Roger Goodell: We take Browns texting "VERY SERIOUSLY"
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To me, thats an obvious attempt to cheat and/or hurt the other team........a thousand times worse than any text.....(I hope)
And that's where I think I disagree with everyone on this board, must be I'm wrong
, while I do think crowd noise is a deliberate way to try and get a competitive advantage I really don't have the txt messages to know what was said. I've been speaking under the assumption that Farmer was not texting Shanahan dinner reservations but actual information he thought would increase the Browns success on the field. If Farmer was texting, "you suck at you job" or "the offense doesn't look good" he should be fired for being a fucking idiot. Now if they were, "dude Gordon isn't running hard so don't throw it to him" or "c'mon run the ball more they are weak on the outside" that would be trying to gain a competitive advantage, even though a bad attempt.I really don't have the txt messages to know what was said. I've been speaking under the assumption that Farmer was not texting Shanahan dinner reservations but actual information he thought would increase the Browns success on the field. If Farmer was texting, "you suck at you job" or "the offense doesn't look good" he should be fired for being a fucking idiot. Now if they were, "dude Gordon isn't running hard so don't throw it to him" or "c'mon run the ball more they are weak on the outside" that would be trying to gain a competitive advantage, even though a bad attempt.
Clearly you dont get the issue here.....The texts content is not the point.....he can tell the coaches anything he wants. It's simply the vehicle he used to deliver the message.....
First, if Farmer was offering any insight that our press box staff was not, then we need better coaches.
Second, I wonder... if Ray had simply stuck his head into the coaches box and made the comments he texted, would that violate a rule?
No....it would not have violated the rules and THATS what he should have done.....
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I really don't have the txt messages to know what was said. I've been speaking under the assumption that Farmer was not texting Shanahan dinner reservations but actual information he thought would increase the Browns success on the field. If Farmer was texting, "you suck at you job" or "the offense doesn't look good" he should be fired for being a fucking idiot. Now if they were, "dude Gordon isn't running hard so don't throw it to him" or "c'mon run the ball more they are weak on the outside" that would be trying to gain a competitive advantage, even though a bad attempt.
Clearly you dont get the issue here.....The texts content is not the point.....he can tell the coaches anything he wants. It's simply the vehicle he used to deliver the message.....
First, if Farmer was offering any insight that our press box staff was not, then we need better coaches.
Second, I wonder... if Ray had simply stuck his head into the coaches box and made the comments he texted, would that violate a rule?
No....it would not have violated the rules and THATS what he should have done.....
Clearly you dont get the issue here.....The texts content is not the point.....he can tell the coaches anything he wants. It's simply the vehicle he used to deliver the message.....
No....it would not have violated the rules and THATS what he should have done.....
I have posting all along that the content doesn't matter, it is simply the breaking of the rule that Goddell cares about, but everyone in here is hanging their hats on, "it's no big deal the Browns didn't get a competitive advantage so anything bigger than a $20,000 fine is excessive". And my point with the above is why break a rule for no reason? If Farmer didn't think what he had to say was pertinent to the moment and the success of the team or he "McNabb'd" it and didn't know he was breaking a rule he's an idiot.
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Clearly you dont get the issue here.....The texts content is not the point.....he can tell the coaches anything he wants. It's simply the vehicle he used to deliver the message.....
No....it would not have violated the rules and THATS what he should have done.....
I have posting all along that the content doesn't matter, it is simply the breaking of the rule that Goddell cares about, but everyone in here is hanging their hats on, "it's no big deal the Browns didn't get a competitive advantage so anything bigger than a $20,000 fine is excessive". And my point with the above is why break a rule for no reason? If Farmer didn't think what he had to say was pertinent to the moment and the success of the team or he "McNabb'd" it and didn't know he was breaking a rule he's an idiot.
I have posting all along that the content doesn't matter, it is simply the breaking of the rule that Goddell cares about, but everyone in here is hanging their hats on, "it's no big deal the Browns didn't get a competitive advantage so anything bigger than a $20,000 fine is excessive". And my point with the above is why break a rule for no reason? If Farmer didn't think what he had to say was pertinent to the moment and the success of the team or he "McNabb'd" it and didn't know he was breaking a rule he's an idiot.
If he cares about breaking rules as much as you say he does - I can't wait to see him hand down punishment in the form of draft picks to those teams that violated the rules of contacting FAs before they were supposed to this year. It's been announced the Commissioner was really upset about that so we'll see how willing he is to punish all teams equally. There's a reason he's lost so much trust in the area of treating all teams equally when they break rules. You'll get there when enough of us get you examples of this as well as seeing what he does in similar instances moving forward. History rarely lies.
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I have posting all along that the content doesn't matter, it is simply the breaking of the rule that Goddell cares about, but everyone in here is hanging their hats on, "it's no big deal the Browns didn't get a competitive advantage so anything bigger than a $20,000 fine is excessive". And my point with the above is why break a rule for no reason? If Farmer didn't think what he had to say was pertinent to the moment and the success of the team or he "McNabb'd" it and didn't know he was breaking a rule he's an idiot.
If he cares about breaking rules as much as you say he does - I can't wait to see him hand down punishment in the form of draft picks to those teams that violated the rules of contacting FAs before they were supposed to this year. It's been announced the Commissioner was really upset about that so we'll see how willing he is to punish all teams equally. There's a reason he's lost so much trust in the area of treating all teams equally when they break rules. You'll get there when enough of us get you examples of this as well as seeing what he does in similar instances moving forward. History rarely lies.
If he cares about breaking rules as much as you say he does - I can't wait to see him hand down punishment in the form of draft picks to those teams that violated the rules of contacting FAs before they were supposed to this year. It's been announced the Commissioner was really upset about that so we'll see how willing he is to punish all teams equally. There's a reason he's lost so much trust in the area of treating all teams equally when they break rules. You'll get there when enough of us get you examples of this as well as seeing what he does in similar instances moving forward. History rarely lies.
I don't know other than the Jets calling out the Patriots any other claims that have been made. Teams can actually negotiate 3 days prior to free agency starting but cannot actually execute a contract until the free agent period begins. So I'm not sure, again other than the Jet & Patriots, which teams are crying foul.
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Wait a minute bacon, Ray farmer should be fired for texting that Kyle Shanahan was a fucking idiot? Please...
WSS
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Wait a minute bacon, Ray farmer should be fired for texting that Kyle Shanahan was a fucking idiot? Please...
WSS
Wait a minute bacon, Ray farmer should be fired for texting that Kyle Shanahan was a fucking idiot? Please...
WSS
If Farmer costs the Browns #12 for sending a txt to Shanahan an idiot, yes if I were Haslam I'd fire him.
If the Browns have to give up #19, I'd have him apologize again and announce that the team has placed him on organizational probation. The probation is PR BS but it shows that everyone is held to a standard not just players.
If it's later than a 1st rounder or simply a cash fine I'd let it go away and chalk it up to a lesson learned.
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To me, thats an obvious attempt to cheat and/or hurt the other team........a thousand times worse than any text.....(I hope)
And that's where I think I disagree with everyone on this board, must be I'm wrong
, while I do think crowd noise is a deliberate way to try and get a competitive advantage I really don't have the txt messages to know what was said. I've been speaking under the assumption that Farmer was not texting Shanahan dinner reservations but actual information he thought would increase the Browns success on the field. If Farmer was texting, "you suck at you job" or "the offense doesn't look good" he should be fired for being a fucking idiot. Now if they were, "dude Gordon isn't running hard so don't throw it to him" or "c'mon run the ball more they are weak on the outside" that would be trying to gain a competitive advantage, even though a bad attempt.And that's where I think I disagree with everyone on this board, must be I'm wrong
, while I do think crowd noise is a deliberate way to try and get a competitive advantage I really don't have the txt messages to know what was said. I've been speaking under the assumption that Farmer was not texting Shanahan dinner reservations but actual information he thought would increase the Browns success on the field. If Farmer was texting, "you suck at you job" or "the offense doesn't look good" he should be fired for being a fucking idiot. Now if they were, "dude Gordon isn't running hard so don't throw it to him" or "c'mon run the ball more they are weak on the outside" that would be trying to gain a competitive advantage, even though a bad attempt.Tour alluded to this....
So what's the difference between that and a coach in the pressbox saying exactly the same things? It's OK to do it over headphones, but texting is bad, bad, BAD?
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In my mind the text was innocent enough and not the same as...say....a phone call. With 2 way communication and intent.
No...I see a text as more of an email...or message....that could just be a normal memo type of communication...
Ima keep harping on it......and it doesn't eliminate Farmer from all the liability here......but the RULES are no phones on the sidelines....and it wasn't Farmer who was on the side line using his phone.....
and Im also gonna guess that, along with his expectation that Shanny's phone was off, Farmer also never expected his Offensive Coordinator to snitch his team out to the press and bring all this down on his own players, co workers and boss....
Has any coach EVER done this to his own team????
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And that's where I think I disagree with everyone on this board, must be I'm wrong
, while I do think crowd noise is a deliberate way to try and get a competitive advantage I really don't have the txt messages to know what was said. I've been speaking under the assumption that Farmer was not texting Shanahan dinner reservations but actual information he thought would increase the Browns success on the field. If Farmer was texting, "you suck at you job" or "the offense doesn't look good" he should be fired for being a fucking idiot. Now if they were, "dude Gordon isn't running hard so don't throw it to him" or "c'mon run the ball more they are weak on the outside" that would be trying to gain a competitive advantage, even though a bad attempt.Tour alluded to this....
So what's the difference between that and a coach in the pressbox saying exactly the same things? It's OK to do it over headphones, but texting is bad, bad, BAD?
Tour alluded to this....
So what's the difference between that and a coach in the pressbox saying exactly the same things? It's OK to do it over headphones, but texting is bad, bad, BAD?
In my personal opinion there is no difference but unfortunately I don't make or enforce the rules for the NFL. And I'm not so concerned with what was gained as I am with what we will lose. As I've said in this thread numerous times it is up to players, coaches, GMs and owners to know the rules and follow them. I hold Farmer to the same standard as I would a player regarding breaking the rules and cost to the team. It just seems from comments in this thread that breaking an NFL rule is much less important than the qualitative guessing of the advantage gained, the validity of the rule itself and the relationship of other rules infractions.
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In my mind the text was innocent enough and not the same as...say....a phone call. With 2 way communication and intent.
No...I see a text as more of an email...or message....that could just be a normal memo type of communication...
Ima keep harping on it......and it doesn't eliminate Farmer from all the liability here......but the RULES are no phones on the sidelines....and it wasn't Farmer who was on the side line using his phone.....
and Im also gonna guess that, along with his expectation that Shanny's phone was off, Farmer also never expected his Offensive Coordinator to snitch his team out to the press and bring all this down on his own players, co workers and boss....
Has any coach EVER done this to his own team????
In my mind the text was innocent enough and not the same as...say....a phone call. With 2 way communication and intent.
No...I see a text as more of an email...or message....that could just be a normal memo type of communication...
Ima keep harping on it......and it doesn't eliminate Farmer from all the liability here......but the RULES are no phones on the sidelines....and it wasn't Farmer who was on the side line using his phone.....
and Im also gonna guess that, along with his expectation that Shanny's phone was off, Farmer also never expected his Offensive Coordinator to snitch his team out to the press and bring all this down on his own players, co workers and boss....
Has any coach EVER done this to his own team????
ya think ANY NFL coach would NOT snitch his team out??......Its aginst
That's where we will agree to disagree
I'm going to hold final judgment out until the Browns receive their penalty but if it is as severe as some are reporting I won't care about Farmer's intent, Shanahan's morals (or lack there of) or whether or not the Patriots cheat. I'll care about what our GM knowingly, or for being inept, cost the franchise.
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ok....fair enough....Im certainly not happy with him....thats for sure...
Allow me this....since the "content" isnt at issue....and Goodell has already publicly stated this by saying its simply because "he broke the rule and not what he said"....then can we allow that the league set the precedent for this infraction when they fined Palamalamalua $10,000???
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Here's another one where the head coach made a call to team officials from the sideline......$25,000 fine.....
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2281519
So, there it is again....the precedent has been established.....
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If he cares about breaking rules as much as you say he does - I can't wait to see him hand down punishment in the form of draft picks to those teams that violated the rules of contacting FAs before they were supposed to this year. It's been announced the Commissioner was really upset about that so we'll see how willing he is to punish all teams equally. There's a reason he's lost so much trust in the area of treating all teams equally when they break rules. You'll get there when enough of us get you examples of this as well as seeing what he does in similar instances moving forward. History rarely lies.
I don't know other than the Jets calling out the Patriots any other claims that have been made. Teams can actually negotiate 3 days prior to free agency starting but cannot actually execute a contract until the free agent period begins. So I'm not sure, again other than the Jet & Patriots, which teams are crying foul.
I don't know other than the Jets calling out the Patriots any other claims that have been made. Teams can actually negotiate 3 days prior to free agency starting but cannot actually execute a contract until the free agent period begins.
The Jets filing is petty retaliation for the Pats legit tampering filing when Jets owner, Woody Johnson said in a published interview, that the Jets would like Revis back. He said this during the period when Revis was still under contract with the Pats giving them exclusive negotiating rights.
As I understand it the League's "outcry" was around the fact that deals and terms were being finalized over the weekend starting with Suh and the Fins. This was over the new, imaginary, "OK to express interest and a deal framework" line that replaced the previous nudge nudge wink wink, "we know you're talking, but will ignore it" line of previous years. No real difference, but at least teams had the good sense not to openly ignore the prior prohibition.
In my mind the text was innocent enough and not the same as...say....a phone call. With 2 way communication and intent.
No...I see a text as more of an email...or message....that could just be a normal memo type of communication...
Ima keep harping on it......and it doesn't eliminate Farmer from all the liability here......but the RULES are no phones on the sidelines....and it wasn't Farmer who was on the side line using his phone.....
and Im also gonna guess that, along with his expectation that Shanny's phone was off, Farmer also never expected his Offensive Coordinator to snitch his team out to the press and bring all this down on his own players, co workers and boss....
Has any coach EVER done this to his own team????
All true... but if the phone is off, then a note pad was a viable option... or at least a draft e-mail.
Content, time sent and time read should all be known by the league. With interviews long complete I've no idea why no action has been taken.
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I hope that stops baconpound from stammering bs about it all.
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In my mind the text was innocent enough and not the same as...say....a phone call. With 2 way communication and intent.
No...I see a text as more of an email...or message....that could just be a normal memo type of communication...
Ima keep harping on it......and it doesn't eliminate Farmer from all the liability here......but the RULES are no phones on the sidelines....and it wasn't Farmer who was on the side line using his phone.....
and Im also gonna guess that, along with his expectation that Shanny's phone was off, Farmer also never expected his Offensive Coordinator to snitch his team out to the press and bring all this down on his own players, co workers and boss....
Has any coach EVER done this to his own team????
ya think ANY NFL coach would NOT snitch his team out??......Its aginst
That's where we will agree to disagree
I'm going to hold final judgment out until the Browns receive their penalty but if it is as severe as some are reporting I won't care about Farmer's intent, Shanahan's morals (or lack there of) or whether or not the Patriots cheat. I'll care about what our GM knowingly, or for being inept, cost the franchise.
That's where we will agree to disagree
I'm going to hold final judgment out until the Browns receive their penalty but if it is as severe as some are reporting I won't care about Farmer's intent, Shanahan's morals (or lack there of) or whether or not the Patriots cheat. I'll care about what our GM knowingly, or for being inept, cost the franchise.
man, you are one hardass. i hope you never fuck up on your job and have a boss as prick-headed as you.
god bless your wife and kids. geeez.
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Here's another one where the head coach made a call to team officials from the sideline......$25,000 fine.....
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2281519
So, there it is again....the precedent has been established.....
Here's another one where the head coach made a call to team officials from the sideline......$25,000 fine.....
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2281519
So, there it is again....the precedent has been established.....
I think it more closely resembles SpyGate which is what makes me nervous.
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That's where we will agree to disagree
I'm going to hold final judgment out until the Browns receive their penalty but if it is as severe as some are reporting I won't care about Farmer's intent, Shanahan's morals (or lack there of) or whether or not the Patriots cheat. I'll care about what our GM knowingly, or for being inept, cost the franchise.
man, you are one hardass. i hope you never fuck up on your job and have a boss as prick-headed as you.
god bless your wife and kids. geeez.
man, you are one hardass. i hope you never fuck up on your job and have a boss as prick-headed as you.
god bless your wife and kids. geeez.
Mik I'm as flawed as the next guy. I also think all things aren't equal. If the guy forgets my sweet n sour sauce at McDonald's that's different then a guy in charge of a $100 million dollar payroll costing that team possible greatness. With the ascension to GM there are many more responsibilities and consequences.
Oh and rest easy no second generation bacons running wild out there.
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Well here's to me being shocked and disgusted if any of these chicken shit offences cost anybody a first round pick. inflate gate noise gate text gate not enough toilet paper in the mens shitter gate...
WSS
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A first this year and 2nd next year is the word.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. -
the nfl's way of leveling the playing field considering we have 10 picks.
expect serious hate mail goodell.
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