A simple deal
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detroit has the #20 pick as well (i think)
would they risk a QB falling that far?
do we care?
detroit has the #20 pick as well (i think)
would they risk a QB falling that far?
do we care?
DA & our 2010 5th rounder for their #20 overall.
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oldcow1945 said:
Here is a simple one that you guys can rip apart if you'd like.How about a simple swap of Places with Detroit. We send Anderson and our #5 overall for Detroit's #1.
The Browns then get the LB they want in Curry.
If the Brown's can't get the 2nd round pick they want for Anderson, You could almost look at this deal as Anderson for Curry.
Then draft Rhett Bomar in the 4th round.
Would rather trade down and get 2 picks and trade anderson for a pick. then you got 3 extra
picks in first three rounds, rather than just onepick for the #5 and anderson
nmills said:
Would rather trade down and get 2 picks and trade anderson for a pick. then you got 3 extrapicks in first three rounds, rather than just onepick for the #5 and anderson
I'm with you on this one.
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detroit has the #20 pick as well (i think)
would they risk a QB falling that far?
do we care?
DA & our 2010 5th rounder for their #20 overall.
DA & our 2010 5th rounder for their #20 overall.
I like that too. I'd go 4th or 3rd rounder if they'd need a bit more.
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detroit has the #20 pick as well (i think)
would they risk a QB falling that far?
do we care?
DA & our 2010 5th rounder for their #20 overall.
DA & our 2010 5th rounder for their #20 overall.
could be possible....but don't we want to "build for the future" and not trade future picks?
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Why in the hell would we do this. A player and our pick for 4 spots and an almost assured holdout for what?
Do you have info that we do not? How do you know he's a sure holdout?
I don't look at it as moving up 4 spots. I look at it as moving up by leaps and bounds in potential when compared to what will be available at #5
oldcow1945 said:
Do you have info that we do not? How do you know he's a sure holdout?I don't look at it as moving up 4 spots. I look at it as moving up by leaps and bounds in potential when compared to what will be available at #5
Of course I don't know for sure, but go back and look at history, the chances are better than not; no? You can look at it however you want but to trade DA and a #5 pick for Aaron Curry seems to be overvaluing Curry IMO. Not sure how much clearer I can put it, you want to trade a former Pro-Bowl QB, who's 25, and a top 5 pick for an unknown, unproven player. Just don't get how it makes sense. I don't have a value chart, but I would guess we'd be getting hosed here. And creating a hole w/out getting an extra draft pick or anything.
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oldcow1945 said:
Do you have info that we do not? How do you know he's a sure holdout?I don't look at it as moving up 4 spots. I look at it as moving up by leaps and bounds in potential when compared to what will be available at #5
Of course I don't know for sure, but go back and look at history, the chances are better than not; no? You can look at it however you want but to trade DA and a #5 pick for Aaron Curry seems to be overvaluing Curry IMO. Not sure how much clearer I can put it, you want to trade a former Pro-Bowl QB, who's 25, and a top 5 pick for an unknown, unproven player. Just don't get how it makes sense. I don't have a value chart, but I would guess we'd be getting hosed here. And creating a hole w/out getting an extra draft pick or anything.
Of course I don't know for sure, but go back and look at history, the chances are better than not; no? You can look at it however you want but to trade DA and a #5 pick for Aaron Curry seems to be overvaluing Curry IMO. Not sure how much clearer I can put it, you want to trade a former Pro-Bowl QB, who's 25, and a top 5 pick for an unknown, unproven player. Just don't get how it makes sense. I don't have a value chart, but I would guess we'd be getting hosed here. And creating a hole w/out getting an extra draft pick or anything.
Throw that pro bowl stuff out the window. So what? Players like Brad Johnson, Brian Griese, Chris Chnadler and Steve Buerline were back up pro bowlers too. It means nothing. The guy had one good year when the Browns played the easiest schedule in the NFL.
It's obvious that NFL teams are not knocking down the Browns door to get this guy.
Talk about over valuing....You are doing it with Anderson.
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DA & our 2010 5th rounder for their #20 overall.
could be possible....but don't we want to "build for the future" and not trade future picks?
could be possible....but don't we want to "build for the future" and not trade future picks?
True, but 2010's 5th rounder is the extra from the Winslow deal. So, no draft hole created.
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word.
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Here is a simple one that you guys can rip apart if you'd like.
How about a simple swap of Places with Detroit. We send Anderson and our #5 overall for Detroit's #1.
The Browns then get the LB they want in Curry.
If the Brown's can't get the 2nd round pick they want for Anderson, You could almost look at this deal as Anderson for Curry.
Then draft Rhett Bomar in the 4th round.
oldcow1945 said:
Here is a simple one that you guys can rip apart if you'd like.How about a simple swap of Places with Detroit. We send Anderson and our #5 overall for Detroit's #1.
The Browns then get the LB they want in Curry.
If the Brown's can't get the 2nd round pick they want for Anderson, You could almost look at this deal as Anderson for Curry.
Then draft Rhett Bomar in the 4th round.
Unless Detroit thinks Anderson is worth the #10 overall pick, they would laugh Kokinis outta Ford Field.
If you look at the draft value chart (I'm looking at a 2006 version, but I'm not sure they change that much from year to year) the #1 overall is worth 3,000 points and the #5 overall is worth 1,700 points. That's a difference of 1,300 points, which is what the #10 overall is worth.
Detroit would be stupid to do this.
I agree with the others, Cleveland would be stupid to do this as well, even though they would get essentially a 1st round Draft Pick for Anderson. All on paper though since we don't get another pick, but rather trade a pick and a player for a pick.
Don't like it.
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Instead of trading up to get the LB that you want, how about we stay put and get the LB that I want? Brian Orakpo...
-Al
Instead of trading up to get the LB that you want, how about we stay put and get the LB that I want? Brian Orakpo...
-Al
/agree geech in the end we would be losing on a deal like that and logic says mankok takes orakpo at 5..he seems to miss a lot of tackles and tackles pretty soft but he is really aggressive and fast for his size..if we could find a way to add matthews or rey rey our LB core would be brutal..
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oldcow1945 said:
Here is a simple one that you guys can rip apart if you'd like.How about a simple swap of Places with Detroit. We send Anderson and our #5 overall for Detroit's #1.
The Browns then get the LB they want in Curry.
If the Brown's can't get the 2nd round pick they want for Anderson, You could almost look at this deal as Anderson for Curry.
Then draft Rhett Bomar in the 4th round.
Unless Detroit thinks Anderson is worth the #10 overall pick, they would laugh Kokinis outta Ford Field.
If you look at the draft value chart (I'm looking at a 2006 version, but I'm not sure they change that much from year to year) the #1 overall is worth 3,000 points and the #5 overall is worth 1,700 points. That's a difference of 1,300 points, which is what the #10 overall is worth.
Detroit would be stupid to do this.
I agree with the others, Cleveland would be stupid to do this as well, even though they would get essentially a 1st round Draft Pick for Anderson. All on paper though since we don't get another pick, but rather trade a pick and a player for a pick.
Don't like it.
Unless Detroit thinks Anderson is worth the #10 overall pick, they would laugh Kokinis outta Ford Field.
If you look at the draft value chart (I'm looking at a 2006 version, but I'm not sure they change that much from year to year) the #1 overall is worth 3,000 points and the #5 overall is worth 1,700 points. That's a difference of 1,300 points, which is what the #10 overall is worth.
Detroit would be stupid to do this.
Don't like it.
But you missed the point. It's not what Anderson is worth. My thought process is Schwartz wanting an OT and knowing he can get one of the two he wants with pick #5 as well as pick #1. In this case your value chart is meaningless. It doesn't equate into this decision at all. Schwartz, and Linehan especially, is going to want to run the ball. Schwartz spoke at length at the combines of the need to be sure with that first pick and the history of OT's taken in the first round being very successful.
The Lions would not only get the OT they wanted in the first place with the 5th overall pick, they would be paying him a lot less and they'd be getting a QB as well!
Detroit would be stupid to do this? You have to look at the whole picture before you make that kind of statement.
You seem to only be able to look at it at face value instead of the whole picture. Charts are worthless when you have to consider contracts and money, team needs, etc.
Cleveland would be the team taking the bigger chance here.
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Yikes... you know the money we'd have to pay Curry?
He isn't superman. Trading DA for Detroit's second round pick would be huge. You'd end up with Orakpo
AND another player in the top of the second round.
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Yikes... you know the money we'd have to pay Curry?
He isn't superman. Trading DA for Detroit's second round pick would be huge. You'd end up with Orakpo
AND another player in the top of the second round.
Yikes... you know the money we'd have to pay Curry?
He isn't superman. Trading DA for Detroit's second round pick would be huge. You'd end up with Orakpo
AND another player in the top of the second round.
I agree. I wouldn't want to draft a LB #1 overall. But as much as he seems to be loved on this board I thought some guys may like the thought of it.
I don't think Detroit is giving up pick #33 for DA. Maybe pick #65. No way is Schwartz gambling on DA when he could get a Mathews or Lauriniatis or Michael Johnson or Alex Mack or Paul Kruger with #33.
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I don't think Detroit is giving up pick #33 for DA. Maybe pick #65. No way is Schwartz gambling on DA when he could get a Mathews or Lauriniatis or Michael Johnson or Alex Mack or Paul Kruger with #33. OC
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Excellent point. But if we're going to dream, let's dream big... GGG
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