Equilibrium?
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Hasn't Desmond Bryant been hurt a bunch? All of our DL got hurt last year, no? Taylor, Winn, Hughes, both Bryants all lost for big chunks of time?
That is why our run defense suffered.
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Hasn't Desmond Bryant been hurt a bunch? All of our DL got hurt last year, no? Taylor, Winn, Hughes, both Bryants all lost for big chunks of time?
That is why our run defense suffered.
Hasn't Desmond Bryant been hurt a bunch? All of our DL got hurt last year, no? Taylor, Winn, Hughes, both Bryants all lost for big chunks of time?
That is why our run defense suffered.
Yes....lots of injuries and constant line up changes.....though Bryant was one of the more heathy ones this year. He missed a couple games early, with a wrist problem, but was there for most of the season......
Though there is not one single Browns lineman who didn't miss games due to injury....
In my view, it was Phil Taylor and John Hughes who went down early and caused the most problems with their absence.....
Then you add Rubin and all our big bodies were out......Winn, Bryant and a bunch of reserves were left to carriy it ....like Fua, Meder & Kitchen....
So, while I know we are all clamoring to draft DL early( and a great NT would be awesome!!! )....I believe the line will be MUCH improved just with the return of our starters....
heck, at this time last year, everyone said DL was our strength.....so, when healthy, they should be again?
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Did Bryant underperform or was he asked to do different things than what Horton asked of him? It seemed to me all of our D lineman were doing a lot less attacking last season. You would "think" that would have meant we would have been better against the run...less lineman getting trapped upfield. Strangely not the case. I still think our front 7 was better overall under Horton and that it was the secondary last year that basically made the season at least somewhat respectable.
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To me...Starks doesn't replace anyone who has left.....IE: He's an end in this system and we stlll have all our ends.
Sheard is OLB and Rubin is NT......neither of which have been addressed yet....
So, 2 new holes to fill......and, by signing Hughes and Stark, it indicates that some of the existing DL are on the bubble......(Winn, Des & A Bryant)....
Roster has 11 D-linemen right now.....and we WILL draft more(1 or 2, Id guess)......and we'll only carry 7....maybe 8....
R. Starks
A. Bryant
D. Bryant
B, Winn
P. Taylor
j. Hughes
I Kitchen
Plus...we still have....Meder, Barnett, McDaniel and Tupou.....plus whomever we pick.....
So, the easy part is to say cut the last 4 guys(mostly practice squad/back up guys)....and kitchen?....though we did just tender him.....
Another possibility is we will cut Des Bryant....who WAY under performed and is our highest paid DL and 5th highest paid Brown(so not worth it).....maybe chop him and his salary??....dunno....
To me...Starks doesn't replace anyone who has left.....IE: He's an end in this system and we stlll have all our ends.
Sheard is OLB and Rubin is NT......neither of which have been addressed yet....
So, 2 new holes to fill......and, by signing Hughes and Stark, it indicates that some of the existing DL are on the bubble......(Winn, Des & A Bryant)....
Roster has 11 D-linemen right now.....and we WILL draft more(1 or 2, Id guess)......and we'll only carry 7....maybe 8....
R. Starks
A. Bryant
D. Bryant
B, Winn
P. Taylor
j. Hughes
I Kitchen
Plus...we still have....Meder, Barnett, McDaniel and Tupou.....plus whomever we pick.....
So, the easy part is to say cut the last 4 guys(mostly practice squad/back up guys)....and kitchen?....though we did just tender him.....
Another possibility is we will cut Des Bryant....who WAY under performed and is our highest paid DL and 5th highest paid Brown(so not worth it).....maybe chop him and his salary??....dunno....
Kitchen stays. As do the Bryants and Taylor. I think Taylor moves inside with Starks and DBryant at the ends, and then ABryant , Winn, Hughes and Kitchen rotate in. Draft not a priority but Taylor needs replaced next year.
Zombo
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To me...Starks doesn't replace anyone who has left.....IE: He's an end in this system and we stlll have all our ends.
Sheard is OLB and Rubin is NT......neither of which have been addressed yet....
So, 2 new holes to fill......and, by signing Hughes and Stark, it indicates that some of the existing DL are on the bubble......(Winn, Des & A Bryant)....
Roster has 11 D-linemen right now.....and we WILL draft more(1 or 2, Id guess)......and we'll only carry 7....maybe 8....
R. Starks
A. Bryant
D. Bryant
B, Winn
P. Taylor
j. Hughes
I Kitchen
Plus...we still have....Meder, Barnett, McDaniel and Tupou.....plus whomever we pick.....
So, the easy part is to say cut the last 4 guys(mostly practice squad/back up guys)....and kitchen?....though we did just tender him.....
Another possibility is we will cut Des Bryant....who WAY under performed and is our highest paid DL and 5th highest paid Brown(so not worth it).....maybe chop him and his salary??....dunno....
Kitchen stays. As do the Bryants and Taylor. I think Taylor moves inside with Starks and DBryant at the ends, and then ABryant , Winn, Hughes and Kitchen rotate in. Draft not a priority but Taylor needs replaced next year.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Kitchen stays. As do the Bryants and Taylor. I think Taylor moves inside with Starks and DBryant at the ends, and then ABryant , Winn, Hughes and Kitchen rotate in. Draft not a priority but Taylor needs replaced next year.
Zombo
I have the impression that the powers picking the Browns draft may give priority to the DL.....so I would predict that one of our 1st rounders....assuming we keep them....would be DL.
But, as noted, the Browns DL would be greatly improved just by guys staying healthy.
But...WTF, this is the Browns, so you know that won't happen.
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I for one am really looking forward to how this D is going to play in 2015. Corner already improved and DL sure to get a run stuffer @ 12 (if not a trade down for Brown from someone wanting to jump another team for a different player). I would be disappointed if we went wr there with the only exception being Cooper or White being available which I doubt.
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Agree, but we haven't exactly shored up out run D as yet.
Once Shelton is off the board I would not get too rambunctious moving down from that #12 slot if Brown is the next best NT prospect on our board. Brown is going to follow Shelton on stage fairly fast.
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i'm really interested to know what we plan on doing at OLB'er with the draft. Obviously we aren't going to address the position in FA otherwise we already would have. I would have to think the Starks signing means that #12 will not be DL.
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i'm really interested to know what we plan on doing at OLB'er with the draft. Obviously we aren't going to address the position in FA otherwise we already would have. I would have to think the Starks signing means that #12 will not be DL.
i'm really interested to know what we plan on doing at OLB'er with the draft. Obviously we aren't going to address the position in FA otherwise we already would have. I would have to think the Starks signing means that #12 will not be DL.
Im curious too.....w/o filling the Sheard gap, you know someone is getting picked high.....unless they REALLY like Mingo....
But I dont see Starks changing our primary need for a NT....So, for me, it's still Shelton or Brown at the top of the list....
At OLB, I see them looking for DE's who they can convert(like Sheard). Not saying thats the plan, but you know they are considering it ....so, with the exception of beasley(who I think they'd grab) I think they'll be looking at DE's more than your traditional LB types....
My guess is they are looking to replace Sheard with a similar hydrid ....Im leaning toward picks like Alvin Dupree, Nate Orchard, Lorenzo Mauldin and Eli Harold.....with the exception of Dupree, these guys are 2nd round and later picks
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To me...Starks doesn't replace anyone who has left.....IE: He's an end in this system and we stlll have all our ends.
Sheard is OLB and Rubin is NT......neither of which have been addressed yet....
So, 2 new holes to fill......and, by signing Hughes and Stark, it indicates that some of the existing DL are on the bubble......(Winn, Des & A Bryant)....
Roster has 11 D-linemen right now.....and we WILL draft more(1 or 2, Id guess)......and we'll only carry 7....maybe 8....
R. Starks
A. Bryant
D. Bryant
B, Winn
P. Taylor
j. Hughes
I Kitchen
Plus...we still have....Meder, Barnett, McDaniel and Tupou.....plus whomever we pick.....
So, the easy part is to say cut the last 4 guys(mostly practice squad/back up guys)....and kitchen?....though we did just tender him.....
Another possibility is we will cut Des Bryant....who WAY under performed and is our highest paid DL and 5th highest paid Brown(so not worth it).....maybe chop him and his salary??....dunno....
Kitchen stays. As do the Bryants and Taylor. I think Taylor moves inside with Starks and DBryant at the ends, and then ABryant , Winn, Hughes and Kitchen rotate in. Draft not a priority but Taylor needs replaced next year.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Kitchen stays. As do the Bryants and Taylor. I think Taylor moves inside with Starks and DBryant at the ends, and then ABryant , Winn, Hughes and Kitchen rotate in. Draft not a priority but Taylor needs replaced next year.
Zombo
So, keep all 7?....plus at least one draftee makes 8.....which is 2 more than we carried last year....so 2 xtra roster spots used here???
and it seems like we could be adding a third QB this year......so 1 xtra roster spot used here too..?
and we only carried 2 extra OL and (I think we could add one here).....so 1 extra spot used here too?(maybe not)
which means 3 to 4 less roster spots elsewhere.....not sure where we'd start choppin tho....(ok wr, but then where?)
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Could Armonty Bryant be a candidate to move to OLB? He has the speed, athleticism, and his size is better suited to play that spot. As a pass-rusher, he is a major improvement over Sheard (IMHO) and he can't be much worse against the run. I wonder if he has any coverage skills...? He worked out as an OLB during the draft process and old reports I've read say he looked good as a LB...
Just a thought...
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Could Armonty Bryant be a candidate to move to OLB? He has the speed, athleticism, and his size is better suited to play that spot. As a pass-rusher, he is a major improvement over Sheard (IMHO) and he can't be much worse against the run. I wonder if he has any coverage skills...? He worked out as an OLB during the draft process and old reports I've read say he looked good as a LB...
Just a thought...
Could Armonty Bryant be a candidate to move to OLB? He has the speed, athleticism, and his size is better suited to play that spot. As a pass-rusher, he is a major improvement over Sheard (IMHO) and he can't be much worse against the run. I wonder if he has any coverage skills...? He worked out as an OLB during the draft process and old reports I've read say he looked good as a LB...
Just a thought...
Gotta say thats not one I had never considered....though he is Krugerish in size....dont have a clue how he'd do....
Though I think we have a lot of guys who could play a lot of places in Pettines system and he's game to put em there....I never know what they're thinking...
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Could Armonty Bryant be a candidate to move to OLB? He has the speed, athleticism, and his size is better suited to play that spot. As a pass-rusher, he is a major improvement over Sheard (IMHO) and he can't be much worse against the run. I wonder if he has any coverage skills...? He worked out as an OLB during the draft process and old reports I've read say he looked good as a LB...
Just a thought...
Gotta say thats not one I had never considered....though he is Krugerish in size....dont have a clue how he'd do....
Though I think we have a lot of guys who could play a lot of places in Pettines system and he's game to put em there....I never know what they're thinking...
Gotta say thats not one I had never considered....though he is Krugerish in size....dont have a clue how he'd do....
Though I think we have a lot of guys who could play a lot of places in Pettines system and he's game to put em there....I never know what they're thinking...
Kruger - 6'4" 270lbs
Sheard - 6'3" 264lbs
Bryant - 6'4" 265lbs
No difference in size to me. If anything, Bryant is even more athletic than both of the others. Remember, Mingo is quite undersized for the position at 6'4" 240lbs. Also, Scott Solomon looked decent the last couple games and he's an OLB.
Last year, Sheard lined up close to the line of scrimmage and even in a 3-point stance much of the time. I wonder if the plan is to utilize Bryant the same way. It just makes too much sense to me...
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I know they like Mingo, but he's not the hybrid jack backer. Mingo is the cover 3-4 OLB'er. I don't think we even have anyone currently on roster that could even remotely adequately fill in for Kruger. As it stands now they'd have to ask Robertson to do it as I think he's the only other guy besides Mingo on the current LB'er corp that could fill that role. Ideally I wish we would have retained Sheard and drafted another LB'er more like the Steelers prototype....that 250lb guy that isn't going to fold completely against the run but can also cover. Beasley would fit that mold real well. Still think we need to pick up a 265-270'ish DE/OLB to spell Kruger. I would actually love for them to convert Armonty to that role as I think that suits him better than the 5 tech. He can spot relief Kruger and come in on certain packages where they're sending the whole squad so he'll put his hand down anyway. And Armonty can of course fill in on the D line as the end as needed. Maybe that's what they have planned with the Starks signing...move Armonty away from the interior and get him out to the edges where he is going to be an absolute beast.
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Gotta say thats not one I had never considered....though he is Krugerish in size....dont have a clue how he'd do....
Though I think we have a lot of guys who could play a lot of places in Pettines system and he's game to put em there....I never know what they're thinking...
Kruger - 6'4" 270lbs
Sheard - 6'3" 264lbs
Bryant - 6'4" 265lbs
No difference in size to me. If anything, Bryant is even more athletic than both of the others. Remember, Mingo is quite undersized for the position at 6'4" 240lbs. Also, Scott Solomon looked decent the last couple games and he's an OLB.
Last year, Sheard lined up close to the line of scrimmage and even in a 3-point stance much of the time. I wonder if the plan is to utilize Bryant the same way. It just makes too much sense to me...
Kruger - 6'4" 270lbs
Sheard - 6'3" 264lbs
Bryant - 6'4" 265lbs
No difference in size to me. If anything, Bryant is even more athletic than both of the others. Remember, Mingo is quite undersized for the position at 6'4" 240lbs. Also, Scott Solomon looked decent the last couple games and he's an OLB.
Last year, Sheard lined up close to the line of scrimmage and even in a 3-point stance much of the time. I wonder if the plan is to utilize Bryant the same way. It just makes too much sense to me...
yeah, it's along the same lines as what I was yakking about above....that me thinks they're gonna grab a DE to be the next OLB...
Just never thought of Bryant....it will be interesting to see what they do(draft wise)....heck, they could move Taylor or Hughes back to nose and then everything changes....again.....oy
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I know Armonty is listed at 265 but you guys know that's that's not accurate right? He's "at least" Krugers weight...likely a little more, pushing 280. He has to be. You cannot play the 5 tech in the NFL at 265
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I know they like Mingo, but he's not the hybrid jack backer. Mingo is the cover 3-4 OLB'er. I don't think we even have anyone currently on roster that could even remotely adequately fill in for Kruger. As it stands now they'd have to ask Robertson to do it as I think he's the only other guy besides Mingo on the current LB'er corp that could fill that role. Ideally I wish we would have retained Sheard and drafted another LB'er more like the Steelers prototype....that 250lb guy that isn't going to fold completely against the run but can also cover. Beasley would fit that mold real well. Still think we need to pick up a 265-270'ish DE/OLB to spell Kruger. I would actually love for them to convert Armonty to that role as I think that suits him better than the 5 tech. He can spot relief Kruger and come in on certain packages where they're sending the whole squad so he'll put his hand down anyway. And Armonty can of course fill in on the D line as the end as needed. Maybe that's what they have planned with the Starks signing...move Armonty away from the interior and get him out to the edges where he is going to be an absolute beast.
Beasley would fit that mold real well.
If I was the coach, Beasley would be the one Im after first....
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I know Armonty is listed at 265 but you guys know that's that's not accurate right? He's "at least" Krugers weight...likely a little more, pushing 280. He has to be. You cannot play the 5 tech in the NFL at 265
I know Armonty is listed at 265 but you guys know that's that's not accurate right? He's "at least" Krugers weight...likely a little more, pushing 280. He has to be. You cannot play the 5 tech in the NFL at 265
yeah...he's got a lot of junk in the trunk.....sure looks bigger to me
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Zombo said:
Kitchen stays. As do the Bryants and Taylor. I think Taylor moves inside with Starks and DBryant at the ends, and then ABryant , Winn, Hughes and Kitchen rotate in. Draft not a priority but Taylor needs replaced next year.
Zombo
So, keep all 7?....plus at least one draftee makes 8.....which is 2 more than we carried last year....so 2 xtra roster spots used here???
and it seems like we could be adding a third QB this year......so 1 xtra roster spot used here too..?
and we only carried 2 extra OL and (I think we could add one here).....so 1 extra spot used here too?(maybe not)
which means 3 to 4 less roster spots elsewhere.....not sure where we'd start choppin tho....(ok wr, but then where?)
So, keep all 7?....plus at least one draftee makes 8.....which is 2 more than we carried last year....so 2 xtra roster spots used here???
and it seems like we could be adding a third QB this year......so 1 xtra roster spot used here too..?
and we only carried 2 extra OL and (I think we could add one here).....so 1 extra spot used here too?(maybe not)
which means 3 to 4 less roster spots elsewhere.....not sure where we'd start choppin tho....(ok wr, but then where?)
Gotta say thats not one I had never considered....though he is Krugerish in size....dont have a clue how he'd do....
Though I think we have a lot of guys who could play a lot of places in Pettines system and he's game to put em there....I never know what they're thinking...
yeah, it's along the same lines as what I was yakking about above....that me thinks they're gonna grab a DE to be the next OLB...
Just never thought of Bryant....it will be interesting to see what they do(draft wise)....heck, they could move Taylor or Hughes back to nose and then everything changes....again.....oy
I was catching up on this thread and bookmarking the ones I wanted to reply to...and they all turned out to be you, Mud.
I think the Starks acquisition frees things up along the line. Starks can play 3-tech or 5-tech. He can play 3-4 NT, he can play 4-3 DE. He's versatile enough and has had experience in most positions along the defensive line to where we might be able to push Bryant to OLB, or Taylor to NT, or Kruger to DE on any given play.
As it stands right now, I foresee us having multiple different packages this season. We could have a package with Starks, Taylor and Winn with their hands in the dirt, and Kruger and Bryant standing up. Hell, we could have a package with Kruger, Mingo, Bryant, Robertson and Dansby all standing up. (Bring back that UFO defense)
I like the thought of adding a pure pass rusher in the draft, but I think we enough versatility and talent right now to easily go into the season with. What I would really love to see is us find either a Kuechly-esque field general at ILB or just a straight up mad dog run stuffer at ILB. One or the other would be nice.
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I know Armonty is listed at 265 but you guys know that's that's not accurate right? He's "at least" Krugers weight...likely a little more, pushing 280. He has to be. You cannot play the 5 tech in the NFL at 265
yeah...he's got a lot of junk in the trunk.....sure looks bigger to me
yeah...he's got a lot of junk in the trunk.....sure looks bigger to me
losing 10-15 lbs and moving outside might be just what he needs. I've been saying for awhile that he's our most technically gifted pass rusher. I wish Kruger would develop some of the hand skills that armonty has....if Kruger could do that he'd be able to get around the edge way more proficiently.
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