Quinn and Rogers to Denver?
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He has been playing with no Deffense, no special teams, 8 different runningbacks, and the running back that managed to last the longest was hocking cellphones in a mall at the beginning of the season. His best wide reciever had a major case of the drops all season, his #2 target was a rookie signed mostly for returns, his favorite target (TE) was injured for a good portion of the season, and he still managed to piece together 8 wins and put the team in position to go to the playoffs all the way up to the last game (ok, the 3 game slide was vomit inducing, but we were still there til the end).
Doesn't matter. Cutler would get booed. In Cleveland the only valid excuse for poor play is being Brady Quinn.
Doesn't matter. Cutler would get booed. In Cleveland the only valid excuse for poor play is being Brady Quinn.
Just from someone who throws 4 picks and a playoff game away.
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He has been playing with no Deffense, no special teams, 8 different runningbacks, and the running back that managed to last the longest was hocking cellphones in a mall at the beginning of the season. His best wide reciever had a major case of the drops all season, his #2 target was a rookie signed mostly for returns, his favorite target (TE) was injured for a good portion of the season, and he still managed to piece together 8 wins and put the team in position to go to the playoffs all the way up to the last game (ok, the 3 game slide was vomit inducing, but we were still there til the end).
Doesn't matter. Cutler would get booed. In Cleveland the only valid excuse for poor play is being Brady Quinn.
Doesn't matter. Cutler would get booed. In Cleveland the only valid excuse for poor play is being Brady Quinn.
Shop your DA man-love somewhere else, I ain't buying you disgusting little troll, and if God hates me and Anderson ends with the Broncos, stay off Orangemane.com. We have enough Retards already, we don't need more.
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Doesn't matter. Cutler would get booed. In Cleveland the only valid excuse for poor play is being Brady Quinn.
Shop your DA man-love somewhere else, I ain't buying you disgusting little troll, and if God hates me and Anderson ends with the Broncos, stay off Orangemane.com. We have enough Retards already, we don't need more.
Shop your DA man-love somewhere else, I ain't buying you disgusting little troll, and if God hates me and Anderson ends with the Broncos, stay off Orangemane.com. We have enough Retards already, we don't need more.
Thats what you get for letting John Elways seed into the gene pool
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Chickenwang said:
Just from someone who throws 4 picks and a playoff game away.LOL
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Shop your DA man-love somewhere else, I ain't buying you disgusting little troll, and if God hates me and Anderson ends with the Broncos, stay off Orangemane.com. We have enough Retards already, we don't need more.
Thats what you get for letting John Elways seed into the gene pool
.AdaM said:
Thats what you get for letting John Elways seed into the gene pool.He is an asshole, but was one hell of a QB, love the Bronco, hate the Car salesman. I lived in Baltimore during the whole Colts/Broncos/Elway trade fiasco. To this day I think if Elway had sucked it up and played in Baltimore, Ursay doesn't moves the Colts. I had 50 yard line tickets close enough to wipe the sweat off the cheerleaders. 2 superbowls vs. a lot of teenage fantasies. I always get a little bittersweet about this topic.
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If a trade like this did happen you would see DA traded away faster than you would see now. It is a foolish thing to say this is Lums wet dream. How could it be his wet dream to trade for a QB that no matter what he does in preseason DA will not start. If you do a trade like this it is for a starting QB without question. No way does Denver do this trade for DA and Rogers, for one that would just make BQ the permanant back up or more likely traded to another team and Denver would want a QB to manage a game and even Lum would admit BQ can manage a game better than DA.
If I was the Browns I would do the trade in a second. Young starter with not alot of question marks for a upset DL and a QB with potential but lots of questions. Plus if you could pick up a third round pick and then trade DA for a 3rd and 5th you are stock piling allot of picks. Makes allot of sense really, for the Browns.
The one thing you would loss is the honeymoon period that the Browns fans WILL give the team if they start BQ. Will be at least a year maybe two before the Browns demand excellance.
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I have a stronger arm than John Elway, hands down. I'll bet on it against anybody's in the league.
There's going to be a lot of problems if they try to trade me.
Obviously, Josh and I's relationship has taken a few steps backward. I don't play for the coaches anyway, I play for teammates.
Another media-whore, expressing all of his feelings to the media every single day, every time something doesn't go his way.
I would be absolutely SHOCKED if Mangina wanted this 'mouth' on his team.
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This rumor was actually started by Mike Florio of PFT.
Cutler Could Intrigue Cleveland
Tuesday, March 03, 2009
Posted By Mike Florio 1:01 AM
Earlier on Monday, a league source advised us that the new regime in Cleveland - known lovingly in league circles as "ManKok" - would likely be interested in Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler as an alternative to Derek Anderson and/or Brady Quinn.
And there are indeed as of this posting an old-fashioned, unsubstantiated, poo-on-the-wall "Internet rumor" regarding a deal that would send Brady Quinn and Shaun Rogers to the Broncos for Cutler and a third-round pick.
To be crystal clear, we are not reporting that a trade is or could be happening. In fact, given the top-secret manner in which the Browns handled the Kellen Winslow trade, we're confident that word of such a transaction would not leak. Our contribution to this one is only that it's believed that coach Eric Mangini and G.M. George Kokinis would be interested in Cutler.
(That said, you can bet that there will be plenty of people who come away from this one thinking that we're reporting that the deal is already done.)
Much more would have to be determined, such as whether the Broncos would be interested in Quinn, who played college football at Notre Dame for Charlie Weis, who proceeded Denver coach Josh McDaniels as New England offensive coordinator and likely mentored him.
Still, we're willing to put this one in the "possibility" category.
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This all still smells like a smoke screen to make other teams think the Browns are considering sticking with DA.
Yeah everything we hear is just smoke screen...
It's like the report that Mangini doesn't like what he sees in Quinn. That was a total smokescreen too right?
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Yup, totally.
Funny, most of the fans really thought Quinn had potential to be a great player, and a great command of the huddle. I would be a bit surprised if Mangina saw none of that, and then watched footage of DA, right afterwards, and could honestly say he wasn't impressed by Quinn at all.
Mangina isn't an idiot, and wants to run an offense that fits Quinn's abilities. It's a smokescreen, IMO.
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Culter’s scouting report coming out of Vanderbilt:
“Big arm……lack of vision, mobility, poise, presence………prone to throwing picks"
Oh wait, we have one of those types. The Big Scapoose.
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Boy, Quinn & Fat-Infant for Cutler??? Where do I sign?? This has to be false, because it's way too good to be true.
Boy, Quinn & Fat-Infant for Cutler??? Where do I sign?? This has to be false, because it's way too good to be true.
Personally...I think this trade sucks.
We get a QB with a history of whining...and open up a hole on our already porous DL.
It really makes very little sense for this team to do it. It would then almost necessitate we trade DA as well due to the salary cap...and therefore we would get nothing in return.
I for one would not do it...nor would I do DA and Big Baby for Cutler.
QB is the one of the few areas I "WOULD NOT" be trading for.
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Cutler on tons of radar today:
Cutler a fit for the Bears from Chicago Tribune
Jets can't afford to pass on Cutler from NY Daily News
Bucs to consider Cutler from the Tampa Bay OnLine
Lions from Bleacher Report
and then,
Carmelo to Cutler: Cool it, it's just business
Melo is right. Cutler sounds like Jeff friggin' Garcia to me. Didn't we just get rid of a drama queen?
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@shepwrite said:
It's a dreadful trade. Quinn could easily be much better than Cutler over the long haul and Rogers is worth a slot that would get us B.J. Raji, which is Top 10.Here is my point...
Haynesworth just signed a contract for QB money. I am not sure that Big Baby is more than a step behind him in value. So, with that said Big Baby is worth a top 10 pick like you said.
Then you are talking about Quinn for a 2nd or 3rd rounder...and he is about to enter into a system that rumor has it is set up for a QB just like him...and he is exactly the kind of cerebral player that Mangini supposedly likes...and a team player.
What it all comes down to is this...why create more drama?
If you want to trade DA or BQ...fine...just not for a whiney QB from another club. Get a piece for the TEAM!
If you are going to trade Big Baby...fine...just don't throw him away without getting either a player or a pick to fill the hole you are creating.
This trade doesn't necessarily upgrade our QB position...and it DEFINITELY weakens our DL.
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Seems Grossi agrees with me:
Cleveland Browns are popular in NFL rumor mill
by Tony Grossi/Plain Dealer Reporter
Tuesday March 03, 2009, 11:49 AM
The upside of a management team cloaked in secrecy is it begets rumors. And they are certainly flying around the Browns.
One rumor has the Browns trading Brady Quinn and Shaun Rogers to Denver for Jay Cutler and a third-round draft choice.
Another has the Browns dealing Braylon Edwards to the New York Giants for pass rusher Mathias Kiwanuka.
Let's analyze each rumor.
Denver is in a quandary after word leaked out that new coach Josh McDaniels tried to acquire Matt Cassell in a three-way deal with New England and Tampa Bay. (Cutler would have wound up with the Buccaneers.) Now that the toothpaste is out of the tube, the Broncos may figure they have to part ways with Cutler.
McDaniels was schooled on offense in New England by Charlie Weis, who then coached Quinn at Notre Dame. So Quinn should appeal to him. McDaniels also needs a stout nose tackle to anchor new coordinator Mike Nolan's 3-4 defense. That's where the newly disgruntled Rogers comes in.
The problem with this rumor is the Browns get shortchanged. Cutler is kind of an upgraded version of Derek Anderson -- rocket arm, inconsistent, not a great field general. Also, dealing Rogers would leave a huge void in the middle of Eric Mangini's defense -- one that 2008 draft pick Ahtyba Rubin could not come close to filling. Rogers' inclusion in this trade should command Denver's No. 1 in return.
Trading Rogers would be tantamount to greasing the squeaky wheel, of course, and might create a line of players looking for greener pastures outside GM George Kokinis' door. In front would be Edwards, which leads us to the second rumor.
The Giants need to replace problem player Plaxico Burress with another big, physical receiver. They also have an embarrassing surplus of pass rushers after signing free agents Rocky Bernard and Chris Canty. Kiwanuka is a 6-5, 265-pound end who would line up at outside linebacker on the side opposite Kamerion Wimbley.
The problem with this trade is it leaves the Browns with virtually no playmakers on offense, Kellen Winslow already having been traded.
The net result would be replacing Quinn, Rogers and Edwards with Cutler, Kiwanuka and a high Denver draft choice.
There would be salary cap ramifications for all parties involved. But we'll let the capologists figure them out. Never let the salary cap get in the way of a juicy trade rumor.
Just not likely.
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Other papers are making the case for Cutler and the PD is making the case against.
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