendation: I cannot comment on subjects that are currently a part of an on-going NFL investigation. 2) Q what is your response to claims that the management team is dysfunctional. Haslam: I don't think we're dysfunctional at all ... We straightened roles and responsibilities at an off season meeting and put together a winning plan. My recommendation: The dysfunctional parts of last year's management/coaching team are no longer with the team. (SLAM!)

    @frenchie said:

    I'm glad Haslam stepped up on Wednesday, handled the press, and supported his guys. He also presented optimism and set the record straight on dysfunction.

    Still catching up on all that was said, but good take on what Jimmy at least tried to do. Similar to what Kraft did prior to the Super Bowl.

    @darren15 said:

    Our owner has said there will be no big splash in free agency .........

    Which means he thinks top players would be out of their minds to even want to come to such a dysfunctional team..... saying we wont spend is a nice way of saying we suck

    Obviously your glass is nowhere near half-full...

    I read "no big splash" and think, "we've conducted our review and do not see any stars coming available that will be worth the salary they will command to us".

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196

  • Ive always considered "big splash" FA signings to basically mean popular, overpaid skill player......

    Example of A BIG SPLASH.....burning the whole wad on a Dez Bryant.....or.....Suh type of player....which would cause many to dance in the street....

    Where I think Farmer(and the Browns) would more likely sign 3-4 journeyman players(for the same money) and fill several needs.

    This would get me dancing.....

  • Here is my honest opinion about these general issues:

    The difference between the Browns and say the Patriots, is that they have (and have had) Tom Brady and we don't.

    Yes....that means I don't think their owner Bob Kraft is any better of an owner than we have had in Lerner and Haslam. I think BB would have been a decent DC, but as a HC his success is fairly well much built on Brady. I don't think their scouting departments/GMs have been any better really than the Browns.

    So, that's it.

  • I am enjoying it, we can develop an against the world attitude and say fuck everyone else

  • darren15D darren15

    Our owner has said there will be no big splash in free agency .........

    Which means he thinks top players would be out of their minds to even want to come to such a dysfunctional team..... saying we wont spend is a nice way of saying we suck

    @darren15 said:

    Our owner has said there will be no big splash in free agency .........

    Which means he thinks top players would be out of their minds to even want to come to such a dysfunctional team..... saying we wont spend is a nice way of saying we suck

    He didn't say that. He said we probably won't be as active and make as big a splash. Last year we were pretty active.

    Start reading and comprehending what was written rather than read what you want to read in to it..

    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
  • ballpeenB ballpeen

    @darren15 said:

    Our owner has said there will be no big splash in free agency .........

    Which means he thinks top players would be out of their minds to even want to come to such a dysfunctional team..... saying we wont spend is a nice way of saying we suck

    He didn't say that. He said we probably won't be as active and make as big a splash. Last year we were pretty active.

    Start reading and comprehending what was written rather than read what you want to read in to it..

    @ballpeen said:

    He didn't say that. He said we probably won't be as active and make as big a splash. Last year we were pretty active.

    Start reading and comprehending what was written rather than read what you want to read in to it..

    Any comments about future strategy (i.e. Draft, Mariota, trades, FA signing, etc.) mean absolutely nothing and are usually more smoke screen than anything else. The Browns need a great draft and FA and perhaps one or two UDFA's to field a team that can consistently win. Call it a drip or call it a splash, we need some quality players and I expect them to be active in FA. Maybe it's not Suh-level dollars but as a body of work, I'll be disappointed in we don't get 6 FA players including a QB and two WR's.

  • I have confidence in Ray Farmer to get us the people we need to take us to the next level. Some people cannot get past the Manziel pick but you need to be objective and look at the bigger picture and how he did with his first draft in total including his free agents he brought aboard. I think Gilbert may turn around this year and if he doesn't that would be a big disappointment.

    I would think an owner like Haslam who immediately gave Pettine a vote of confidence after the last game and now his standing behind Farmer over the textgate incident will only make these guys more motivated in their jobs. JMO.

  • OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan

    I have confidence in Ray Farmer to get us the people we need to take us to the next level. Some people cannot get past the Manziel pick but you need to be objective and look at the bigger picture and how he did with his first draft in total including his free agents he brought aboard. I think Gilbert may turn around this year and if he doesn't that would be a big disappointment.

    I would think an owner like Haslam who immediately gave Pettine a vote of confidence after the last game and now his standing behind Farmer over the textgate incident will only make these guys more motivated in their jobs. JMO.

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    I have confidence in Ray Farmer to get us the people we need to take us to the next level. Some people cannot get past the Manziel pick but you need to be objective and look at the bigger picture and how he did with his first draft in total including his free agents he brought aboard. I think Gilbert may turn around this year and if he doesn't that would be a big disappointment.

    I would think an owner like Haslam who immediately gave Pettine a vote of confidence after the last game and now his standing behind Farmer over the textgate incident will only make these guys more motivated in their jobs. JMO.

    Then I think you will be disappointed. I think we might sign 2-3-, maybe 4 players tops.

    It's hard to say how we go after free agency. I think we will add a few players. Hard to say who or what positions. Once the free agents are actually free, then we might get a better idea.

    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.

  • FA must haves are: Gipson, a WR (hopefully 2) and a QB. I think they'll be as many as 6. None might be "splash" names, but I'm OK with that. As long as they contribute and improve the overall quality of the team.

  • I think we will. People complain about Farmer and possible bust picks in round one, but the way i see it is Farmer is very good at building the bottom of the roster. As good as I have seen in a long time, be it a limited time.

    So that tells me he knows what he is looking for and is good at it. If Manziel and Gilbert totally flame out, I don't think many would have predicted that, especially Gilbert. I don't think either Gilbert or Manziel would have lasted more than a couple of picks further then when we took them, so sometimes it is simply luck of the draw. Some things can't be predicted.

    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
  • ballpeenB ballpeen

    I think we will. People complain about Farmer and possible bust picks in round one, but the way i see it is Farmer is very good at building the bottom of the roster. As good as I have seen in a long time, be it a limited time.

    So that tells me he knows what he is looking for and is good at it. If Manziel and Gilbert totally flame out, I don't think many would have predicted that, especially Gilbert. I don't think either Gilbert or Manziel would have lasted more than a couple of picks further then when we took them, so sometimes it is simply luck of the draw. Some things can't be predicted.

    @ballpeen said:

    I think we will. People complain about Farmer and possible bust picks in round one, but the way i see it is Farmer is very good at building the bottom of the roster. As good as I have seen in a long time, be it a limited time.

    So that tells me he knows what he is looking for and is good at it. If Manziel and Gilbert totally flame out, I don't think many would have predicted that, especially Gilbert. I don't think either Gilbert or Manziel would have lasted more than a couple of picks further then when we took them, so sometimes it is simply luck of the draw. Some things can't be predicted.

    I agree. Gilbert is an awesome athlete with the second fastest 40 time of any Browns player. With his height and ability, nobody could gave predicted the year he's had. Personally, I would have gone WR because we had Skrine and many draft picks. But I can't fault the Gilbert pick with the Buffalo trade. Manziel was a total high risk / high return pick, and sometimes you have to take those risks. Nonetheless, the Browns should have learned that selecting a "falling" QB in the draft is bad news. There is a reason why other teams are avoiding the pick, and they're probably right.

  • The only thing that will stop the negativity and "piling on" is winning. When the Browns were 7-4 at one point in the season I don't remember all the negative stories at that time?

  • OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan

    The only thing that will stop the negativity and "piling on" is winning. When the Browns were 7-4 at one point in the season I don't remember all the negative stories at that time?

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    The only thing that will stop the negativity and "piling on" is winning. When the Browns were 7-4 at one point in the season I don't remember all the negative stories at that time?

    While that may be true, the repeated negativity in the press was/is rediculous, unjustified, and frankly, unprofessional. The negativity should have been about Shanny and the players being suspended/going into rehab. Not about the Browns who improved their record and took a step forward in 2014 - in a division where 3 out of 4 teams male the playoffs! And without 2 1st round draft choices, many key injuries, and a below average QB.

    But hey, someone saw this post, because I loved Terry Pluto's article on the Browns today. And if I were with the Browns, I would be promoting the positives aggressively and basically say, we're building a winning organization in Cleveland. It's going to take time, it's going to be hard work, and it's not going to always be linear. And my tone would be: For all you nay-Sayers out there, f-off and don't come looking for interviews when we start winning because we will remember how you expressed your opinion when we needed your support the most.

    OldBrownsFanO 1 Reply

  • Crazy thread. If the Browns want people to 'stop piling on', then stop doing stuff that people can pile on with........ Pretty damn simple.

    Shit, did I just 'pile on'?

  • F Frenchie

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    The only thing that will stop the negativity and "piling on" is winning. When the Browns were 7-4 at one point in the season I don't remember all the negative stories at that time?

    While that may be true, the repeated negativity in the press was/is rediculous, unjustified, and frankly, unprofessional. The negativity should have been about Shanny and the players being suspended/going into rehab. Not about the Browns who improved their record and took a step forward in 2014 - in a division where 3 out of 4 teams male the playoffs! And without 2 1st round draft choices, many key injuries, and a below average QB.

    But hey, someone saw this post, because I loved Terry Pluto's article on the Browns today. And if I were with the Browns, I would be promoting the positives aggressively and basically say, we're building a winning organization in Cleveland. It's going to take time, it's going to be hard work, and it's not going to always be linear. And my tone would be: For all you nay-Sayers out there, f-off and don't come looking for interviews when we start winning because we will remember how you expressed your opinion when we needed your support the most.

    @frenchie said:

    While that may be true, the repeated negativity in the press was/is rediculous, unjustified, and frankly, unprofessional. The negativity should have been about Shanny and the players being suspended/going into rehab. Not about the Browns who improved their record and took a step forward in 2014 - in a division where 3 out of 4 teams male the playoffs! And without 2 1st round draft choices, many key injuries, and a below average QB.

    But hey, someone saw this post, because I loved Terry Pluto's article on the Browns today. And if I were with the Browns, I would be promoting the positives aggressively and basically say, we're building a winning organization in Cleveland. It's going to take time, it's going to be hard work, and it's not going to always be linear. And my tone would be: For all you nay-Sayers out there, f-off and don't come looking for interviews when we start winning because we will remember how you expressed your opinion when we needed your support the most.

    I don't see where being negative ever helps anything. The people I knew in business who were always negative ended up with failed businesses. I believe in positive criticism but not the negativism that just tears down.

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  • OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan

    @frenchie said:

    While that may be true, the repeated negativity in the press was/is rediculous, unjustified, and frankly, unprofessional. The negativity should have been about Shanny and the players being suspended/going into rehab. Not about the Browns who improved their record and took a step forward in 2014 - in a division where 3 out of 4 teams male the playoffs! And without 2 1st round draft choices, many key injuries, and a below average QB.

    But hey, someone saw this post, because I loved Terry Pluto's article on the Browns today. And if I were with the Browns, I would be promoting the positives aggressively and basically say, we're building a winning organization in Cleveland. It's going to take time, it's going to be hard work, and it's not going to always be linear. And my tone would be: For all you nay-Sayers out there, f-off and don't come looking for interviews when we start winning because we will remember how you expressed your opinion when we needed your support the most.

    I don't see where being negative ever helps anything. The people I knew in business who were always negative ended up with failed businesses. I believe in positive criticism but not the negativism that just tears down.

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    I don't see where being negative ever helps anything. The people I knew in business who were always negative ended up with failed businesses. I believe in positive criticism but not the negativism that just tears down.

    +1 on that....

    I know of NO successful people in life who would elect to have a whiner, second guesser or cry baby on their team....

    Finger pointers and second guessers offer zero that we dont already know.....they thrive on pointing out the obvious, whilst rarely offering an answer or positive solution......they really are only good at pointing other peoples failings

    while positive-forward thinking people are the ones who can set aside the past....think about the present.....and offer ideas, solutions and positive energy moving toward.....

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  • I'll take objective over positive and negative...

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    I'll take objective over positive and negative...

    @tour2ma said:

    I'll take objective over positive and negative...

    That is the word I was searching for.

    I don't know of any business that succeeded and got to the top by being negative all the time, whining and complaining, finger pointing. or being divisive and not working together. I read where Haslam felt he was sucker punched with the recent criticism for him bringing nothing but misery and instability to the Browns. I didn't like that assessment myself. He is a new owner who might have made some mistakes but he was wise enough to hire Pettine as HC. I give Haslam credit for sticking by his GM over the texting. I saw where he put millions of his own money into stadium improvements. That is not a requirement of an owner. I look at last season as year one of the Haslam, Farmer and Pettine team. They did better than expected. I want to see where they take us after another couple seasons. The bottom line are the results. It would be a big disappointment if they aren't competing for the division title next season. They gave it a nice run this year.

  • OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan

    @tour2ma said:

    I'll take objective over positive and negative...

    That is the word I was searching for.

    I don't know of any business that succeeded and got to the top by being negative all the time, whining and complaining, finger pointing. or being divisive and not working together. I read where Haslam felt he was sucker punched with the recent criticism for him bringing nothing but misery and instability to the Browns. I didn't like that assessment myself. He is a new owner who might have made some mistakes but he was wise enough to hire Pettine as HC. I give Haslam credit for sticking by his GM over the texting. I saw where he put millions of his own money into stadium improvements. That is not a requirement of an owner. I look at last season as year one of the Haslam, Farmer and Pettine team. They did better than expected. I want to see where they take us after another couple seasons. The bottom line are the results. It would be a big disappointment if they aren't competing for the division title next season. They gave it a nice run this year.

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    It would be a big disappointment if they aren't competing for the division title next season.

    Objectively speaking, with the current state of the roster - hell the entire franchise - coupled with next year's schedule, that is some positive thinking right there.

  • D BoneD D Bone

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    It would be a big disappointment if they aren't competing for the division title next season.

    Objectively speaking, with the current state of the roster - hell the entire franchise - coupled with next year's schedule, that is some positive thinking right there.

    @d-bone said:

    Objectively speaking, with the current state of the roster - hell the entire franchise - coupled with next year's schedule, that is some positive thinking right there.

    We proved this year we can compete with all the teams in our division. All the teams in the division are facing next year's tougher schedule too. But I am a positive guy anyway 🙂 ...being negative gets you nowhere.

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