Mike Pettine speaks...
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We went through this last year when we could not be forced to do the show (1st year HC exemption). I don't think we have any exeptions that apply this year.
Here are the exemptions from last year. It's still the list as far as I know:
1. Teams that have appeared on Hard Knocks in the last 10 years.
2. Teams with new head coaches.
3. Teams that have made the playoffs in either of the last two years.
This year we can "turn it down" as a first pass response, but if no one else volunteers, then we can be forced to do the show.
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We went through this last year when we could not be forced to do the show (1st year HC exemption). I don't think we have any exeptions that apply this year.
Here are the exemptions from last year. It's still the list as far as I know:
1. Teams that have appeared on Hard Knocks in the last 10 years.
2. Teams with new head coaches.
3. Teams that have made the playoffs in either of the last two years.
This year we can "turn it down" as a first pass response, but if no one else volunteers, then we can be forced to do the show.
We went through this last year when we could not be forced to do the show (1st year HC exemption). I don't think we have any exeptions that apply this year.
Here are the exemptions from last year. It's still the list as far as I know:
1. Teams that have appeared on Hard Knocks in the last 10 years.
2. Teams with new head coaches.
3. Teams that have made the playoffs in either of the last two years.
This year we can "turn it down" as a first pass response, but if no one else volunteers, then we can be forced to do the show.
That leaves 9 eligible teams: Giants, Redskins, Browns, Texans, Jaguars, Titans, Vikings, Buccaneers and Rams.
The Redskins would be one of the teams that could possibly compete with the Browns in terms of QB drama with the RGknee debacle currently going on.
The Buccaneers would be another interesting option, but if no one volunteers, the Browns will most likely be forced to do the damn thing.
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We went through this last year when we could not be forced to do the show (1st year HC exemption). I don't think we have any exeptions that apply this year.
Here are the exemptions from last year. It's still the list as far as I know:
1. Teams that have appeared on Hard Knocks in the last 10 years.
2. Teams with new head coaches.
3. Teams that have made the playoffs in either of the last two years.
This year we can "turn it down" as a first pass response, but if no one else volunteers, then we can be forced to do the show.
That leaves 9 eligible teams: Giants, Redskins, Browns, Texans, Jaguars, Titans, Vikings, Buccaneers and Rams.
The Redskins would be one of the teams that could possibly compete with the Browns in terms of QB drama with the RGknee debacle currently going on.
The Buccaneers would be another interesting option, but if no one volunteers, the Browns will most likely be forced to do the damn thing.
That leaves 9 eligible teams: Giants, Redskins, Browns, Texans, Jaguars, Titans, Vikings, Buccaneers and Rams.
Why in hell are these the "only eligible"?
Only 8 teams have ever done the show. If you count the Browns out that would still leave 23 teams that have never done it.
Do they only take teams with losing seasons? If so, why? That makes no sense
The Redskins would be one of the teams that could possibly compete with the Browns in terms of QB drama with the RGknee debacle currently going on.
The Buccaneers would be another interesting option, but if no one volunteers, the Browns will most likely be forced to do the damn thing.
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OK, having read the article I see that it says that any team that has made the playoffs the last two years, or that does not have a 1st year HC are exempt from appearing.
My only question....what the fuck? I understand the new HC thing.....but to exempt teams that have made the playoffs? Why?
What is the rationale. I see none other than it being arbitrary.
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OK, having read the article I see that it says that any team that has made the playoffs the last two years, or that does not have a 1st year HC are exempt from appearing.
My only question....what the fuck? I understand the new HC thing.....but to exempt teams that have made the playoffs? Why?
What is the rationale. I see none other than it being arbitrary.
OK, having read the article I see that it says that any team that has made the playoffs the last two years, or that does not have a 1st year HC are exempt from appearing.
My only question....what the fuck? I understand the new HC thing.....but to exempt teams that have made the playoffs? Why?
What is the rationale. I see none other than it being arbitrary.
I'm sure partly because they'd want to avoid the minefield that would be "oh, we made the playoffs last year, then nothing changed and we missed the playoffs this year...it's Hard Knocks' fault!"
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I've no idea what hard knocks is because I never watch television. Did Roger Goodell make it mandatory? I hate Roger Goodell.
I've no idea what hard knocks is because I never watch television. Did Roger Goodell make it mandatory? I hate Roger Goodell.
Well, I guess if the league can dictate how high a player can wear his socks, they can dictate this to their owners. Still, the method of choosing who is "eligible" is assinine.
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6) K - said it's possible we draft a Kicker Pettine
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well...I wasn't completely goofy on my mock draft.
Nailed it.
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He said a lot of interesting things today...
1) D-line - Plans to move Phil Taylor to NT, said we can pencil in Taylor & Kitchen there. Said Starks can play all 3 spots, but is mostly a 3-tech DE. Said Hughes will be a 3- and 5-tech DE. He likes Shelton but said he'll probably be long gone by the time we pick
2) OLBs - As I said, he mentioned he could use A.Bryant as an OLB at times, and seems really high on Scott Solomon. Said he still wants to add a pass-rusher and the draft is deep at that position.
3) O-line - Said we could move Bitonio to RT (down the line) and he could even play C, and is interested in a developmental C since Mack's contract is up after this season
4) QB - said JF is doing well in rehab and expects him at OTAs. Also, said no private workout for Mariota b/c O'Connell is so familiar with him. Said trading up for QB is one of the few reasons to trade up... We held private workouts with a few QBs but he wouldn't release which ones
5) CB - likes what he hears about Gilbert's offseason and still sees him as a starter even with T.Williams on board. Said he could see K.Williams or Gilbert inside if T.Williams starts outside.
6) K - said it's possible we draft a Kicker
7) Said the team turned down Hard Knocks, said Manziel getting out of rehab is a factor in that decision
He said a lot of interesting things today...
1) D-line - Plans to move Phil Taylor to NT, said we can pencil in Taylor & Kitchen there. Said Starks can play all 3 spots, but is mostly a 3-tech DE. Said Hughes will be a 3- and 5-tech DE. He likes Shelton but said he'll probably be long gone by the time we pick
2) OLBs - As I said, he mentioned he could use A.Bryant as an OLB at times, and seems really high on Scott Solomon. Said he still wants to add a pass-rusher and the draft is deep at that position.
With regard to the front 7, it looks like instead of re-stacking the deck, Pettine plans to shuffle the cards...
Starks Taylor D.Bryant
Winn Kitchen Hughes
Mingo Dansby Robertson Kruger
Solomon Carder Kirksey A.Bryant
Still looks like Kitchen and Solomon are the weak spots that could use upgraded, but I like moving Phil back to the NT. Horton used him there and Rubin as a DE, but when Pettine came in he switched them... I never understood that... Hopefully Phil can stay healthy and play well, especially on a contract year for him...
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He said a lot of interesting things today...
1) D-line - Plans to move Phil Taylor to NT, said we can pencil in Taylor & Kitchen there. Said Starks can play all 3 spots, but is mostly a 3-tech DE. Said Hughes will be a 3- and 5-tech DE. He likes Shelton but said he'll probably be long gone by the time we pick
2) OLBs - As I said, he mentioned he could use A.Bryant as an OLB at times, and seems really high on Scott Solomon. Said he still wants to add a pass-rusher and the draft is deep at that position.
3) O-line - Said we could move Bitonio to RT (down the line) and he could even play C, and is interested in a developmental C since Mack's contract is up after this season
4) QB - said JF is doing well in rehab and expects him at OTAs. Also, said no private workout for Mariota b/c O'Connell is so familiar with him. Said trading up for QB is one of the few reasons to trade up... We held private workouts with a few QBs but he wouldn't release which ones
5) CB - likes what he hears about Gilbert's offseason and still sees him as a starter even with T.Williams on board. Said he could see K.Williams or Gilbert inside if T.Williams starts outside.
6) K - said it's possible we draft a Kicker
7) Said the team turned down Hard Knocks, said Manziel getting out of rehab is a factor in that decision
4) QB - said JF is doing well in rehab and expects him at OTAs. Also, said no private workout for Mariota b/c O'Connell is so familiar with him. Said trading up for QB is one of the few reasons to trade up... We held private workouts with a few QBs but he wouldn't release which ones
Also said Manziel should be given the chance to be "the guy" as long as he can get/stay on the field...
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Appreciate the update 23. Good stuff. Here's a link that captures a short press conference/interview with Pettine The Dawg today that hits on a few of the things you mentioned:
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Do people seriously not understand that the Commissioner only enforces rules set by a majority of the owners?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Will any team volunteer to do the HBO show this year? Seems like there are a lot of downside to doing the show with the distraction. More so this year for the Browns with JM coming out of rehab. The owners may have voted on this but I don't like this set up. The Browns may be stuck with no choice but to have the HBO cameras if no other team volunteers.
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Do people seriously not understand that the Commissioner only enforces rules set by a majority of the owners?
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He said a lot of interesting things today...
1) D-line - Plans to move Phil Taylor to NT, said we can pencil in Taylor & Kitchen there. Said Starks can play all 3 spots, but is mostly a 3-tech DE. Said Hughes will be a 3- and 5-tech DE. He likes Shelton but said he'll probably be long gone by the time we pick
2) OLBs - As I said, he mentioned he could use A.Bryant as an OLB at times, and seems really high on Scott Solomon. Said he still wants to add a pass-rusher and the draft is deep at that position.
3) O-line - Said we could move Bitonio to RT (down the line) and he could even play C, and is interested in a developmental C since Mack's contract is up after this season
4) QB - said JF is doing well in rehab and expects him at OTAs. Also, said no private workout for Mariota b/c O'Connell is so familiar with him. Said trading up for QB is one of the few reasons to trade up... We held private workouts with a few QBs but he wouldn't release which ones
5) CB - likes what he hears about Gilbert's offseason and still sees him as a starter even with T.Williams on board. Said he could see K.Williams or Gilbert inside if T.Williams starts outside.
6) K - said it's possible we draft a Kicker
7) Said the team turned down Hard Knocks, said Manziel getting out of rehab is a factor in that decision
Don't think they can technically turn down Hard Knocks this year, though. Pretty sure that they can be forced to do it.
Don't think they can technically turn down Hard Knocks this year, though. Pretty sure that they can be forced to do it.
It will be a hard sell to Haslam & Pettine- if they tell Goodell they don't want the cameras on Johnny Rehab just yet.
I'd bet they can turn them down. There are 31 other teams.....and only 9* have been on that show before. That means they have 22 other teams that have not done it. They can find one. Let the Steelers do it...or the Eagles or Redskins.....more intriguing story lines there.
*Ravens, Cowboys, Chiefs, Bengals, Jets, Dolphins, Bengals again, Falcons.
(so actually 23 other teams besides Browns and the above have not done it.)
Yeah- teams that make the playoffs should be eligible. Heck, the NFL could tell HBO- "not this year" They won't I'm sure HBO pays them a healthy chunk of change.
The Browns will be on HBO.... Embrace it. I for one can't wait to get a look behind the curtain.
You enjoy Real Housewives of Atlanta or Survivor too? If there's not a story- Create one.
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I sincerely doubt that the NFL controlled film will paint any team in a bad light. I think we are being pussies. why leave the perception of the team up to assholes like Jason LaCanfora?
WSS
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so let's say the browns are forced to do it. manziel comes back to camp and it's the main plot line of the show. if manziel fizzles out under the pressure and even worse goes back to doing stupid stuff, would there be a basis for a lawsuit thrown at the browns, the nfl and HBO by a manziel camp stacked with high price lawyers, arguing some mental duress?
i know the players are the 'property' of the team they play for but when did individual rights go out the window? doesn't each player have to sign off on this? anywhere else in america to be filmed the co. needs a waiver from each individual. what if manziel says no, don't film me?
my concern isn't so much with the other players, it's with manziel. and for all those that want to give this guy another chance (hell, i'm on the bottom of that list) don't you think throwing hollywood back in front of this kid as soon as he steps out of rehab, a recipe for disaster?
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NFL is entertainment. They make money off the show. Manziel seems to be the main attraction of the media. They want him to fuck up. I could see them making the Browns do it. Manziel is a commodity. If he falls off the wagon the media will eat it up. The NFL won't give a shit.
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As a Browns fan I want what is best for the team. Pettine has already said he does not want the distraction of doing this show with JM just coming out of rehab. Will HBO honor that or force the Browns to do the show if no other team volunteers? We'll see. I just don't see HBO having the best interest of the Browns here.
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