Quinn and Rogers to Denver?
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I disagree with Grossi on the Edwards trade to N.Y.
I have always thought big playmaking WR's are overrrated when it comes to winning Championships. I think Bill Belichick proved that with his Patriot teams. Give me a great defense and a solid running game with a QB that completes 60% of his passes and doesn't make too many mistakes and I'll win a bunch of games.
Move Cribbs to safety, Give me Kiwanuka, a FA Signing and two more defenders in the first 37 picks and I've upgraded my defense by leaps and bounds. After the 2010 draft and one or two more FA signings (Will Smith) in 2010 and this defense could be scary.
oldcow1945 said:
I disagree with Grossi on the Edwards trade to N.Y.I have always thought big playmaking WR's are overrrated when it comes to winning Championships. I think Bill Belichick proved that with his Patriot teams. Give me a great defense and a solid running game with a QB that completes 60% of his passes and doesn't make too many mistakes and I'll win a bunch of games.
Move Cribbs to safety, Give me Kiwanuka, a FA Signing and two more defenders in the first 37 picks and I've upgraded my defense by leaps and bounds. After the 2010 draft and one or two more FA signings (Will Smith) in 2010 and this defense could be scary.
I agree with upgrading the defense and having a strong running game. Coaches used to say to have a great defense you had to be strong up the middle. DT, ILB and have a great SS. We have Rogers and we need a strong run support SILB and a kick ass SS. Maybe why Jones was sent looking. There are 2nd round picks like Chung and Moore and Nic Harris that could fill the bill at SS.
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oldcow1945 said:
I disagree with Grossi on the Edwards trade to N.Y.I have always thought big playmaking WR's are overrrated when it comes to winning Championships. I think Bill Belichick proved that with his Patriot teams. Give me a great defense and a solid running game with a QB that completes 60% of his passes and doesn't make too many mistakes and I'll win a bunch of games.
Move Cribbs to safety, Give me Kiwanuka, a FA Signing and two more defenders in the first 37 picks and I've upgraded my defense by leaps and bounds. After the 2010 draft and one or two more FA signings (Will Smith) in 2010 and this defense could be scary.
I agree with upgrading the defense and having a strong running game. Coaches used to say to have a great defense you had to be strong up the middle. DT, ILB and have a great SS. We have Rogers and we need a strong run support SILB and a kick ass SS. Maybe why Jones was sent looking. There are 2nd round picks like Chung and Moore and Nic Harris that could fill the bill at SS.
I agree with upgrading the defense and having a strong running game. Coaches used to say to have a great defense you had to be strong up the middle. DT, ILB and have a great SS. We have Rogers and we need a strong run support SILB and a kick ass SS. Maybe why Jones was sent looking. There are 2nd round picks like Chung and Moore and Nic Harris that could fill the bill at SS.
I love Chung. Almost a corner/safety hybrid that likes to hit. If the Browns got this guy in the 2nd round I'd be very excited.
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or we could put cribbs at ss maybe he could form into that crazy haired guy from pittspuke
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Seems Grossi agrees with me:
Cleveland Browns are popular in NFL rumor mill
by Tony Grossi/Plain Dealer Reporter
Tuesday March 03, 2009, 11:49 AM
The upside of a management team cloaked in secrecy is it begets rumors. And they are certainly flying around the Browns.
One rumor has the Browns trading Brady Quinn and Shaun Rogers to Denver for Jay Cutler and a third-round draft choice.
Another has the Browns dealing Braylon Edwards to the New York Giants for pass rusher Mathias Kiwanuka.
Let's analyze each rumor.
Denver is in a quandary after word leaked out that new coach Josh McDaniels tried to acquire Matt Cassell in a three-way deal with New England and Tampa Bay. (Cutler would have wound up with the Buccaneers.) Now that the toothpaste is out of the tube, the Broncos may figure they have to part ways with Cutler.
McDaniels was schooled on offense in New England by Charlie Weis, who then coached Quinn at Notre Dame. So Quinn should appeal to him. McDaniels also needs a stout nose tackle to anchor new coordinator Mike Nolan's 3-4 defense. That's where the newly disgruntled Rogers comes in.
The problem with this rumor is the Browns get shortchanged. Cutler is kind of an upgraded version of Derek Anderson -- rocket arm, inconsistent, not a great field general. Also, dealing Rogers would leave a huge void in the middle of Eric Mangini's defense -- one that 2008 draft pick Ahtyba Rubin could not come close to filling. Rogers' inclusion in this trade should command Denver's No. 1 in return.
Trading Rogers would be tantamount to greasing the squeaky wheel, of course, and might create a line of players looking for greener pastures outside GM George Kokinis' door. In front would be Edwards, which leads us to the second rumor.
The Giants need to replace problem player Plaxico Burress with another big, physical receiver. They also have an embarrassing surplus of pass rushers after signing free agents Rocky Bernard and Chris Canty. Kiwanuka is a 6-5, 265-pound end who would line up at outside linebacker on the side opposite Kamerion Wimbley.
The problem with this trade is it leaves the Browns with virtually no playmakers on offense, Kellen Winslow already having been traded.
The net result would be replacing Quinn, Rogers and Edwards with Cutler, Kiwanuka and a high Denver draft choice.
There would be salary cap ramifications for all parties involved. But we'll let the capologists figure them out. Never let the salary cap get in the way of a juicy trade rumor.
Just not likely.
Seems Grossi agrees with me:
Just not likely.
Hardly going out on a limb. I think it was been in the unlikely category since it was first floated.
I do disagree on the trade....I think it would be wonderful.
As Shep said....Quinn could easily be better than Cutler....he can also flop like a fish out of water.....so as the saying goes...a bird in hand is better than 2 in the bush. Give me the proven any day of the week.....also seeing I don't think Quinn could end up much better.
Rogers would be a problem.....but one I feel could be adequately addressed in the draft.....Raji with our 1st pick would be a good start....who else are we going to take there??
But....the odds of this happening are about 2%, so i have wasted enough of my time considering the ramifications.
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Play the year with Quinn. If he sucks, we suck. Spend the #1 pick next year on a QB and move on. This is not the year to get rid of an unknown Quinn.
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for some reason, so i realize that you guys really do love/trust in Quinn..
i almost get it.
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for some reason, so i realize that you guys really do love/trust in Quinn..
i almost get it.
for some reason, so i realize that you guys really do love/trust in Quinn..
i almost get it.
any more if your a browns fan u love/trust who ever is behing the center throwing the ball
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which is debatable......but sure, i almost get it.
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I love the idea of a first round draft pick being named the starter, going through spring and preseason as the starter, and giving him at least half of the season to see what he can do.
I like Quinn because he's already a Brown, wants to be a Brown, and has a strong enough history as a successful QB to be given his shot.
I also love the idea of the Browns doing everything they can to give every first round draft pick, forever more, a chance early and often (especially if the guy in front of him is ranked last in the league).
I also love the fact that Quinn (and DA for that matter) has never whined publicly like Winslow and Cutler. It's a sad day when Carmelo acts more mature than you do.
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Besides...he already has a 'young' Favre on the roster in DA.
WP - are you f.ucking serious??????!!!!!!!!
You are gone dude.
WP - are you f.ucking serious??????!!!!!!!!
You are gone dude.
read closer....STYLE of play...NOT talent
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I love the idea of a first round draft pick being named the starter, going through spring and preseason as the starter, and giving him at least half of the season to see what he can do.
I like Quinn because he's already a Brown, wants to be a Brown, and has a strong enough history as a successful QB to be given his shot.
I also love the idea of the Browns doing everything they can to give every first round draft pick, forever more, a chance early and often (especially if the guy in front of him is ranked last in the league).
I also love the fact that Quinn (and DA for that matter) has never whined publicly like Winslow and Cutler. It's a sad day when Carmelo acts more mature than you do.
I love the idea of a first round draft pick being named the starter, going through spring and preseason as the starter, and giving him at least half of the season to see what he can do.
I like Quinn because he's already a Brown, wants to be a Brown, and has a strong enough history as a successful QB to be given his shot.
I also love the idea of the Browns doing everything they can to give every first round draft pick, forever more, a chance early and often (especially if the guy in front of him is ranked last in the league).
I also love the fact that Quinn (and DA for that matter) has never whined publicly like Winslow and Cutler. It's a sad day when Carmelo acts more mature than you do.
All well written and right on.
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read closer....STYLE of play...NOT talent
I understood what you meant. A big armed gunslinger who will try and force the ball in anywhere. As was evident in the year he threw 29 TD's as well as 19 INT's.
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was watching mike and mike in the morning play again and espn 2 and john clayton was talking about jay cutler being traded but he didnt mention anything about cleveland being in the mix he said that denver is unlikey to trade him for picks becuasue they wouldnt have a qb in return so this means that the news of bq ans shaun rodgers aint getting around the league or john clayton just dont know about this rumor of us being in the mix
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If we trade Rogers to Denver, it better be for Champ-effing-Bailey, because he's the only corner that can cover for 10+ seconds a play that comes with zero pass rush.
Corner not being an area I feel needs immediate concern this season. I like Bmac as an all-around corner better than Wright as a pure shutdown guy.
Lets give these guys at least 1 season with a pass rush before we start axing two solid tacklers and above average cover guys. B-mac made some pretty obscene-highlight reel picks last season. Both guys have speed, both are quick & explosive to the ball.
But that should be our only interest in Denver.
p.s. Could the poster (from page 1, too lazy to look, too pissed to care) kindly go play in traffic? How can you claim to be a Brownie and have anything nice to say about John Elway? I happen to like him as the car-salesman better. The more alleged Denver fans he can put behind the wheel of a car, the better chance they have in getting in car wrecks.
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Zombo said:
The lazy-eyed hobbit is 17-20 with 87 rating.I think we can manage that out of Quinn AND keep the ALL-PRO defensive tackle.
The off-season is so GAY.
It's like a freaking soap opera out there.
Zombo
LOL! I hear ya Zombo! The only 2 guys in this free agent market that excite me are Ward and Houshmasabee. All these other sweats have seedy/greedy agents connected at the hip whoring after signing bonuses and salaries their clients just aren't worth.
I once pledged a fraternity and this miserable big basterd had a name tag on that read: FAAAAH-Q. Not the kind of guy you want around on RUSH night when you're trying to recruit new pledges. Anyway, your knuckleheaded buddy Flugel was the dumb one that asked what's your name say? I got a classic one liner in return: "Sound it out asshole!"
When Greer showed up wanting the absurd amt of cake he's asking for - wouldn't you just love to hold up what was written on that name tag I spoke of?
- Tom F.
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BRONCOS SAY THEY WON’T TRADE CUTLER
Posted by Mike Florio on March 3, 2009, 6:22 p.m.
The Broncos “absolutely” won’t be trading quarterback Jay Cutler.
That’s the word from CBS4 in Denver, from Gary Miller.
Adam Schefter of NFL Network got something even more clear.
“Let me be as clear as I can about this,” McDaniels told Schefter. “We are not trading Jay Cutler — period.”
That said, we’re still not sure we believe the team. Our guess is that the Broncos are trying, on a last-ditch basis, to rebuild the relationship with Cutler by making it clear to him that he won’t be able to talk his way out of town. (There’s also a chance that the Broncos are trying to restore the market for Cutler, by persuading other teams that they plan to keep him.)
The next step comes next week, when Cutler will return to Colorado for a sit-down with coach Josh McDaniels.
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This thing is now even all over WKNR.....Sheez. It now has a life of it's own and the thought of it is ridiculous. Give up our best D-lineman and Quinn for Cutler and a 3rd?
I hope someone puts it to bed quickly.
The only way I'd even think about this deal is if it was Cutler and the Bronco's first round pick.
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Yeah everything we hear is just smoke screen...
It's like the report that Mangini doesn't like what he sees in Quinn. That was a total smokescreen too right?
Could be Lum. Point is you can't believe anything you hear about either QB in this situation. Its in Cleveland's best interest to have teams believe we think DA is a God.
But considering you'd have to think about it through the "Cleveland's best interest" lens, I can see how you missed that.
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Yeah everything we hear is just smoke screen...
It's like the report that Mangini doesn't like what he sees in Quinn. That was a total smokescreen too right?
Could be Lum. Point is you can't believe anything you hear about either QB in this situation. Its in Cleveland's best interest to have teams believe we think DA is a God.
But considering you'd have to think about it through the "Cleveland's best interest" lens, I can see how you missed that.
Could be Lum. Point is you can't believe anything you hear about either QB in this situation. Its in Cleveland's best interest to have teams believe we think DA is a God.
But considering you'd have to think about it through the "Cleveland's best interest" lens, I can see how you missed that.
Only someone as screwed up as Lum would ever believe any of that crap. Can't believe the kind of shit that people here actually think has merit and then they run with it.
WTF
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