East-West Shrine Game
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@shepwrite said:
Me like Aaron Kelly. Arrgh.Yeah, he appears to be Paul Hubbard with route-running skills and hands.
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Workouts are going to kill Kelly's draft stock. Scouts think he's both too skinny & too slow. And last time I checked, it's pretty hard to improve your 40 time while also trying to pack on 15-20 pounds.
nfldraftscout projects that he'll be a late Round 5/early Round 6 pick.
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good. anything that keeps other teams away from him gets us that much closer to him. a #2 receiver doesn't need blazing speed; he just needs to be able to separate from a DB and make the catch. whether he separates by using his speed or his body doesn't matter. he just needs to be able to make the catch.
it also sounds like seth olsen might be playing himself into a nice payday and that bradley fletcher might play himself into the draft.
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@shepwrite said:
Hey, I like Hubbard!I think he's gonna be good next year. I watched a lot of tape on that guy. He's such a fluid athlete and he hands-caught everything. I know he gets the dropsies once in a while, but he didn't get that many looks in the Badger offense.
I like him.
I do too! I've watched a lot as well. That size and speed just can't be taught. But you are right....He at times looks likes his hands are made of rock. But as an Athlete I think he's a freak. I'd love to see him get a chance at some PT.
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- Gartrell Johnson(RB-Colorado State) has a good enough burst to hang in the NFL. His no nonsense hard charging style is apparent on every carry and he looks like he hold up under NFL punishment. He’ll never be anointed the back of the future, but with the NFL RB injury frequency, we’ll see him tote the rock in the big league at some point.
- Aaron Brown(RB-TCU) had a few more nice runs where he wove through traffic and showed his excellent hands out of the backfield. He also returned kicks at the end of practice. Brown has the look of a good swiss army knife back at the next level
- Jarrett Dillard(WR-Rice) continued to break down defensive backs (except Ryan Palmer on a few plays) and he high pointed a fade for an easy TD to end the practice session. His 40 time won’t be where the scouts like to see it, which means he’ll be a second day steal for someone.
- Sammie Stroughter(WR-Oregon State) looked like a veteran out there once again. He made a terrific catch on a poorly thrown ball, backpedaling and getting both feet in (actually three) even though his back was to the sideline. He’s a solid player who won’t put up great combine numbers, but like Dillard, he’ll outperform his draft position.
- Jarron Gilbert(DT-San Jose State) was once again dominant at times, and he impressed us with his leverage and ability to play low even though he’s 6’6”. His stock is on the rise.
- Phillip Hunt(DE-Houston) showed us those natural pass rush instincts and executed the best hump move of the week in the pit.
- Jason Williams(OLB-Western Illinois) has been the best linebacker on the West squad all week and made a terrific play to read a run play and knife through a gap drawing kudos from the coaching staff.
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- Jason Williams(OLB-Western Illinois) has been the best linebacker on the West squad all week and made a terrific play to read a run play and knife through a gap drawing kudos from the coaching staff.
Williams is a very interesting small school prospect. He goes 6'1", 241 lbs. and is expected to run a 4.6 40.
This week, he's shown ability covering the TE & some pop playing inside. He forced 6 fumbles this year & has notched 30 TFL's over the past two. He's also made a few mental errors this week, but it's possible that those could be a function of subpar small school coaching.
nfldraftscout projects that Williams will be taken in the 4th Round. If we were to sign a guy like Eric Barton in FA, Williams would be one of the guys we'd consider taking on Day Two.
Other Day Two ILB's to consider:
- Zack Follett, OLB, Cal
- - played OLB in Cal's 3-4, but he could be a Ted Bruschi-type inside
- - plays bigger than his size (6'2", 239 lbs.)
- - a poor man's D'Qwell Jackson
- - thumper type; reminds me of Desmond Bishop, a guy we almost drafted in '07
- - jumbo linebacker has had trouble recognizing plays this week
- - all of BC's linebackers were great this year
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Some good final thoughts from The National Football Post:
– Rice WR Jarett Dillard: Continues to catch the ball and make plays. Hard to overlook his slight stature, but he reminds me of Davone Bess or Shaun McDonald (without his top-end speed) as he has the ability to make catches in tight quarters and then slip out of danger and gain extra yardage. If he can produce a surprising 40 time, he could move into mid-round range.
– South Carolina OL Jamon Meredith: Really has worked his way back up to potentially being the highest-rated player taken from this year’s Shrine Game. Has stayed in front of nearly all defenders he has faced, winning the majority of his one-on-ones. Would still like to see more of a nasty streak in him. He’s not a great finisher and still plays way too high at times.
– San Jose State DL Jarron Gilbert: Big-framed kid who has shown an improved motor and worked at a very good tempo all week. He’s got scouts heading back to watch more tape of him as he exploded on the scene by consistently creating havoc in the backfield starting about Week 3-4 of his senior campaign. This week was a good starting point, but improving on a suspected 5.3 estimated 40 time from the spring will be what evaluators wait to see at the NFL Combine.
– Michigan DT Terrance Taylor: Has had a rougher week than expected, but, to his credit, has not complained or talked back to a coaching staff that is preaching tough love to the interior defender. He’s built low to the ground but has misfired on a few one-on-ones. While showing some burst and power at the point of attack, he has not been beating his man often enough to be considered in the top two rounds of the draft.
– Richmond DE Lawrence Sidbury: Has shown a good burst to the ball, gaining separation from blockers and finishing hard during one-on-ones. Has good upper-body strength and plays faster than his supposed 4.8 times in the 40. Productive athlete who could earn a solid third round pick if he has a good Combine workout.
– TCU LB Jason Phillips: A good-looking athlete on tape but has looked a little sluggish here at times. Not nearly as explosive to the ball or making big plays as his 4.55 speed might indicate. He is a smaller-framed defender who could get absorbed at the point of attack without having the benefit of two big defensive tackles in front of him. Disappointing is too tough a word because he’s productive on tape, so I’ll wait to see him in the game before making a final judgment.
– Iowa CB Bradley Fletcher: Continues to make plays and earn the respect of every receiver he lines up against. “Man you are getting on top of me fast. I didn’t know you were there until the last second and then you knocked the ball out my hands,” said an East receiver running back from a one-on-one matchup.
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@shepwrite said:
Good stuff. Stroughter and Gilbert look like the risers, rounds 3/4.The Eric Barton idea just makes way, WAY too much sense: Veteran free agent ILB who had 119 tackles follows his coach, a Tuna/Belicheck protege who might like to have a few of "his guys." Oh, and the Browns have a gaping hole at ILB.
That said, I don't see the Browns signing him AND drafting Curry or Maualuga. Like Alo, I think they'd look for a developmental guy. UVA's Ivy, at 6'2", could play at 250 by his second year and could be had in round 4.
If that happened, trade rumors start flying and we cobble some extra picks, get a pass rusher, a running back, a WR...
If Cleveland decided to go that way (with FA Barton) I'd have to believe that Everette Brown or Aaron Maybin might get strong looks as 3-4 OLBs. The ideal situation would be trading down so SF can take Sanchez and we pick up some extra picks and still get a pass rusher.
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clinton mcdonald (DT, memphis) sounds to be tailor-made for a one-gap 3-4. a great burst on a biggish guy who weighs in at 290? look for the cowboys, steelers or ravens to snap him up. i'd say we should go after him, which i think we should based on this small report, but it's not indicated whether he's also strong or if he's just fast. either way, 3-4 teams looking to get a penetrating end will likely be interested in him. the pats might also take a look even though they play a two-gap.
i'm disappointed to hear ellison (S, USC) isn't doing well. he's a hitter who's great in run support. how unforgivable is losing your temper during practice? not so much in the 'on one play' or 'for a couple minutes' vein, but losing focus and being a bully for an entire day? it seems like the kind of thing that speaks to massive immaturity and uncoachability, the kind of thing that will drop a kid off a team's radar.
i'd like to see schaughnessy (DE/OLB, wisconsin) go up against someone who's not from the big 10. it's hard for me to trust big 10 talent when it's not been tested against guys from the superior conferences (pac 10, big 12, SEC).
it's interesting that courtney greene (S, rutgers) has returned to form in practices after a down season. he was supposed to be one of the premier safeties in college football but had massive coverage issues, particularly against louisville where he got burned deep on the regular.
depending on his grade/expected round, we'd be foolish not to look at bradley fletcher (CB, iowa). it's been said we need size at corner, and size at corner he has.
depending on his grade/expected round, we'd be foolish not to look at bradley fletcher (CB, iowa). it's been said we need size at corner, and size at corner he has.
Here's a nice look at the big defensive back:
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Aloysius said:
Here's a nice look at the big defensive back:And Mangini loves big corners.
I like this kid a lot but am afraid he's going to move up into the fifth round where the Browns don't have a pick.
Another big corner I really like and might be had in the 4th round is Kevin Barnes out of Maryland.
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