Pass rusher at #12
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How different, given their combine performances, are Beasely and Bud Dupree?
I was athinkin that Dupree may be a star in the pros, too.
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How different, given their combine performances, are Beasely and Bud Dupree?
I was athinkin that Dupree may be a star in the pros, too.
How different, given their combine performances, are Beasely and Bud Dupree?
I was athinkin that Dupree may be a star in the pros, too.
Beasley is far more athletic in space, able to consistently get around the corner yet has some strength and a counter move.
Dupree relies heavily on a consistent bull rush and his abilities as a player are about as maxed as they'll get.
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How different, given their combine performances, are Beasely and Bud Dupree?
I was athinkin that Dupree may be a star in the pros, too.
Beasley is far more athletic in space, able to consistently get around the corner yet has some strength and a counter move.
Dupree relies heavily on a consistent bull rush and his abilities as a player are about as maxed as they'll get.
Beasley is far more athletic in space, able to consistently get around the corner yet has some strength and a counter move.
Do we really know this? Only ask as we have not seen him play with the added weight.
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Do we really know this? Only ask as we have not seen him play with the added weight.
I'd think the scouts raving that he's maintained his speed during the drills and combine showing leans towards a yes.
If he showed signs of visibly being slower then I would have some serious concern. Weight aside, having a counter pass rush move that Dupree simply lacks still stands.
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If Shelton is still there at 12 and the Browns draft him, would it make sense to draft Maxx Williams at 19?
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If Shelton is still there at 12 and the Browns draft him, would it make sense to draft Maxx Williams at 19?
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If Shelton is still there at 12 and the Browns draft him, would it make sense to draft Maxx Williams at 19?
If Shelton is still there at 12 and the Browns draft him, would it make sense to draft Maxx Williams at 19?
I'm not following your logic.
I also do not see what many of you guys see in Maxx. He's a poor, poor man's Jason Witten, and unless you're a transcendent once-in-a-lifetime TE like Gronkowski—who, oddly enough, wasn't even drafted in the first round—i'd stay away from drafting one in the first round. We have much more pressing needs.
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TE position takes too long to learn to spend a first rounder on IMO, we need immediate contributors in R1.
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If Shelton is still there at 12 and the Browns draft him, would it make sense to draft Maxx Williams at 19?
I'm not following your logic.
I also do not see what many of you guys see in Maxx. He's a poor, poor man's Jason Witten, and unless you're a transcendent once-in-a-lifetime TE like Gronkowski—who, oddly enough, wasn't even drafted in the first round—i'd stay away from drafting one in the first round. We have much more pressing needs.
I also do not see what many of you guys see in Maxx.
Agree... folks are overreacting to Cam's departure.
That and there's that clip of Maxx hurdling a player. Best I can guess is it awoke a longing for Peyton Hillis' return...
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Unfortunately I think the franchise is still in the "Best Available Talent" with the one exception of cornerback/safety.
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We go best available talent. Honestly I rather get a reciever before a pass rusher. If our D stays healthy they are a top 10 Defense. Our offense needs so much work it only makes sense to get someone that is a reliable deep threat. Bowe Hartline Hawkins and Benjiman/Gabriel is not scaring any defense.
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We go best available talent. Honestly I rather get a reciever before a pass rusher. If our D stays healthy they are a top 10 Defense. Our offense needs so much work it only makes sense to get someone that is a reliable deep threat. Bowe Hartline Hawkins and Benjiman/Gabriel is not scaring any defense.
We go best available talent. Honestly I rather get a reciever before a pass rusher. If our D stays healthy they are a top 10 Defense. Our offense needs so much work it only makes sense to get someone that is a reliable deep threat. Bowe Hartline Hawkins and Benjiman/Gabriel is not scaring any defense.
Kruger had to have an epidural last year because he was literally playing every down the entire season. And that was with Sheard still on the team. Yes the Mingo injury meant that Kruger and Sheard had to pull more duty..with all 3 healthy we would have had a better rotation. But now that Sheards gone you wanna go through the season with zero depth? We have guys that could "possibly" fill Mingo's will spot but no one right now save perhaps if they think they can convert Armonty to the jack spot....can spell Kruger. We absolutely have to replace Sheard if they're not going to have Armonty pull some LB'er duty.
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We go best available talent. Honestly I rather get a reciever before a pass rusher. If our D stays healthy they are a top 10 Defense. Our offense needs so much work it only makes sense to get someone that is a reliable deep threat. Bowe Hartline Hawkins and Benjiman/Gabriel is not scaring any defense.
Kruger had to have an epidural last year because he was literally playing every down the entire season. And that was with Sheard still on the team. Yes the Mingo injury meant that Kruger and Sheard had to pull more duty..with all 3 healthy we would have had a better rotation. But now that Sheards gone you wanna go through the season with zero depth? We have guys that could "possibly" fill Mingo's will spot but no one right now save perhaps if they think they can convert Armonty to the jack spot....can spell Kruger. We absolutely have to replace Sheard if they're not going to have Armonty pull some LB'er duty.
Kruger had to have an epidural last year because he was literally playing every down the entire season. And that was with Sheard still on the team. Yes the Mingo injury meant that Kruger and Sheard had to pull more duty..with all 3 healthy we would have had a better rotation. But now that Sheards gone you wanna go through the season with zero depth? We have guys that could "possibly" fill Mingo's will spot but no one right now save perhaps if they think they can convert Armonty to the jack spot....can spell Kruger. We absolutely have to replace Sheard if they're not going to have Armonty pull some LB'er duty.
So you go LB in the first round for a back up? Go first round for someone who will not play every down? No. You don't waste a first rounder on someone who is going to play a couple plays and learn on the bench. Especially at Lb. 3rd 4th 5th rounds imo is better and makes more sense. We need more help in offense. We can't win games with a laughable offense.
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We go best available talent. Honestly I rather get a reciever before a pass rusher. If our D stays healthy they are a top 10 Defense. Our offense needs so much work it only makes sense to get someone that is a reliable deep threat. Bowe Hartline Hawkins and Benjiman/Gabriel is not scaring any defense.
Kruger had to have an epidural last year because he was literally playing every down the entire season. And that was with Sheard still on the team. Yes the Mingo injury meant that Kruger and Sheard had to pull more duty..with all 3 healthy we would have had a better rotation. But now that Sheards gone you wanna go through the season with zero depth? We have guys that could "possibly" fill Mingo's will spot but no one right now save perhaps if they think they can convert Armonty to the jack spot....can spell Kruger. We absolutely have to replace Sheard if they're not going to have Armonty pull some LB'er duty.
Kruger had to have an epidural last year because he was literally playing every down the entire season. And that was with Sheard still on the team. Yes the Mingo injury meant that Kruger and Sheard had to pull more duty..with all 3 healthy we would have had a better rotation. But now that Sheards gone you wanna go through the season with zero depth? We have guys that could "possibly" fill Mingo's will spot but no one right now save perhaps if they think they can convert Armonty to the jack spot....can spell Kruger. We absolutely have to replace Sheard if they're not going to have Armonty pull some LB'er duty.
While I agree if you have 2 players equally rated talent wise I'd go defense over WR at this point. I don't think you simply draft a DT or OLB simply to get another guy in the rotation.
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Personally I am pretty sure we are now going pass rusher at #12. Shelton will be gone (probably Chicago).
Randy Gregory and Dante Fowler will be gone but I'd love Shane Ray to fall to us, he is a warrior and exactly what they want "play like a Brown" to mean.
Personally I am pretty sure we are now going pass rusher at #12. Shelton will be gone (probably Chicago).
Randy Gregory and Dante Fowler will be gone but I'd love Shane Ray to fall to us, he is a warrior and exactly what they want "play like a Brown" to mean.
2 different publications have mock drafts that had Ray, Beasley, Fowler and Gregory off the board by pick #10 BEFORE we got the news Gregory couldn't refrain from marijuana again.
That pretty much puts us in a position of do we blow of any 1st or 2nd rated prospects at other positions we need help with to take the 5th or 6th highest rated pass rusher at #12? I think this is where we need to go BPA instead of forcing something else...
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Personally I am pretty sure we are now going pass rusher at #12. Shelton will be gone (probably Chicago).
Randy Gregory and Dante Fowler will be gone but I'd love Shane Ray to fall to us, he is a warrior and exactly what they want "play like a Brown" to mean.
2 different publications have mock drafts that had Ray, Beasley, Fowler and Gregory off the board by pick #10 BEFORE we got the news Gregory couldn't refrain from marijuana again.
That pretty much puts us in a position of do we blow of any 1st or 2nd rated prospects at other positions we need help with to take the 5th or 6th highest rated pass rusher at #12? I think this is where we need to go BPA instead of forcing something else...
2 different publications have mock drafts that had Ray, Beasley, Fowler and Gregory off the board by pick #10 BEFORE we got the news Gregory couldn't refrain from marijuana again.
That pretty much puts us in a position of do we blow of any 1st or 2nd rated prospects at other positions we need help with to take the 5th or 6th highest rated pass rusher at #12? I think this is where we need to go BPA instead of forcing something else...
or trade back......??
I now have 7 guys I like at #12....and 13 overall that I like at #19.....meaning all the ones Id like to pick could easily be gone.....so trades, reaches or BPA become the options.....(and I hate reaches)......
so, trade back and gain a couple picks?.....or pick a RB, SS or TE where you'd rather pick D?......some ugly scenarios are likely, if your askin me...
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fuck the trade back, i want a james harrison type LB or a Suh type DL with pick 12, this D is a ILB and a DL away from being an elite D. Then get me a RT at pick 19. After that go PBA with the rest of the picks.
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fuck the trade back, i want a james harrison type LB or a Suh type DL with pick 12, this D is a ILB and a DL away from being an elite D. Then get me a RT at pick 19. After that go PBA with the rest of the picks.
fuck the trade back, i want a james harrison type LB or a Suh type DL with pick 12, this D is a ILB and a DL away from being an elite D. Then get me a RT at pick 19. After that go PBA with the rest of the picks.
While I don't think many of us disagree you may not find anything better at #12 than you would at #19 based on draft order. If you get "your" guy at #19 and trade #12 for a later first and a third you may get two guys you love in the first round and another guy in the third that makes you deeper.
Remember we thought Gilbert at #8 was another lockdown corner.....still thinking
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