Eagles Turned Down Foles-Gordon Trade in 2013
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Perhaps the eagles would be best suited offering Foles a 5 year deal that they (and only they) can void at any time after one year, then offer him in trade bait?
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Perhaps the eagles would be best suited offering Foles a 5 year deal that they (and only they) can void at any time after one year, then offer him in trade bait?
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I don't really want Foles. Chip can make any QB work.
I don't really want Foles. Chip can make any QB work.
well, in the NFL that hasn't been proven yet.
sanchez took the jets to the playoffs (or was that their guru QB genius rex ryan, their stellar OL and great defense?) before he shit the hat the next year.
goes to philly and looks great for a half season and then what?
chip don't have that much dip.
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I don't really want Foles. Chip can make any QB work.
well, in the NFL that hasn't been proven yet.
sanchez took the jets to the playoffs (or was that their guru QB genius rex ryan, their stellar OL and great defense?) before he shit the hat the next year.
goes to philly and looks great for a half season and then what?
chip don't have that much dip.
well, in the NFL that hasn't been proven yet.
sanchez took the jets to the playoffs (or was that their guru QB genius rex ryan, their stellar OL and great defense?) before he shit the hat the next year.
goes to philly and looks great for a half season and then what?
chip don't have that much dip.
268 yards per game. 64% completion percentage. 88.4 rating. 7.8 yards per attempt. 4.5% TD percentage.
All career highs...all came last year.
Sanchez threw more TD's in 8 games last year than he did in both 2009 and 2012...and he played 15 games in both of those seasons. His rating last season was 10 points higher than any season in New York. He threw, on average, 50 yards more per game than he ever did in New York.
I'd say that, at the current point in time, it's empirically proven than Chip Kelly has gotten the most out of his QB's.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
well, in the NFL that hasn't been proven yet.
sanchez took the jets to the playoffs (or was that their guru QB genius rex ryan, their stellar OL and great defense?) before he shit the hat the next year.
goes to philly and looks great for a half season and then what?
chip don't have that much dip.
268 yards per game. 64% completion percentage. 88.4 rating. 7.8 yards per attempt. 4.5% TD percentage.
All career highs...all came last year.
Sanchez threw more TD's in 8 games last year than he did in both 2009 and 2012...and he played 15 games in both of those seasons. His rating last season was 10 points higher than any season in New York. He threw, on average, 50 yards more per game than he ever did in New York.
I'd say that, at the current point in time, it's empirically proven than Chip Kelly has gotten the most out of his QB's.
268 yards per game. 64% completion percentage. 88.4 rating. 7.8 yards per attempt. 4.5% TD percentage.
All career highs...all came last year.
Sanchez threw more TD's in 8 games last year than he did in both 2009 and 2012...and he played 15 games in both of those seasons. His rating last season was 10 points higher than any season in New York. He threw, on average, 50 yards more per game than he ever did in New York.
I'd say that, at the current point in time, it's empirically proven than Chip Kelly has gotten the most out of his QB's.
so why not stick with sanchez?
chip kelly QB guru (in your opinion) all of a sudden NEEDS mariota? is he the GM?
letting coaches lead your team being the scout and the big honcho MFer has proven itself more often than not a quick exit stage left in the NFL.
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268 yards per game. 64% completion percentage. 88.4 rating. 7.8 yards per attempt. 4.5% TD percentage.
All career highs...all came last year.
Sanchez threw more TD's in 8 games last year than he did in both 2009 and 2012...and he played 15 games in both of those seasons. His rating last season was 10 points higher than any season in New York. He threw, on average, 50 yards more per game than he ever did in New York.
I'd say that, at the current point in time, it's empirically proven than Chip Kelly has gotten the most out of his QB's.
so why not stick with sanchez?
chip kelly QB guru (in your opinion) all of a sudden NEEDS mariota? is he the GM?
letting coaches lead your team being the scout and the big honcho MFer has proven itself more often than not a quick exit stage left in the NFL.
so why not stick with sanchez?
chip kelly QB guru (in your opinion) all of a sudden NEEDS mariota? is he the GM?
letting coaches lead your team being the scout and the big honcho MFer has proven itself more often than not a quick exit stage left in the NFL.
Well, if I were a relatively new head coach, I'd probably want the most talented guy I ever recruited or coached to come lead my NFL team. Kelly said Mariota was his essentially his perfect QB.
"He's a special player, and he's just got a gift for playing football. He's everything you want. He can throw the ball, he can run. He's the most talented kid I coached in college."
There's no doubt that part of the Eagles' success can be attributed to the system and methods Kelly has brought to Philadelphia. As a whole, that team is in better physical shape than nearly every other NFL team, which is really saying something given how these guys are essentially all peak athletes. Without Mariota, I don't doubt the Eagles can rattle off a string of 8-10 win seasons. However, with Mariota (who is the quintessential quarterback for that system and already well-versed in it) there's a chance the Eagles win 12 or more games next season.
This may sound like a ringing endorsement for Mariota, but it is not. Half of a quarterback (or team's) success can be attributed to being in the right offensive system to maximize those talents. Cam Newton wouldn't excel in Denver if forced to play the way Peyton does just as Peyton wouldn't excel in Carolina if forced to play how Cam does. Trying to make a QB something he's not is a recipe for disaster. Look at Kaepernick this season.
Mariota could come to Cleveland, and he might be okay. But his absolute perfect scenario is Philly. Philly could keep Foles and they'd probably do okay. But their ultimate perfect scenario is landing Mariota. That's when system and talent merge.
You might win a couple races in a souped-up Honda Civic. But you'll probably win a lot more in a Ferrari.
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well, in the NFL that hasn't been proven yet.
sanchez took the jets to the playoffs (or was that their guru QB genius rex ryan, their stellar OL and great defense?) before he shit the hat the next year.
goes to philly and looks great for a half season and then what?
chip don't have that much dip.
268 yards per game. 64% completion percentage. 88.4 rating. 7.8 yards per attempt. 4.5% TD percentage.
All career highs...all came last year.
Sanchez threw more TD's in 8 games last year than he did in both 2009 and 2012...and he played 15 games in both of those seasons. His rating last season was 10 points higher than any season in New York. He threw, on average, 50 yards more per game than he ever did in New York.
I'd say that, at the current point in time, it's empirically proven than Chip Kelly has gotten the most out of his QB's.
This...
I'd say that, at the current point in time, it's empirically proven than Chip Kelly has gotten the most out of his QB's.
...is not the same as this...
Chip can make any QB work.
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so why not stick with sanchez?
chip kelly QB guru (in your opinion) all of a sudden NEEDS mariota? is he the GM?
letting coaches lead your team being the scout and the big honcho MFer has proven itself more often than not a quick exit stage left in the NFL.
Well, if I were a relatively new head coach, I'd probably want the most talented guy I ever recruited or coached to come lead my NFL team. Kelly said Mariota was his essentially his perfect QB.
"He's a special player, and he's just got a gift for playing football. He's everything you want. He can throw the ball, he can run. He's the most talented kid I coached in college."
There's no doubt that part of the Eagles' success can be attributed to the system and methods Kelly has brought to Philadelphia. As a whole, that team is in better physical shape than nearly every other NFL team, which is really saying something given how these guys are essentially all peak athletes. Without Mariota, I don't doubt the Eagles can rattle off a string of 8-10 win seasons. However, with Mariota (who is the quintessential quarterback for that system and already well-versed in it) there's a chance the Eagles win 12 or more games next season.
This may sound like a ringing endorsement for Mariota, but it is not. Half of a quarterback (or team's) success can be attributed to being in the right offensive system to maximize those talents. Cam Newton wouldn't excel in Denver if forced to play the way Peyton does just as Peyton wouldn't excel in Carolina if forced to play how Cam does. Trying to make a QB something he's not is a recipe for disaster. Look at Kaepernick this season.
Mariota could come to Cleveland, and he might be okay. But his absolute perfect scenario is Philly. Philly could keep Foles and they'd probably do okay. But their ultimate perfect scenario is landing Mariota. That's when system and talent merge.
You might win a couple races in a souped-up Honda Civic. But you'll probably win a lot more in a Ferrari.
I always enjoy reading your take but that last paragraph is a bad analogy. I'd say it's more like a stock car, lemans and a rail dragster. All at the top of their field of course and that's an assumption. Each will excel in their own type of race and fail at the others.Well, if I were a relatively new head coach, I'd probably want the most talented guy I ever recruited or coached to come lead my NFL team. Kelly said Mariota was his essentially his perfect QB.
There's no doubt that part of the Eagles' success can be attributed to the system and methods Kelly has brought to Philadelphia. As a whole, that team is in better physical shape than nearly every other NFL team, which is really saying something given how these guys are essentially all peak athletes. Without Mariota, I don't doubt the Eagles can rattle off a string of 8-10 win seasons. However, with Mariota (who is the quintessential quarterback for that system and already well-versed in it) there's a chance the Eagles win 12 or more games next season.
This may sound like a ringing endorsement for Mariota, but it is not. Half of a quarterback (or team's) success can be attributed to being in the right offensive system to maximize those talents. Cam Newton wouldn't excel in Denver if forced to play the way Peyton does just as Peyton wouldn't excel in Carolina if forced to play how Cam does. Trying to make a QB something he's not is a recipe for disaster. Look at Kaepernick this season.
Mariota could come to Cleveland, and he might be okay. But his absolute perfect scenario is Philly. Philly could keep Foles and they'd probably do okay. But their ultimate perfect scenario is landing Mariota. That's when system and talent merge.
You might win a couple races in a souped-up Honda Civic. But you'll probably win a lot more in a Ferrari.
But yes indeed if a team has three pretty good quarterbacks with different skill sets I believe its a stupid plan. Pick your system and try to get three guys who are comfortable running it.
WSS
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I always enjoy reading your take but that last paragraph is a bad analogy. I'd say it's more like a stock car, lemans and a rail dragster. All at the top of their field of course and that's an assumption. Each will excel in their own type of race and fail at the others.Well, if I were a relatively new head coach, I'd probably want the most talented guy I ever recruited or coached to come lead my NFL team. Kelly said Mariota was his essentially his perfect QB.
There's no doubt that part of the Eagles' success can be attributed to the system and methods Kelly has brought to Philadelphia. As a whole, that team is in better physical shape than nearly every other NFL team, which is really saying something given how these guys are essentially all peak athletes. Without Mariota, I don't doubt the Eagles can rattle off a string of 8-10 win seasons. However, with Mariota (who is the quintessential quarterback for that system and already well-versed in it) there's a chance the Eagles win 12 or more games next season.
This may sound like a ringing endorsement for Mariota, but it is not. Half of a quarterback (or team's) success can be attributed to being in the right offensive system to maximize those talents. Cam Newton wouldn't excel in Denver if forced to play the way Peyton does just as Peyton wouldn't excel in Carolina if forced to play how Cam does. Trying to make a QB something he's not is a recipe for disaster. Look at Kaepernick this season.
Mariota could come to Cleveland, and he might be okay. But his absolute perfect scenario is Philly. Philly could keep Foles and they'd probably do okay. But their ultimate perfect scenario is landing Mariota. That's when system and talent merge.
You might win a couple races in a souped-up Honda Civic. But you'll probably win a lot more in a Ferrari.
But yes indeed if a team has three pretty good quarterbacks with different skill sets I believe its a stupid plan. Pick your system and try to get three guys who are comfortable running it.
WSS
I always enjoy reading your take but that last paragraph is a bad analogy. I'd say it's more like a stock car, lemans and a rail dragster. All at the top of their field of course and that's an assumption. Each will excel in their own type of race and fail at the others.
But yes indeed if a team has three pretty good quarterbacks with different skill sets I believe its a stupid plan. Pick your system and try to get three guys who are comfortable running it.
WSS
I was looking at it like Sanchez is a souped up Civic and Mariota as a stock Ferrari, in that you could probably hit the ground running with a stock Ferrari and do well in most cases whereas you'd have to put the work in with the Civic getting it ready and, even then, there's a limit to what you can win.
Very basic, on my part, I just couldn't think of another way to put it.
"Mariota is a plug-and-play in Philly. Sanchez is not, and probably has a ceiling." is what I should have said.
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