Josh McCown let go by the Bucs
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It's all about accuracy and giving your receiver a chance to catch the ball at your own 20, or in the red zone. That's the biggest problem with both. Josh bigger gun, no touch on pass in a window VS Hoyer smaller gun than Josh allows Hoyer to SOMEtimes put it in a window. Compare TD's and Int's to a legit NFL starter there completion percentage has got to be over 60% or your not fixing anything.. I am sold on moving away from both and wish them well...
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If it is Shaw vs. Mccown as Manziel's competition I'll take Josh
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Well this pretty much locks up Winston at TB. Home state guy.
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McClown as we called him, played behind one of the worst OLs in history in 2014 and he nor Glennon are starters. Trust me, I'm a Bucs fan first, Browns fan second.. I root for the Browns every week unless they play the Bucs. So, I saw every wretched Bucs game last yr.. We were going to petition the Glazers to bring back the blackouts..facepalm.gif
Neither is a starter and it's rumored here that Glennon is trade bait . The Browns OL is much better than the Bucs so either might be serviceable but neither is the answer..
Yeah, Releasing McDilfer certainly does indicate the Bucs are going with Mariotta or Winston with the #1.. I'm not thrilled by either
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Pretty sure we had the same nickname for Luke.
Which raises the question: Would a brother add another name to "the jersey"?
No one thinks Josh McCown is the answer... just looking for "the bridge".
"Has anybody seen the bridge?"
"Where's that confounded bridge!"
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Tampa bay was supposed to be good last year and he only won 2 games. I'll say his odds of playing in an NFL game in the future are slim.
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Tampa bay was supposed to be good last year and he only won 2 games. I'll say his odds of playing in an NFL game in the future are slim.
Tampa bay was supposed to be good last year and he only won 2 games. I'll say his odds of playing in an NFL game in the future are slim.
he'll play again, no doubt in my mind. whether he's named a starter somewhere is a different story.
they say the browns are dysfunctional? what about tampa bay? holy shit after winning a super bowl they've been nothing but embarrassing.
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Look who may be coming to dinner...
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2015/02/josh_mccown_draws_interest_fro.html
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Pretty sure we had the same nickname for Luke.
Which raises the question: Would a brother add another name to "the jersey"?
No one thinks Josh McCown is the answer... just looking for "the bridge".
"Has anybody seen the bridge?"
"Where's that confounded bridge!"
No one thinks Josh McCown is the answer... just looking for "the bridge".
Bridge QB? Bridge to what exactly??
I am not excited at all to watch this team in 2015 if we're putting McCown on the field. I guess we could just tank and hope to get our QB next year if that's the case... But then again, I'm sure nobody would be sold on any QBs coming out next year either...
What a waste this would be...
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No one thinks Josh McCown is the answer... just looking for "the bridge".
Bridge QB? Bridge to what exactly??
I am not excited at all to watch this team in 2015 if we're putting McCown on the field. I guess we could just tank and hope to get our QB next year if that's the case... But then again, I'm sure nobody would be sold on any QBs coming out next year either...
What a waste this would be...
Bridge QB? Bridge to what exactly??
I am not excited at all to watch this team in 2015 if we're putting McCown on the field. I guess we could just tank and hope to get our QB next year if that's the case... But then again, I'm sure nobody would be sold on any QBs coming out next year either...
What a waste this would be...
Bridge to Teribithia.
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Give me Mike Glennon or Sam Bradford instead.
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For starters, I am assuming Hoyer is gone. I just don't see him back. But were I to have to choose between the two...
Maybe all would add up to too much to give up, but hard to say since I have no idea what "comfortability" is (and neither does ieSpell). I assume the knowledge is playbook plus player, but both will be in some flux. Mental acuity? Again perhaps, but BH's head went somewhere the 2nd half of the season and took his acuity with it.
On the other side I think McCown's arm is a good bit stronger. I simply think he was asked to do too much in TB last year. In 2013 Trestman found McCown's groove. I think it's still there.
So early 2014 Hoyer vs. 2013 McCown? Close call, but I am inclined to lean towards Josh.
I'm assuming that neither are current members of the Browns. However, they both want starter money and a starter opportunity. Neither are really going to find it. So, for all intents and purposes, I believe they are on a level playing field as far contracts and opportunities go. Now we're just looking at two possible Free Agent signings.
Hoyer is comfortable with the players, the playbook, the coaching staff, the city and the fans. He has route timing and spacing down, he knows the individual tendencies of his receivers, his internal clock is more fine-tuned because he knows the strengths and limitations of his linemen, he's accustomed to the way the wind shifts and changes inside the stadium, etc. Individually, not much. Together, those are the variables that can be the difference between a win and a loss.
McCown won't have Jeffery, Marshall and Forte in Cleveland. He won't have two 6'4"receivers, each getting 1,300+ yards, that physically outmatch nearly every corner in the league.
Comparing best performances is always a scary task, just as comparing worst performances. If anything, I'd take it down to averages and then extrapolate over one full 16 game season.
Taking stats from Hoyer's 17 starts, dividing them by 17, then multiplying by 16 to extrapolate one full average season, you get:
334 completions | 592 attempts | 56.4% | 4,288 yards | 17 TD | 17 Int
Same process for McCown's 49 starts gives you:
314 completions | 544 attempts | 57.7% | 3,600 yards | 20 TD | 19 Int
Assuming an average performance, they are both very similar. Personally, I'd rather take the younger guy who's had one full year's worth of experience in Cleveland. He's at least starting out less behind the ball than McCown would be. While McCown would have to devote some time to learning the playbook, developing a rapport and learning his receivers, Hoyer could devote that team to perfecting the knowledge he does have.
I'm assuming that neither are current members of the Browns. However, they both want starter money and a starter opportunity. Neither are really going to find it. So, for all intents and purposes, I believe they are on a level playing field as far contracts and opportunities go. Now we're just looking at two possible Free Agent signings.
Hoyer is comfortable with the players, the playbook, the coaching staff, the city and the fans. He has route timing and spacing down, he knows the individual tendencies of his receivers, his internal clock is more fine-tuned because he knows the strengths and limitations of his linemen, he's accustomed to the way the wind shifts and changes inside the stadium, etc. Individually, not much. Together, those are the variables that can be the difference between a win and a loss.
McCown won't have Jeffery, Marshall and Forte in Cleveland. He won't have two 6'4"receivers, each getting 1,300+ yards, that physically outmatch nearly every corner in the league.
Comparing best performances is always a scary task, just as comparing worst performances. If anything, I'd take it down to averages and then extrapolate over one full 16 game season.
Taking stats from Hoyer's 17 starts, dividing them by 17, then multiplying by 16 to extrapolate one full average season, you get:
334 completions | 592 attempts | 56.4% | 4,288 yards | 17 TD | 17 Int
Same process for McCown's 49 starts gives you:
314 completions | 544 attempts | 57.7% | 3,600 yards | 20 TD | 19 Int
Assuming an average performance, they are both very similar. Personally, I'd rather take the younger guy who's had one full year's worth of experience in Cleveland. He's at least starting out less behind the ball than McCown would be. While McCown would have to devote some time to learning the playbook, developing a rapport and learning his receivers, Hoyer could devote that team to perfecting the knowledge he does have.
we don't have any receivers that scare a little league football team...that's why all this crap about hoyer lost his head the 2nd half of the yr is just that ...crap...when we had mack still in there, hoyer was at his best with mediocre recievers...we had a decent running game with mediocre backs...once mack went down and jackass gordon was installed in the lineup, yeah we went downhill. all these analysts where all up in the air commenting about when gordon comes back, this browns team will elevate...yeah they elevated all right. i honestly thought it might be true also until i saw the lazy bum play...
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Look who may be coming to dinner...
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2015/02/josh_mccown_draws_interest_fro.html
Look who may be coming to dinner...
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2015/02/josh_mccown_draws_interest_fro.html
Please show him the OL stats from the Jacksonville game and send him Packing, of course after a good dinner..
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Well this is interesting:
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Pettine going to the treatment center to talk with JM was a class thing to do by a class coach.
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bridge of sighs (but who really knows?).
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