Farmer suspended first 4 games of season, fined $250k
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If the Browns fired every GM after one/two years w/out letting them develop talent and implement their plan, they'd be the Browns.
Maybe I missed the joke, but does anyone else find it funny that this is a tweet from a former Browns board member?
Maybe I missed the joke, but does anyone else find it funny that this is a tweet from a former Browns board member?
He wasn't funny.
Hes not suspended until the day of the 1st game for one. Second, it's all the same scouting team, they'll just need to appoint a new trigger man for 4 weeks... The only way that goes south is if Haslam takes it upon himself to step into that role...
Kuharich is well qualified to fill in- and I'm sure Farmer will leave him a complete set of notes before the suspension kicks in.
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Should be fined and suspended for passing on Watkins and drafting Manziel in the 1st round. We had 2 first round picks including a top 5 and managed to come away with a worse haul then the majority of teams with only one pick outside the top 10. Look at the ratbirds getting Mosley 17th overall. Ozzie Newsome put us to shame with a fraction of what we had to work with. Could you imagine what a real GM like Newsome or Ted Thompson could have done with our picks? They would have their teams set for YEARS. We didn't even get the best CB in the draft class at 8 overall and got alcoholic Tim Tebow who will be out the league in a matter of years. I hate being a Browns fan, HOW do you mess up a top 5 pick and additional 1st rounder? HOW?
Absolutely, if you don't take into account Ozzie drafting Duane Starks, Travis Taylor, Kyle Boller, Mark Clayton, Michael Oher, and Jimmy Smith, he just nailed everything in the 1st round.
Absolutely, if you don't take into account Ozzie drafting Duane Starks, Travis Taylor, Kyle Boller, Mark Clayton, Michael Oher, and Jimmy Smith, he just nailed everything in the 1st round.
Oher was a nice role player in their SB run, they don't win that SB without him, I don't think they consider him a failed draft pick at all. Jimmy Smith is a top 15 CB when he's healthy, don't know what you're talking about there. Smith will get a very nice contract with the ratbirds, he has injury concerns but there's no denying his talent. I hope Gilbert can develop into a Jimmy Smith type man-to-man corner. I would kill to have Ozzie back in Cleveland as GM, he's one of the best in the business. Only 4 failed 1st rounders in 18 years as GM is impressive.
Baltimore and New England are who we should be striving to emulate as far as how they build through the draft and compete year after year. They know how to play the system, they develop quality talent on low cap hit rookie contracts, they try to re-sign only the best one's they developed and let the others get big contracts elsewhere so they can accumulate compensatory picks and start the process all over again.
Despite the botched 1st round last year I do like a lot of what our front office has done thus far in FA. I think we're finally turning the corner in our philosophy and this new regime is starting to find their footing, hopefully that carries over into the draft. I'll be the first to admit my bitterness has reached a fever pitch with this franchise but there is finally a glimmer of hope at the end of the tunnel. Forgive me for my venting but if I can't do it here then where else can I?
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Sadly, this is 100% correct
no it's not. you might want to think that NOW, but we have 2 first rounders that might actually turn into something.
a CB i believe will become a starter and a QB who you personally touted as the next best thing last year who might be able to pull up his boot straps and become someone as well.
don't start the coulda, woulda, shoulda bullshit again because every GM and team can say the same thing.
it ain't only the browns.
no it's not. you might want to think that NOW, but we have 2 first rounders that might actually turn into something.
a CB i believe will become a starter and a QB who you personally touted as the next best thing last year who might be able to pull up his boot straps and become someone as well.
don't start the coulda, woulda, shoulda bullshit again because every GM and team can say the same thing.
it ain't only the browns.
I'm simply stating that Ozzie had done a fantastic job there. They are constantly reloading.
They lost 8 starters (2 hall of famers and a 2 pro bowlers in one offseason) and then went 8-8 and the AFC championship the year after.
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I think Gilbert will still improve a lot, that's a guy to definitely remain positive about. But I'm not buying the glass half full bs on Manziel for a damn second...We took the bait and for some fans it's easier on the ego to hold onto false hope than to call a spade a spade. Dysfunctional person, small hands, terrible decision making, throws absolute ducks, can be sacked with one hand while getting blocked...guys like Brees and Wilson have physical tools that Johnny doesn't, it goes beyond just saying "Oh they're the same height, Johnny can emulate what they do". The only thing NFL level about Johnny is his ability to scramble around in the pocket and extend plays just as long as a DL doesn't breathe on him and get a sack.
Johnny's game was never built for the NFL... Everybody is bigger, faster, stronger, and better coached.. db's break on his throws light years before the ball actually arrives and DL toss him to the ground with one hand while being still being blocked like they were playing with a child. These aren't typical "rookie mistakes", this is merely a player who doesn't have the physical to be effective at this level of competition. I'm not basing my entire evaluation just based on the Bengals game either, this is exactly what so many scouts predicted would happen to him at the next level since he declared.
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WTF is it with Sammie Watkins love in on here, he was about the fifth (at best) rookie receiver last year.
Oh and he's so good Buffalo are doing everything they now can to set themselves up to run the ball on every play
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Why Mik, I'm SHOCKED! Are you actually saying that a draft can't be judged after ONE year? You mean players can actually IMPROVE after year one? REALLY? Is that even POSSIBLE?
Mike
it boggles the mind!
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Maybe I missed the joke, but does anyone else find it funny that this is a tweet from a former Browns board member?
He wasn't funny.
Hes not suspended until the day of the 1st game for one. Second, it's all the same scouting team, they'll just need to appoint a new trigger man for 4 weeks... The only way that goes south is if Haslam takes it upon himself to step into that role...
Kuharich is well qualified to fill in- and I'm sure Farmer will leave him a complete set of notes before the suspension kicks in.
He wasn't funny.
Kuharich is well qualified to fill in- and I'm sure Farmer will leave him a complete set of notes before the suspension kicks in.
Farmer notes:
1. Leave your cell phone at home
2. Let Pettine decide when JM comes in the game
3. Do not make any trades while I'm gone
4. Leave only Gatoraide next to Johnny at all times
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WTF is it with Sammie Watkins love in on here, he was about the fifth (at best) rookie receiver last year.
Oh and he's so good Buffalo are doing everything they now can to set themselves up to run the ball on every play
WTF is it with Sammie Watkins love in on here, he was about the fifth (at best) rookie receiver last year.
Oh and he's so good Buffalo are doing everything they now can to set themselves up to run the ball on every play
So much ignorance in one post. Context is not your strongsuit.
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Not as bad as we feared, but not nothing. There's a lot of player movement after the last Pre-season game that Ray will not be able to participate in...
Hes not suspended until the day of the 1st game for one. Second, it's all the same scouting team, they'll just need to appoint a new trigger man for 4 weeks... The only way thay goes south is if Haslam takes it upon himself to step into that role...
Hes not suspended until the day of the 1st game for one. Second, it's all the same scouting team, they'll just need to appoint a new trigger man for 4 weeks... The only way thay goes south is if Haslam takes it upon himself to step into that role...
Good... different from I heard yesterday. But while less, still not nothing...
"The suspension without pay will start on midnight of the Sunday before the Browns' first regular-season game and will end immediately after the Browns' fourth regular season game, meaning Farmer can be involved in the final roster decisions at the end of August. However, he will absent for the many key acquisitions that take place in the first month of the season, and he will miss a key month of the trading period, which ends in late October."
I'll be the first to admit my bitterness has reached a fever pitch with this franchise but there is finally a glimmer of hope at the end of the tunnel. Forgive me for my venting but if I can't do it here then where else can I?
This is the place... It's just that we've been down the road with which you opened your Browns Board journey many, many times.
Welcome aboard...
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WTF is it with Sammie Watkins love in on here, he was about the fifth (at best) rookie receiver last year.
Oh and he's so good Buffalo are doing everything they now can to set themselves up to run the ball on every play
WTF is it with Sammie Watkins love in on here, he was about the fifth (at best) rookie receiver last year.
I dont get it either.....FWIW, PFF has him as #13 rated rookie WR................so there's that.....
And fyi......Taylor Gabriel was rated as the #4 rookie WR.....behind only Beckham, Evans and Landry....
But, for what ever reason, people dont want to accept that we scored a good one.......or that Farmer found him without spending 2 first rounders....
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WTF is it with Sammie Watkins love in on here, he was about the fifth (at best) rookie receiver last year.
I dont get it either.....FWIW, PFF has him as #13 rated rookie WR................so there's that.....
And fyi......Taylor Gabriel was rated as the #4 rookie WR.....behind only Beckham, Evans and Landry....
But, for what ever reason, people dont want to accept that we scored a good one.......or that Farmer found him without spending 2 first rounders....
I dont get it either.....FWIW, PFF has him as #13 rated rookie WR................so there's that.....
And fyi......Taylor Gabriel was rated as the #4 rookie WR.....behind only Beckham, Evans and Landry....
But, for what ever reason, people dont want to accept that we scored a good one.......or that Farmer found him without spending 2 first rounders....
But it's Sammy Watkins. The guy who will singlehandedly win the Bills a Super Bowl next year. He would have done it this year, but he decided he'd rather build some anticipation.
Come on, everyone knows that.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
By the way Bill, every player will be out of the league in a matter of years. Take that to the bank.
WSS
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I dont get it either.....FWIW, PFF has him as #13 rated rookie WR................so there's that.....
And fyi......Taylor Gabriel was rated as the #4 rookie WR.....behind only Beckham, Evans and Landry....
But, for what ever reason, people dont want to accept that we scored a good one.......or that Farmer found him without spending 2 first rounders....
But it's Sammy Watkins. The guy who will singlehandedly win the Bills a Super Bowl next year. He would have done it this year, but he decided he'd rather build some anticipation.
Come on, everyone knows that.
But it's Sammy Watkins. The guy who will singlehandedly win the Bills a Super Bowl next year. He would have done it this year, but he decided he'd rather build some anticipation.
Come on, everyone knows that.
I quake in fear at the mere mention of his name!
Mike
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where's buffalo george when you need him?
i guess george and mike H are sitting on some white sand beach drinking pina coladas and laughing at us all.......
NOT!
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Absolutely, if you don't take into account Ozzie drafting Duane Starks, Travis Taylor, Kyle Boller, Mark Clayton, Michael Oher, and Jimmy Smith, he just nailed everything in the 1st round.
Oher was a nice role player in their SB run, they don't win that SB without him, I don't think they consider him a failed draft pick at all. Jimmy Smith is a top 15 CB when he's healthy, don't know what you're talking about there. Smith will get a very nice contract with the ratbirds, he has injury concerns but there's no denying his talent. I hope Gilbert can develop into a Jimmy Smith type man-to-man corner. I would kill to have Ozzie back in Cleveland as GM, he's one of the best in the business. Only 4 failed 1st rounders in 18 years as GM is impressive.
Baltimore and New England are who we should be striving to emulate as far as how they build through the draft and compete year after year. They know how to play the system, they develop quality talent on low cap hit rookie contracts, they try to re-sign only the best one's they developed and let the others get big contracts elsewhere so they can accumulate compensatory picks and start the process all over again.
Despite the botched 1st round last year I do like a lot of what our front office has done thus far in FA. I think we're finally turning the corner in our philosophy and this new regime is starting to find their footing, hopefully that carries over into the draft. I'll be the first to admit my bitterness has reached a fever pitch with this franchise but there is finally a glimmer of hope at the end of the tunnel. Forgive me for my venting but if I can't do it here then where else can I?
Oher was a nice role player in their SB run, they don't win that SB without him, I don't think they consider him a failed draft pick at all. Jimmy Smith is a top 15 CB when he's healthy, don't know what you're talking about there. Smith will get a very nice contract with the ratbirds, he has injury concerns but there's no denying his talent.
Other was a 1st round LT that couldn't cut it on the left side of the line and was moved to RT. He was cut in February by the Titans and was picked up by the Panthers. He's on his third NFL team in 6 years, and is currently ranked as #74 out of 78 tackles by PFF. Where I come from that's not a quality 1st rounder.
Smith had a breakout 2014 until his foot injury ended his season. Prior to the 2014 season, he was the Ravens #2 CB behind a mediocre Ladarius Webb. Smith has 3 failed drug tests and an aggravated assault charge in his closet. He "may" prove to be worthy of a 1st round pick in the future, but right now he's a question mark.
I'm not a hater of Ozzie, I actually wish he was the Browns GM. However, not every GM is going to hit on every pick. Ozzie is one of the best, but look how many QB's he's went through before he landed Flacco.
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WTF is it with Sammie Watkins love in on here, he was about the fifth (at best) rookie receiver last year.
Oh and he's so good Buffalo are doing everything they now can to set themselves up to run the ball on every play
WTF is it with Sammie Watkins love in on here, he was about the fifth (at best) rookie receiver last year.
Oh and he's so good Buffalo are doing everything they now can to set themselves up to run the ball on every play
That is absolute bullshit, the kid is only 21 years old he nearly had 1000 yds playing with EJ Manuel and Thad Lewis for christ sake, you're just saying that because we passed on him and want to make yourself feel better.
The only clear cut better rookie WR was OBJ. Watkins, Evans, and Benjamin are closely grouped together in terms of long term potential after just one season. Benjamin benefited from the best QB play and offensive stability and is 3 years older than Watkins, barely out produced him. Evans racked up a lot of garbage time numbers while the Bills were actually in competitive games. Watkins is extremely young and extremely talented, we f'd up by not taking him 4th, flat out.
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is this going to be an eternal sissy whining bitching point?
I'm thinkin I don't care that we don't have Watkins.
He's good, whatever.
He had to figure out how to play in the snow.
The snowstorm was scary to him. I'll be a lot happier with whoever the Browns
draft this next draft at wr.
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is this going to be an eternal sissy whining bitching point?
I'm thinkin I don't care that we don't have Watkins.
He's good, whatever.
He had to figure out how to play in the snow.
The snowstorm was scary to him. I'll be a lot happier with whoever the Browns
draft this next draft at wr.
is this going to be an eternal sissy whining bitching point?
I'm thinkin I don't care that we don't have Watkins.
He's good, whatever.
He had to figure out how to play in the snow.
The snowstorm was scary to him. I'll be a lot happier with whoever the Browns
draft this next draft at wr.
I don't even understand the point you're trying to illustrate, what does playing in the snow have to do with us passing on Watkins or his long term potential?
You'll be happier with whoever we draft at wr this year? What kind of stupid angle are you trying to work with that statement? You have no idea who/when we'll draft a wr, what if we don't draft a guy until the 2nd or 3rd round. Do you realize that last year's wr class was significantly stronger? Do you realize there isn't a wr as good as Watkins in this entire draft in all likelihood? There's nothing we can do about missing out on Watkins, all we can do is move forward. But acting like it wasn't a mistake is just ridiculous.
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