Bruce Drennan's challenge to Browns fans
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And yes OP, I think it's pretty ridiculous. Any team can make the changes needed to win a super bowl in five years (see Seatlle). All it takes is hitting on draft picks (Wilson, Sherman, Kam etc...) in the later rounds, and a little bit of luck
Rams went from 4-12 to Super Bowl title in one year. Patriots went from 5-11 to Super Bowl title in one year.
Yes, it can be done.....
One interesting factor about both those teams......Rams switched from like Trent Green to Kurt Warner early in 1999....won title.
Pats switched from Drew Bledsoe to Tom Brady early in 2001...won title.
Also, note: 2000 Ravens switched halfway through from Tony Banks to Trent Dilfer....won title
Three SB champs in a row switched to a new QB to win. Interesting.
Rams went from 4-12 to Super Bowl title in one year. Patriots went from 5-11 to Super Bowl title in one year.
Yes, it can be done.....
One interesting factor about both those teams......Rams switched from like Trent Green to Kurt Warner early in 1999....won title.
Pats switched from Drew Bledsoe to Tom Brady early in 2001...won title.
Also, note: 2000 Ravens switched halfway through from Tony Banks to Trent Dilfer....won title
Three SB champs in a row switched to a new QB to win. Interesting.
i'll give you all but Trent Dilfer. It was the Ravens' D that won that SB. Dilfer was just there to manage the game, but the D was incredible.
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5 years for a new regime given their guaranteed continuity used to be the plan. now if you don't make it to the playoffs in 2 you're usually shit-canned.
i think continuity with a staff you have faith in is key.
not too many new HCs and GMs just walk into a stacked team, make a couple of tweaks and win the whole thing the next year. as a matter of fact they usually inherit crap, players that don't fit their systems and by the time they get 'their' guys they are shown the door.
imagine if chip kelly doesn't win this year after basically scrapping the whole team. will laurie hang onto to that freak?
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5 years for a new regime given their guaranteed continuity used to be the plan. now if you don't make it to the playoffs in 2 you're usually shit-canned.
i think continuity with a staff you have faith in is key.
not too many new HCs and GMs just walk into a stacked team, make a couple of tweaks and win the whole thing the next year. as a matter of fact they usually inherit crap, players that don't fit their systems and by the time they get 'their' guys they are shown the door.
imagine if chip kelly doesn't win this year after basically scrapping the whole team. will laurie hang onto to that freak?
5 years for a new regime given their guaranteed continuity used to be the plan. now if you don't make it to the playoffs in 2 you're usually shit-canned.
i think continuity with a staff you have faith in is key.
not too many new HC and GMs just walk into a stacked team, make a couple of tweaks and win the whole thing the next year.
Mik gets it!
Mike
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5 years for a new regime given their guaranteed continuity used to be the plan. now if you don't make it to the playoffs in 2 you're usually shit-canned.
i think continuity with a staff you have faith in is key.
not too many new HCs and GMs just walk into a stacked team, make a couple of tweaks and win the whole thing the next year. as a matter of fact they usually inherit crap, players that don't fit their systems and by the time they get 'their' guys they are shown the door.
imagine if chip kelly doesn't win this year after basically scrapping the whole team. will laurie hang onto to that freak?
5 years for a new regime given their guaranteed continuity used to be the plan. now if you don't make it to the playoffs in 2 you're usually shit-canned.
i think continuity with a staff you have faith in is key.
not too many new HC and GMs just walk into a stacked team, make a couple of tweaks and win the whole thing the next year.
Mik and I agree
The only thing I'd add, it's very difficult to keep continuity in a organization when they haven't been successful in quite some time and the new one isn't successful in 3 years.
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5 years for a new regime given their guaranteed continuity used to be the plan. now if you don't make it to the playoffs in 2 you're usually shit-canned.
i think continuity with a staff you have faith in is key.
not too many new HC and GMs just walk into a stacked team, make a couple of tweaks and win the whole thing the next year.
Mik and I agree
The only thing I'd add, it's very difficult to keep continuity in a organization when they haven't been successful in quite some time and the new one isn't successful in 3 years.
Mik and I agree
The only thing I'd add, it's very difficult to keep continuity in a organization when they haven't been successful in quite some time and the new one isn't successful in 3 years.
yep. in my edited post i added a quirp about kelly and eagles. will laurie keep him there after drastically changing the look of a very talented team that didn't win to 'his' team that doesn't win (hypothetically, of course)?
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They need to keep a coach and general manager for more than a year at a time. Pettine is a good fit. I hope for his sake they have a great draft. It would be horrible to see him go after two years. Even the players need time to learn new systems. Sheard was good under Ray Horton's defense. That's why he was drafted. We need stability and a little time.
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5 years for a new regime given their guaranteed continuity used to be the plan. now if you don't make it to the playoffs in 2 you're usually shit-canned.
i think continuity with a staff you have faith in is key.
not too many new HCs and GMs just walk into a stacked team, make a couple of tweaks and win the whole thing the next year. as a matter of fact they usually inherit crap, players that don't fit their systems and by the time they get 'their' guys they are shown the door.
imagine if chip kelly doesn't win this year after basically scrapping the whole team. will laurie hang onto to that freak?
5 years for a new regime given their guaranteed continuity used to be the plan. now if you don't make it to the playoffs in 2 you're usually shit-canned.
i think continuity with a staff you have faith in is key.
not too many new HCs and GMs just walk into a stacked team, make a couple of tweaks and win the whole thing the next year. as a matter of fact they usually inherit crap, players that don't fit their systems and by the time they get 'their' guys they are shown the door.
imagine if chip kelly doesn't win this year after basically scrapping the whole team. will laurie hang onto to that freak?
MIke Tomlin gets to take that rare cred of getting a stacked team that took HIM to the SB and gave him an undeserved ring...
Not that I don't like Pettine, because I actually believe he is the best coach we have had since the return, but MAN I really wish Cowher would have came to Cleveland...
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i really doubt cowher will ever coach again. he lost a lot of time with family and years off his life...........i think that chair on cbs sports is a lot more cushy than anything another nfl team could ever give him.
but hey, stranger things have happened.
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VesnaKociper said:
Drennan is an entertainer. Football is the foundation of his schtick, but at the end of the day, he is an entertainer.
The talk of a SB in the next five years is asinine totally asinine. Never mind that predicting the future, 5 years away in a sport that is heavily influenced by injuries, bad officiating, failed drafts, the bounce of the ball, the personal peccadillos of players, coaches and FO, and you have an entity that Is above all logic and science to predict.
As I see it, the REAL questions is, what do the Browns have to do so that each and every year, when the seasons starts, the franchise is one of the upper echelon teams that get's talked about as a high probability to go. In my mind the Browns are floundering and until several areas are addressed, the team will remain the same.
1) Put a logo on the helmet - a GROUND HOG in the likeness of Bill Murray would be nice.
All kidding aside, we don't have a QB presence, there is no identity to either offense or defense, our draft record continues to blow; we don't have very many outstanding skill players, players don't want to come here or stay here. On and on the list goes. s the once great Cleveland sports guru Myron Cope used to say..............YOY!
You have it pal. Instead of a Groundhog- how about a cow pie? It fits- the Clevealnd Cowpies, because we play like shit.
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Bruce Drennan is a blow hole from Chicago. I can't stand him
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As for the question, I agree with the regime getting time to build the team, but if Farmer whiffs on the first round again this year, Jimmy isn't going to be happy.
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VesnaKociper said:
Drennan is an entertainer. Football is the foundation of his schtick, but at the end of the day, he is an entertainer.
The talk of a SB in the next five years is asinine totally asinine. Never mind that predicting the future, 5 years away in a sport that is heavily influenced by injuries, bad officiating, failed drafts, the bounce of the ball, the personal peccadillos of players, coaches and FO, and you have an entity that Is above all logic and science to predict.
As I see it, the REAL questions is, what do the Browns have to do so that each and every year, when the seasons starts, the franchise is one of the upper echelon teams that get's talked about as a high probability to go. In my mind the Browns are floundering and until several areas are addressed, the team will remain the same.
1) Put a logo on the helmet - a GROUND HOG in the likeness of Bill Murray would be nice.
All kidding aside, we don't have a QB presence, there is no identity to either offense or defense, our draft record continues to blow; we don't have very many outstanding skill players, players don't want to come here or stay here. On and on the list goes. s the once great Cleveland sports guru Myron Cope used to say..............YOY!
Ditto.
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Only the Panthers are left out. 2002 I believe
Yes, sorry. 2003 season to be precise. Overlooked as I typed.
Yes, sorry. 2003 season to be precise. Overlooked as I typed.
Titans lost to Rams in a thriller, 2002?
I'm 51, Browns need an appearance & victory soon, before I'm senile.
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If this thread goes to a page 3, then I might have to look up who the hell Bruce Drennan is...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
He's a loudmouth, classless ex-con, pretty much.
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He's a loudmouth, classless ex-con, pretty much.
He's a loudmouth, classless ex-con, pretty much.
That about sums it up...........he knows about gambling, movies & baseball......but football?...not so much.....
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If this thread goes to a page 3, then I might have to look up who the hell Bruce Drennan is...
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Yes, sorry. 2003 season to be precise. Overlooked as I typed.
Titans lost to Rams in a thriller, 2002?
I'm 51, Browns need an appearance & victory soon, before I'm senile.
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Last Title game appearance by all NFL teams:
2014 Patriots
2014 Seahawks
2013 Broncos
2012 49ers
2012 Ravens
2011 Giants
2010 Packers
2010 Steelers
2009 Saints
2009 Colts
2008 Cardinals
2006 Bears
2004 Eagles
2003 Panthers
2002 Buccaneers
2002 Raiders
2001 Rams
1999 Titans
1998 Falcons
1995 Cowboys
1994 Chargers
1993 Bills
1991 Redskins
1988 Bengals
1982 Dolphins
1976 Vikings
1969 Chiefs
1968 Jets
1965 Browns
1957 Lions
never Jaguars
never Texans
Last Title game appearance by all NFL teams:
2014 Patriots
2014 Seahawks
2013 Broncos
2012 49ers
2012 Ravens
2011 Giants
2010 Packers
2010 Steelers
2009 Saints
2009 Colts
2008 Cardinals
2006 Bears
2004 Eagles
2002 Buccaneers
2002 Raiders
2001 Rams
1999 Titans
1998 Falcons
1995 Cowboys
1994 Chargers
1993 Bills
1991 Redskins
1988 Bengals
1982 Dolphins
1976 Vikings
1969 Chiefs
1968 Jets
1965 Browns
1957 Lions
never Jaguars
never Titans
Titans lost narrowly to the rams in the 1999 season superbowl.
Oops, I see you have therm there. and then listed at the bottom as never, too....
Hope has two beautiful daughters: Their names are Anger and Courage. Anger that things are the way they are. Courage to make them the way they ought to be. - St. Augustine. Throughout the centuries there were men who took first steps down new roads armed with nothing but their vision. - Ayn Rand -
He's a loudmouth, classless ex-con, pretty much.
He's a loudmouth, classless ex-con, pretty much.
So, he and Haslam will have a lot in common.......
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