mock draft thread

MLD Woody

@miktoxic said:

while doing the fanspeak mock i saw white going to the jets @6. really?

anyways, about beckham. hasn't he got trouble written all over him?

A ton of trouble. He'd need to go to a place with proven veteran leadership, especially at WR. So, not the Browns.

MLD Woody

@mudfly said:

I get it and understand why you like him.....

But for the Browns, Im only interested in a big play guy....a game breaker type to replace Gordon......and there are very few in this draft.

It could be a big guy or a strong fast guy.....as long as he can bust it open.....cause thats what we're missing

And the obvious ones I see are Cooper, White & Green-Beckham......though, if Farmer picks one later and he's still there, Smith could fit the bill.

So, as far as #1 receiver game breaker type potential, thats what I see....4 of em....

Idk if I'd but Smith at the level of those guys...

But yes, obviously Cooper would be our first choice (or a Green-Beckham w/o issues). White is right after Cooper.

tiamat63

I'd be interested to see the drop percentage between Funchess and Smith, I have a feeling its not as high as one may think for the latter.

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@mudfly said:

I get it and understand why you like him.....

But for the Browns, Im only interested in a big play guy....a game breaker type to replace Gordon......and there are very few in this draft.

It could be a big guy or a strong fast guy.....as long as he can bust it open.....cause thats what we're missing

And the obvious ones I see are Cooper, White & Green-Beckham......though, if Farmer picks one later and he's still there, Smith could fit the bill.

So, as far as #1 receiver game breaker type potential, thats what I see....4 of em....

Fast doesn't equal game breaker, though. We have speed. We need a guy with speed and the ability to find holes in the coverage. That's where the real game breaking ability lies.

Speed, size, hands, routes, or spectacular catches - you can only have 3...unless you're Megatron.

MLD Woody

http://instagram.com/p/zIJDvbtw3q/?utm_source=partner&utm_medium=embed&utm_campaign=video

I wish I knew how to embed that

tiamat63

@mld-woody said:

http://instagram.com/p/zIJDvbtw3q/?utm_source=partner&utm_medium=embed&utm_campaign=video

I wish I knew how to embed that

So.... He's 6'5 with long arms and a decent vertical. I'd be more worried if he couldn't dunk.

Mudfly

@mld-woody said:

Idk if I'd but Smith at the level of those guys...

I didn't.....I said take Smith later if we dont get one of the big 3....

@tiamat63 said:
I'd be interested to see the drop percentage between Funchess and Smith, I have a feeling its not as high as one may think for the latter.

Smith has great hands.....did have a few concentration drops.....missed a few easy ones, while making a ton of tough catches

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Fast doesn't equal game breaker, though. We have speed. We need a guy with speed and the ability to find holes in the coverage. That's where the real game breaking ability lies.

dont think I said it did?....did i?.....

Hey, I think Smith shows big play potential simply because he makes big plays over and over and over again.....scores a ton too...speed, decent size, strength and good instincts if you ask me.....so I watch Funchess dunk, heres some Smith.....note the first catch....

MLD Woody

@mudfly said:

I didn't.....I said take Smith later if we dont get one of the big 3....

Hey, I think Smith shows big play potential simply because he makes big plays over and over and over again.....scores a ton too...speed, decent size, strength and good instincts if you ask me.....so I watch Funchess dunk, heres some Smith.....note the first catch....

I guess you said that. It wasn't exactly worded like that, but I'll take your word for it. As long as you aren't saying he's at there level.

If that video shows anything, its that Smith is very good at that one thing. Especially when the defender isnt there or falls over or something, lol. If he is going to be a legitimate #1 WR like that other guys you mentioned, he'll have to run a more diverse route tree.

MLD Woody

@tiamat63 said:
So.... He's 6'5 with long arms and a decent vertical. I'd be more worried if he couldn't dunk.

I would say the impressive thing there isn't the dunk, but that he can pretty much bite the rim

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@mudfly said:

I didn't.....I said take Smith later if we dont get one of the big 3....

Smith has great hands.....did have a few concentration drops.....missed a few easy ones, while making a ton of tough catches

dont think I said it did?....did i?.....

Hey, I think Smith shows big play potential simply because he makes big plays over and over and over again.....scores a ton too...speed, decent size, strength and good instincts if you ask me.....so I watch Funchess dunk, heres some Smith.....note the first catch....

I'm not saying you did. I'm tempering your statement in advance for the people who are going to say "we have speed already with Benjamin and Hawkins we don't need more speed".

Mudfly

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:
I'm not saying you did. I'm tempering your statement in advance for the people who are going to say "we have speed already with Benjamin and Hawkins we don't need more speed".

+1

Mudfly

@mld-woody said:

If that video shows anything, its that Smith is very good at that one thing.

yes....and he is very good at it......it being "scoring td's", of course.....one every 2.75 passes, to be exact.....

and now Ill get off the whole Smith thing...it's not like he's my top player or Im saying he's a #1 pick(this all has to be in the context of where he's projected to go and the other WR's in THAT group)....so, I just jumped in when it was asked why take him over Funchess?....and on that, I thought he had more upside, was less of a project and was closer to #1 material, while Funchess was closer to TE material.........so, in the end, I guess we can just agree to disagree....and wait it out.....

they'll probably both go somewhere else anyway.....

andeftw

@mudfly said:

I didn't.....I said take Smith later if we dont get one of the big 3....

Smith has great hands.....did have a few concentration drops.....missed a few easy ones, while making a ton of tough catches

dont think I said it did?....did i?.....

Hey, I think Smith shows big play potential simply because he makes big plays over and over and over again.....scores a ton too...speed, decent size, strength and good instincts if you ask me.....so I watch Funchess dunk, heres some Smith.....note the first catch....

I don't follow OSU games much but other than a fade route in the end zone and a screen pass, all the video shows is that the guy's route tree consists of the go. I'll be following him closely at the combine to see how he does in terms of catching and the 40. You can't teach a guy speed or how to be a 'hands catcher' so if he ticks those two boxes, NFL coaching should do the rest.

Tour2ma

@mudfly said:

Smith has great hands.....did have a few concentration drops.....missed a few easy ones, while making a ton of tough catches

Hey, I think Smith shows big play potential simply because he makes big plays...

Smith fights hard and pulls in more than his share of 50/50 balls for a WR of his stature with his tenacity or body positioning. I seem to recall two such instances in the Championship game... one on his long TD reception which was a bit underthrown and to the inside.

Westside Steve

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2366708-the-cleveland-browns-round-1-big-board-before-combine

WSS

Tour2ma

So our "pre-combine" board is supposedly:

M. Mariota (QB)
M. Williams (TE)
B. Scherff ("OL")
E. Goldman (DT)
D. Shelton (DT)
D. Parker (WR)
K. White (WR)

Max Williams at #2 ahead of Shelton? lol...

Idiot article starting with "need"...

tiamat63

@tour2ma said:

So our "pre-combine" board is supposedly:

M. Mariota (QB)

M. Williams (TE)

B. Scherff ("OL")

E. Goldman (DT)

D. Shelton (DT)

D. Parker (WR)

K. White (WR)

Max Williams at #2 ahead of Shelton? lol...
Idiot article starting with "need"...

In order.

Mariota - Simply, no thank you.

Williams - Great vertical threat from him. I'd take the pick depending on where he falls.

Schreff - We already know how we feel on that one.

Goldman - I don't get this guy or any hype around him. One trick pony who is slightly about average stopping the run. He won't be a very good NT, and offers next to nothing in pass rush.

Shelton - Yes, please. Should be our #1 in ANY scenario. (I'm more and more doubting he falls past Chicago)

Parker - I don't see it. When I think of a 1st round WR, I think of AJ Green. This kid is no Green and I absolutely would not at 12.

White - Potential to be the next Fitz. How high you'd like to place a value you on that?... not sure.

Tour2ma

I'm feeling the same on Shelton. So...

Assuming Williams falls to #3: Do you go after him?

If no, then do you try to get Shelton before the Bears can or do you wait and tab Brown?

tiamat63

@tour2ma said:

I'm feeling the same on Shelton. So...

Assuming Williams falls to #3: Do you go after him?

If no, then do you try to get Shelton before the Bears can or do you wait and tab Brown?

I wouldn't touch Williams in the 1st. He's good, but not THAT good.

In regards to Shelton. In a draft this deep with quality talent, I'm not moving up to take anyone. Let other franchises make that mistake. I actually had a scenario in mind if Shelton was gone. I'd trade down BOTH 1st round picks. 12 and 19. If I get two back half 1st rounders and 2 extra 2nd round picks then I've now secure 5 picks in the top 55.

In my crazy mind, I take two players to supplement what Shelton can do. I'll take Carl Davis and Michael Bennett.

(Lets be real, barring a career season for Big Phil, he won't be back after this year)

Tell the AFCN you're not fucking running the ball on us. Period. The toughness and mentality that brings.

Your guards better be ELITE pass protectors. Because the shortest path to a QB is a straight line and we have TWO 3 tech monsters in Bennett and Desmond.

Give the team the unit identity to hang its hat on. Top 5 units in BOTH lines.

Look at all the good teams in the NFL. They all have an identity.

In Dallas its the Oline and skill positions.

In Seattle its the Dline and running game.

In San Fran its both lines and the running game.

In Denver its the QB, receivers and pass rush.

In New England its the QB and the secondary.

In Detroit its the Dline and receivers.

You see the trend.

Sure, my idea is borderline crazy considering all the needs. But...I guarantee our linebackers would be clean, secondary benefits from less time covering and the offense benefits from having a defense that can get them the ball back more.

If by some small miracle Orchard slips to the 11 spot in the 2nd, give me him as well. Then take your best available WR, OG/OT, TE and QB.

edit: Brings a college phrase to mind. Recruit for defense, coach for offense.

TexasAg1969

I'd Take Shelton, but if gone take Collins or Peat at OT and Goldman next. Davis if Goldman is gone by then. I would not move up for anyone in the 1st round.