total apathy.
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Haven't been around for a while. Been taking a much needed hiatus from this shit show of an organization. It's been refreshing.
I was born and raised a Browns fan. I live in Columbus surrounded by Bengals and Steeler fans, but I have never once even considered giving up my beloved Browns....until now. We've gone into many an off season since the return with not much hope for the next year, but, IMO, it's never been this bad. And that says a lot. This team has been a laughing stock over the past 15 seasons, but at least it was in our own little cocoon world. The moment we drafted Johnny, we put ourselves into the national spotlight, and ended up looking like fools. I cannot and will not support that stupidity. Drafting Johnny was plain stupid for this organization. We were not even remotely prepared for any of the chaos that came with him. This kid managed to embarrass the Browns. Let that sink in for a moment. We needed no help in being an embarrassment, but we sure got some. We went from being an afterthought embarrassment around the league, to a very public joke on a national level. Thing is, I can't blame Johnny for that. Whoever thought drafting him was a good idea is to blame. Farmer or Haslam. That's what gives me little inclination to continue supporting this organization. Separate from the FO, I love the team and coaching staff. Very tricky issue for me right now.
What I do know is that if the FO decides to compound the issue by handing Johnny the starting gig next season, I won't be watching. It's just another train wreck waiting to happen. I can't do it. I have no faith in the kid. He hasn't given me any reason at all to have any faith. He's done not one thing to prove me wrong about him. Not one. I hope his rehab was his decision and not a PR move from his agent, but I have serious doubts. As a human being, I hope the kid finds his way. I even have sympathy for him to an extent. I think there might be a bit of him losing some of the love of the game that came with all the hype. I also feel like if that's the case, the best thing for him would be to take a step back, get away from the spotlight for a while and concentrate on rebuilding that love of the game. I'm just not sure his "people" will allow that to happen. He's become a brand instead of a person to them. But before he can even start that process, he has to battle the addiction and immaturity issues.
For me, even if he does everything right, and works his tail off, gets his addictions under control, and loses the hype of Johnny Football, I'm still not convinced he's an NFL QB. Just feel like the mountain he has to climb is too steep and my patience has worn too thin. Another point to consider is that if all that happens and he becomes a mega star again, will he be able to control those same demons that has landed him here? I feel for the kid, but the Browns had no business drafting him into an organization with tenuous stability. That's no place for a kid like him to be successful. He should never have been drafted as someone's savior. A kid who most likely never held a job in his life was expected to take on probably the hardest job that exists for a pro athlete. Bad idea.
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I will be the first to admit I don't follow football like some here. I just have been a fan for almost 50 years. What I do know are people, working with people has been my career. I know what negativity can do to a business or an individual. There is a negative mindset in Cleveland that is only destructive. One quick example, the Packers this year. The way they blew that playoff game was worse than the Browns "the drive" or "the fumble" but I just don't seem them wallowing in self pity for decades over it or speaking some nonsense of being cursed but just reloading and going forward. The past is over. The only thing to do with the past is learn from your mistakes going forward. I want to see the Browns identify past mistakes and stop repeating them. The first thing that comes to mind is continuity. Constantly tearing down a foundation being built. Put good people in place and give them some time. We have a good HC by all accounts. Give him some time.
The only thing to do with the past is learn from your mistakes going forward. I want to see the Browns identify past mistakes and stop repeating them. The first thing that comes to mind is continuity. Constantly tearing down a foundation being built. Put good people in place and give them some time. We have a good HC by all accounts. Give him some time.
Bingo, right there.
Do NOT trade away draft picks. We have 3 of the top 43 picks, use them on players who can jump right in and contribute now. All these trades and reaching for talent has killed any chance of progress around here. It hasn't worked.
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Haven't been around for a while. Been taking a much needed hiatus from this shit show of an organization. It's been refreshing.
I was born and raised a Browns fan. I live in Columbus surrounded by Bengals and Steeler fans, but I have never once even considered giving up my beloved Browns....until now. We've gone into many an off season since the return with not much hope for the next year, but, IMO, it's never been this bad. And that says a lot. This team has been a laughing stock over the past 15 seasons, but at least it was in our own little cocoon world. The moment we drafted Johnny, we put ourselves into the national spotlight, and ended up looking like fools. I cannot and will not support that stupidity. Drafting Johnny was plain stupid for this organization. We were not even remotely prepared for any of the chaos that came with him. This kid managed to embarrass the Browns. Let that sink in for a moment. We needed no help in being an embarrassment, but we sure got some. We went from being an afterthought embarrassment around the league, to a very public joke on a national level. Thing is, I can't blame Johnny for that. Whoever thought drafting him was a good idea is to blame. Farmer or Haslam. That's what gives me little inclination to continue supporting this organization. Separate from the FO, I love the team and coaching staff. Very tricky issue for me right now.
What I do know is that if the FO decides to compound the issue by handing Johnny the starting gig next season, I won't be watching. It's just another train wreck waiting to happen. I can't do it. I have no faith in the kid. He hasn't given me any reason at all to have any faith. He's done not one thing to prove me wrong about him. Not one. I hope his rehab was his decision and not a PR move from his agent, but I have serious doubts. As a human being, I hope the kid finds his way. I even have sympathy for him to an extent. I think there might be a bit of him losing some of the love of the game that came with all the hype. I also feel like if that's the case, the best thing for him would be to take a step back, get away from the spotlight for a while and concentrate on rebuilding that love of the game. I'm just not sure his "people" will allow that to happen. He's become a brand instead of a person to them. But before he can even start that process, he has to battle the addiction and immaturity issues.
For me, even if he does everything right, and works his tail off, gets his addictions under control, and loses the hype of Johnny Football, I'm still not convinced he's an NFL QB. Just feel like the mountain he has to climb is too steep and my patience has worn too thin. Another point to consider is that if all that happens and he becomes a mega star again, will he be able to control those same demons that has landed him here? I feel for the kid, but the Browns had no business drafting him into an organization with tenuous stability. That's no place for a kid like him to be successful. He should never have been drafted as someone's savior. A kid who most likely never held a job in his life was expected to take on probably the hardest job that exists for a pro athlete. Bad idea.
Haven't been around for a while. Been taking a much needed hiatus from this shit show of an organization. It's been refreshing.
I was born and raised a Browns fan. I live in Columbus surrounded by Bengals and Steeler fans, but I have never once even considered giving up my beloved Browns....until now. We've gone into many an off season since the return with not much hope for the next year, but, IMO, it's never been this bad. And that says a lot. This team has been a laughing stock over the past 15 seasons, but at least it was in our own little cocoon world. The moment we drafted Johnny, we put ourselves into the national spotlight, and ended up looking like fools. I cannot and will not support that stupidity. Drafting Johnny was plain stupid for this organization. We were not even remotely prepared for any of the chaos that came with him. This kid managed to embarrass the Browns. Let that sink in for a moment. We needed no help in being an embarrassment, but we sure got some. We went from being an afterthought embarrassment around the league, to a very public joke on a national level. Thing is, I can't blame Johnny for that. Whoever thought drafting him was a good idea is to blame. Farmer or Haslam. That's what gives me little inclination to continue supporting this organization. Separate from the FO, I love the team and coaching staff. Very tricky issue for me right now.
What I do know is that if the FO decides to compound the issue by handing Johnny the starting gig next season, I won't be watching. It's just another train wreck waiting to happen. I can't do it. I have no faith in the kid. He hasn't given me any reason at all to have any faith. He's done not one thing to prove me wrong about him. Not one. I hope his rehab was his decision and not a PR move from his agent, but I have serious doubts. As a human being, I hope the kid finds his way. I even have sympathy for him to an extent. I think there might be a bit of him losing some of the love of the game that came with all the hype. I also feel like if that's the case, the best thing for him would be to take a step back, get away from the spotlight for a while and concentrate on rebuilding that love of the game. I'm just not sure his "people" will allow that to happen. He's become a brand instead of a person to them. But before he can even start that process, he has to battle the addiction and immaturity issues.
For me, even if he does everything right, and works his tail off, gets his addictions under control, and loses the hype of Johnny Football, I'm still not convinced he's an NFL QB. Just feel like the mountain he has to climb is too steep and my patience has worn too thin. Another point to consider is that if all that happens and he becomes a mega star again, will he be able to control those same demons that has landed him here? I feel for the kid, but the Browns had no business drafting him into an organization with tenuous stability. That's no place for a kid like him to be successful. He should never have been drafted as someone's savior. A kid who most likely never held a job in his life was expected to take on probably the hardest job that exists for a pro athlete. Bad idea.
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The only thing to do with the past is learn from your mistakes going forward. I want to see the Browns identify past mistakes and stop repeating them. The first thing that comes to mind is continuity. Constantly tearing down a foundation being built. Put good people in place and give them some time. We have a good HC by all accounts. Give him some time.
Bingo, right there.
Do NOT trade away draft picks. We have 3 of the top 43 picks, use them on players who can jump right in and contribute now. All these trades and reaching for talent has killed any chance of progress around here. It hasn't worked.
Bingo, right there.
Do NOT trade away draft picks. We have 3 of the top 43 picks, use them on players who can jump right in and contribute now. All these trades and reaching for talent has killed any chance of progress around here. It hasn't worked.
The Browns with some help up front on defense to stop the run game should have a real good defensive unit.
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I have to agree with Cysco! Enough already! When you start reflecting on the good old days with Art Modell it's time to move on. Fifty years of hoping and dreaming of next year while franchise teams with little or no history, draft better, play better and hire better front office and coaches. As a fan from the sixties I feel like I've been held hostage for decades. Let Haslam and his "boys" run this sinking ship on their own.
And one last thing; why does Haslam want to move training camp to Columbus? I smell a rat!
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As long as I see a commitment to winning I will support this team. I personally believe Pettine is the best coach this team has hired since coming back in the league in 99. First year under Pettine the team exceeds expectations. I want to see how he does in year 2 and year 3.
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Take a look at where I live. If I can remain a Browns fan, so can you!
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At least we can look forward to them putting a stupid fucking dog on the helmet.
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At least we can look forward to them putting a stupid fucking dog on the helmet.
At least we can look forward to them putting a stupid fucking dog on the helmet.
Nothing on the helmets, apparently.
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Att.: Cysco, Have a Snicker's and snap out of it or Snap into a Slim Jim. We our not Jax.,Tenn. or Oak. Hoyer never had Josh and Mack on the field together for almost 2 Years. FA's and Draft if solely left up to Farmer and Coaches will dictate the Depth and Holes to be filled. We will Franchise tag Rubin or Sheard, and Gibson is a must sign and not walking. Hoyer may or may not be the answer for now, but at this point he may find out if some team will pay him as a Starter. Not in C-town he barely beat out one Johnny Football. We all know our needs and with Leader's like Joe Thomas we compete our ass off in every game. Good things happen to those who wait, Believe LAND...
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends Team Brotherhood-"It's not about You,Me or I. It's about building We"..Hue Jackson -
"We will Franchise tag Rubin or Sheard"
Zero chance on either of those IMO. Rubinwas wildly overpaid for his production last year and would require a significant bump. Sheard is *fine* but would command top 5 OLB money, and he's not worth close to that. 2 sacks?
I'd be surprised if we franchise anyone this year.
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Att.: Cysco, Have a Snicker's and snap out of it or Snap into a Slim Jim. We our not Jax.,Tenn. or Oak. Hoyer never had Josh and Mack on the field together for almost 2 Years. FA's and Draft if solely left up to Farmer and Coaches will dictate the Depth and Holes to be filled. We will Franchise tag Rubin or Sheard, and Gibson is a must sign and not walking. Hoyer may or may not be the answer for now, but at this point he may find out if some team will pay him as a Starter. Not in C-town he barely beat out one Johnny Football. We all know our needs and with Leader's like Joe Thomas we compete our ass off in every game. Good things happen to those who wait, Believe LAND...
Att.: Cysco, Have a Snicker's and snap out of it or Snap into a Slim Jim. We our not Jax.,Tenn. or Oak. Hoyer never had Josh and Mack on the field together for almost 2 Years. FA's and Draft if solely left up to Farmer and Coaches will dictate the Depth and Holes to be filled. We will Franchise tag Rubin or Sheard, and Gibson is a must sign and not walking. Hoyer may or may not be the answer for now, but at this point he may find out if some team will pay him as a Starter. Not in C-town he barely beat out one Johnny Football. We all know our needs and with Leader's like Joe Thomas we compete our ass off in every game. Good things happen to those who wait, Believe LAND...
This is why you shouldn't do drugs.
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Att.: Cysco, Have a Snicker's and snap out of it or Snap into a Slim Jim. We our not Jax.,Tenn. or Oak. Hoyer never had Josh and Mack on the field together for almost 2 Years. FA's and Draft if solely left up to Farmer and Coaches will dictate the Depth and Holes to be filled. We will Franchise tag Rubin or Sheard, and Gibson is a must sign and not walking. Hoyer may or may not be the answer for now, but at this point he may find out if some team will pay him as a Starter. Not in C-town he barely beat out one Johnny Football. We all know our needs and with Leader's like Joe Thomas we compete our ass off in every game. Good things happen to those who wait, Believe LAND...
This is why you shouldn't do drugs.
This is why you shouldn't do drugs.
And what is your solution?
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Att.: Cysco, Have a Snicker's and snap out of it or Snap into a Slim Jim. We our not Jax.,Tenn. or Oak. Hoyer never had Josh and Mack on the field together for almost 2 Years. FA's and Draft if solely left up to Farmer and Coaches will dictate the Depth and Holes to be filled. We will Franchise tag Rubin or Sheard, and Gibson is a must sign and not walking. Hoyer may or may not be the answer for now, but at this point he may find out if some team will pay him as a Starter. Not in C-town he barely beat out one Johnny Football. We all know our needs and with Leader's like Joe Thomas we compete our ass off in every game. Good things happen to those who wait, Believe LAND...
This is why you shouldn't do drugs.
This is why you shouldn't do drugs.
Aw c'mon, VT... the Snickers/SlimJim bit was good...
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Some of you act as if your first born child is addicted to heroin or that your wife has been fucking the neighbor's son for two years. This is just football. I know it is easy to latch on to it as if it's the most important thing in our lives, but it isn't, not even close.
Just hang on for the ride, there are so many unknown variables. To try and judge how the Browns will look in February is a fool's errand. We should count ourselves lucky if a mediocre football teams is the biggest source of conflict in our life. -
This is why you shouldn't do drugs.
And what is your solution?
And what is your solution?
Tolerate the shitshow that will be the 2015 season and hope we finally get the QB position right in 2016, which has a deep QB class.
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How the season goes in 2015 is up in the air with the decisions that are going to be made going into the season. If they go with starting JM I can't see it going well. I believe the team has enough talent with a veteran QB or Hoyer they can compete. 2016 is probably the year to go after the right QB.
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