Navy Bans Chaplain
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I disagree with you saying I was confused....
For the reason I mentioned, I'm not sure how you can equate pedophilia and homosexuality in that way. Using it as a scare tactic to say "if one is legal, then the other has to be too! They're both born like that!" is flawed reasoning.
I disagree with you saying I was confused....
For the reason I mentioned, I'm not sure how you can equate pedophilia and homosexuality in that way. Using it as a scare tactic to say "if one is legal, then the other has to be too! They're both born like that!" is flawed reasoning.
That's not the point at all. You really are confused.
The flawed reasoning is thinking that because someone is born a particular way should carry a classification of right or wrong or normal.
Society determines the right and wrong.
WSS
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I don't care what's "normal". I'm 6'4", that's not normal. It's genetic though.
Anyone making the argument "gay marriage should be illegal because its abnormal" is making a terrible argument.
Likewise, saying "being gay is normal, so it should be legal" also isn't much of any argument.
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I don't care what's "normal". I'm 6'4", that's not normal. It's genetic though.
Anyone making the argument "gay marriage should be illegal because its abnormal" is making a terrible argument.
Likewise, saying "being gay is normal, so it should be legal" also isn't much of any argument.
Actually it probably is normal woody. I'd say anywhere from 4 feet up to seven feet is within the range of normal. Not normal might be being born without arms or legs or with a cleft palate or Siamese twins.I don't care what's "normal". I'm 6'4", that's not normal. It's genetic though.
Anyone making the argument "gay marriage should be illegal because its abnormal" is making a terrible argument.
Likewise, saying "being gay is normal, so it should be legal" also isn't much of any argument.
But yes that example would be a terrible reason to argue against gay marriage. The morality of gay marriage is decided by society. and though we only have polling data it seems like most people don't care.
WSS
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I guess it depends on your definition of normal. There are a higher percentage of gays in the world than men 6'4" or taller
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In the end, taking an old book as your infallible truth, with no other reasoning other than faith, doesn't make much sense to me.
In the end, taking an old book as your infallible truth, with no other reasoning other than faith, doesn't make much sense to me.
I understand where you are coming from, faith does not make sense sometimes. One of our best friends is a gay woman who we treat like family. She knows we can never approve of her lifestyle. We just try and set a good example for her by how we live.
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I don't care what's "normal". I'm 6'4", that's not normal. It's genetic though.
Anyone making the argument "gay marriage should be illegal because its abnormal" is making a terrible argument.
Likewise, saying "being gay is normal, so it should be legal" also isn't much of any argument.
I'm 6'4" so if at least two people in this limited scale are that height it's not exactly abnormalI don't care what's "normal". I'm 6'4", that's not normal. It's genetic though.
Anyone making the argument "gay marriage should be illegal because its abnormal" is making a terrible argument.
Likewise, saying "being gay is normal, so it should be legal" also isn't much of any argument.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
In the end, taking an old book as your infallible truth, with no other reasoning other than faith, doesn't make much sense to me.
I understand where you are coming from, faith does not make sense sometimes. One of our best friends is a gay woman who we treat like family. She knows we can never approve of her lifestyle. We just try and set a good example for her by how we live.
I understand where you are coming from, faith does not make sense sometimes. One of our best friends is a gay woman who we treat like family. She knows we can never approve of her lifestyle. We just try and set a good example for her by how we live.
Ok, but why can't you tolerate it? Why does your faith have to include thinking the gay lifestyle is sin? And does this mean you need to follow everything in the bible word for word?
Don't you think it I a little arrogant to say, by not being gay, you're setting a good example for her?
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
I'm 6'4" so if at least two people in this limited scale are that height it's not exactly abnormalI don't care what's "normal". I'm 6'4", that's not normal. It's genetic though.
Anyone making the argument "gay marriage should be illegal because its abnormal" is making a terrible argument.
Likewise, saying "being gay is normal, so it should be legal" also isn't much of any argument.
I'm 6'4" so if at least two people in this limited scale are that height it's not exactly abnormal
That's not how statistics works, lol
But, my point is the whole "normal / abnormal" thing is really how you define it. If gay is abnormal, so is 6'4". If 6'4" is normal, so is gay
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Listen this is one of the areas where I'm actually quite liberal. I literally do not give the first shit if gay people get married. If their choices aren't hurting you or anyone else leave then alone to do their thing. Abortion is hurting people. Gay marriage is not.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
I understand where you are coming from, faith does not make sense sometimes. One of our best friends is a gay woman who we treat like family. She knows we can never approve of her lifestyle. We just try and set a good example for her by how we live.
Ok, but why can't you tolerate it? Why does your faith have to include thinking the gay lifestyle is sin? And does this mean you need to follow everything in the bible word for word?
Don't you think it I a little arrogant to say, by not being gay, you're setting a good example for her?
Ok, but why can't you tolerate it? Why does your faith have to include thinking the gay lifestyle is sin? And does this mean you need to follow everything in the bible word for word?
Don't you think it I a little arrogant to say, by not being gay, you're setting a good example for her?
I think she would tell you we set a good example for her even if we cannot approve of her lifestye.
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In the end, taking an old book as your infallible truth, with no other reasoning other than faith, doesn't make much sense to me.
In the end, taking an old book as your infallible truth, with no other reasoning other than faith, doesn't make much sense to me.
Woody - thank you for that statement. It shows you are reasonable and are allowed to disagree.
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In the end, taking an old book as your infallible truth, with no other reasoning other than faith, doesn't make much sense to me.
I understand where you are coming from, faith does not make sense sometimes. One of our best friends is a gay woman who we treat like family. She knows we can never approve of her lifestyle. We just try and set a good example for her by how we live.
I understand where you are coming from, faith does not make sense sometimes. One of our best friends is a gay woman who we treat like family. She knows we can never approve of her lifestyle. We just try and set a good example for her by how we live.
Would you expect her to approve of your lifestyle? What exactly is it in the writings of an old book that makes you right and her wrong? Do you realize how much this world has changed in the time between the bible and now? Of course you do. Devil's advocate asks what makes you right and her wrong?
"The purpose of the military is to kill people and break things " - mike huckabee -
Listen this is one of the areas where I'm actually quite liberal. I literally do not give the first shit if gay people get married. If their choices aren't hurting you or anyone else leave then alone to do their thing. Abortion is hurting people. Gay marriage is not.
Listen this is one of the areas where I'm actually quite liberal. I literally do not give the first shit if gay people get married. If their choices aren't hurting you or anyone else leave then alone to do their thing. Abortion is hurting people. Gay marriage is not.
How does abortion hurt people?
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In the end, taking an old book as your infallible truth, with no other reasoning other than faith, doesn't make much sense to me.
Woody - thank you for that statement. It shows you are reasonable and are allowed to disagree.
Woody - thank you for that statement. It shows you are reasonable and are allowed to disagree.
Thanks?
I mean, to each your own. I think we'd be better off without religion, but I have no right to tell you what to believe.
The issue arises when religious beliefs actually affect and discriminate against others.
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I understand where you are coming from, faith does not make sense sometimes. One of our best friends is a gay woman who we treat like family. She knows we can never approve of her lifestyle. We just try and set a good example for her by how we live.
Would you expect her to approve of your lifestyle? What exactly is it in the writings of an old book that makes you right and her wrong? Do you realize how much this world has changed in the time between the bible and now? Of course you do. Devil's advocate asks what makes you right and her wrong?
Would you expect her to approve of your lifestyle? She does approve of my lifestyle What exactly is it in the writings of an old book that makes you right and her wrong? It is the truth Do you realize how much this world has changed in the time between the bible and now? Technology changes but people do not change Of course you do. Devil's advocate asks what makes you right and her wrong? the book I believe to be God's word which you think of as just an old book
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How do you know it is the truth?
(I'm really not trying to be combative here, I just want to see where this goes, and you have been very cooperative so far)
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How do you know it is the truth?
(I'm really not trying to be combative here, I just want to see where this goes, and you have been very cooperative so far)
How do you know it is the truth?
(I'm really not trying to be combative here, I just want to see where this goes, and you have been very cooperative so far)
I could google search why the bible is the truth and give you many answers but then you could google search why the bible isn't the truth and find things to counter it. I could give you scriptures but that would be from a book you don't believe in. I really don't know how I could prove it to you. I have read stories where atheists read the bible to prove it wrong only to become believers. The answer is truth has to be revealed 1 Cor 2:14 but now I am back giving you an answer from a book you don't believe in.
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Liberals strongly tend to not believe in anything
greater than themselves.
They can't handle not being the all important focus of everything.
Don't believe in our Flag, Constitution, patriotism, God, Bible, real marriage,
suv's, pickup trucks, Jesus, military, our borders, history, our RIGHT to have GUNS, and they hate
anybody who does, pretty much. That's just a short list.
But they do embrace any cause that will denigrate any of the above.
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Liberals strongly tend to not believe in anything
greater than themselves.
They can't handle not being the all important focus of everything.
Don't believe in our Flag, Constitution, patriotism, God, Bible, real marriage,
suv's, pickup trucks, Jesus, military, our borders, history, our RIGHT to have GUNS, and they hate
anybody who does, pretty much. That's just a short list.
But they do embrace any cause that will denigrate any of the above.
Liberals strongly tend to not believe in anything
greater than themselves.
They can't handle not being the all important focus of everything.
Don't believe in our Flag, Constitution, patriotism, God, Bible, real marriage,
suv's, pickup trucks, Jesus, military, our borders, history, our RIGHT to have GUNS, and they hate
anybody who does, pretty much. That's just a short list.
But they do embrace any cause that will denigrate any of the above.
Can you go away? We were having a very nice conversation in here.
OldBrownsFan I think we have a different definition of the word truth and I will respectfully agree to disagree.
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Of course, you have a different definition of truth. It's what libs do - they just are
never wrong, they just change definitions of words and subjects.
After all, when they believe that nothing is greater than themselves, it's important
to do whatever it takes to never have to honestly appraise issues. They just
twist words around, in really ignorant bursts of emotionalist venting.
Like you just did, blowey.
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