Jameis Winston
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Doesnt seem to have the mental discipline to be successful as an NFL QB. If I was Tampa, I'd take Mariota. 90% of playing QB is between the ears...
Doesnt seem to have the mental discipline to be successful as an NFL QB......... 90% of playing QB is between the ears...
Much smarter men than Marcus Mariota have failed as NFL QBs. Not to mention Jameis is actually pretty football smart.
Discipline vs intelligence vs football smarts = 3 different things......Id say you really only need 2 of them to succeed as QB in the NFL.....
Discipline + football smarts win in my world......(unfortunately, our guy JFF has the intelligence, but not the other 2)....but I think Winston has, at least, the Football smarts & Intelligence......while Mariota seems to have all 3........
You said 90% of playing QB is behind the ears. That's what I was pushing back on.
I have lint behind my ears.......
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Lol
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He's big, strong arm and has made "in the window, pre-break" throws, good enough for me but I can't make the deal for him. I also don't think the Browns can.
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Doesnt seem to have the mental discipline to be successful as an NFL QB......... 90% of playing QB is between the ears...
Much smarter men than Marcus Mariota have failed as NFL QBs. Not to mention Jameis is actually pretty football smart.
Discipline vs intelligence vs football smarts = 3 different things......Id say you really only need 2 of them to succeed as QB in the NFL.....
Discipline + football smarts win in my world......(unfortunately, our guy JFF has the intelligence, but not the other 2)....but I think Winston has, at least, the Football smarts & Intelligence......while Mariota seems to have all 3........
You said 90% of playing QB is behind the ears. That's what I was pushing back on.
I have lint behind my ears.......
Discipline vs intelligence vs football smarts = 3 different things......Id say you really only need 2 of them to succeed as QB in the NFL.....
Discipline + football smarts win in my world......(unfortunately, our guy JFF has the intelligence, but not the other 2)....but I think Winston has, at least, the Football smarts & Intelligence......while Mariota seems to have all 3........
I have lint behind my ears.......
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Johnny was regarded as pretty football-smart. I remember Gruden was wowed in the film room. Now he doesn't always make the best decisions on the field (or off, obviously), so maybe you point at that to say he's not football smart. But as far as diagnosing defenses I thought I recalled him being pretty sharp.
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Discipline vs intelligence vs football smarts = 3 different things......Id say you really only need 2 of them to succeed as QB in the NFL.....
Discipline + football smarts win in my world......(unfortunately, our guy JFF has the intelligence, but not the other 2)....but I think Winston has, at least, the Football smarts & Intelligence......while Mariota seems to have all 3........
I have lint behind my ears.......
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Johnny was regarded as pretty football-smart. I remember Gruden was wowed in the film room. Now he doesn't always make the best decisions on the field (or off, obviously), so maybe you point at that to say he's not football smart. But as far as diagnosing defenses I thought I recalled him being pretty sharp.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Johnny was regarded as pretty football-smart. I remember Gruden was wowed in the film room. Now he doesn't always make the best decisions on the field (or off, obviously), so maybe you point at that to say he's not football smart. But as far as diagnosing defenses I thought I recalled him being pretty sharp.
I guess it's just what your interpretation of football smart is.......
At the NFL level, Id say it was ability reading Defenses and an innate knowledge of how the offense works.....plus, the ability to learn and understand the play book.....
For example, just watch this Marriucci/Winston tape and see how well Winston does at the chalk board.....(here)
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine-total-access/0ap3000000473191/Mooch-puts-Winston-to-the-test
With JFF, he didnt even have a play book and ran more of a school yard offense, mostly predicated on him "making something happen"......and, when he got here, it was VERY clear he didn't know or understand the complexities of the NFL game......
So, yeah, Jff has intelligence and great football instincts....but I dont think he's "football smart" in terms of the NFL and doesn't have knowledge a successful NFL quarterback should have in terms of pro style offensive and defensive sets, etc....
and because of his school and the simple O they ran, he's been behind the eight ball since coming out, compared to guys like Winston or Mariota, who ran much more complex systems.....
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Winston has been on the #1 QB radar for a while now whereas Russell shot up the boards like a rocket after a bowl game.
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Doesnt seem to have the mental discipline to be successful as an NFL QB. If I was Tampa, I'd take Mariota. 90% of playing QB is between the ears...
Doesnt seem to have the mental discipline to be successful as an NFL QB. If I was Tampa, I'd take Mariota. 90% of playing QB is between the ears...
No, 90% of playing QB in the NFL is being able to throw. Mariota is a poor man's Jake Locker in the throwing department. Winston's ability smarts and maturity are a mirror image of roethlisberger.
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Winston seems way more vocal and alpha-male like then Jamarcus ever did. The thing I've always liked about Jameis is the fact that he rallies the team back (even though his interceptions often caused the deficits)
Still Mariota will be the better player. The mastery of his "system" and his efficiency were absolutely incredible.
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can't throw if you're suspended.
and he's dumb enough to be THAT guy.
mariota's character has never been in question and i'll wager he's plays more games in his career than winston.
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Doesnt seem to have the mental discipline to be successful as an NFL QB. If I was Tampa, I'd take Mariota. 90% of playing QB is between the ears...
No, 90% of playing QB in the NFL is being able to throw. Mariota is a poor man's Jake Locker in the throwing department. Winston's ability smarts and maturity are a mirror image of roethlisberger.
No, 90% of playing QB in the NFL is being able to throw. Mariota is a poor man's Jake Locker in the throwing department. Winston's ability smarts and sexual morays are a mirror image of roethlisberger.
Fixed
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Doesnt seem to have the mental discipline to be successful as an NFL QB. If I was Tampa, I'd take Mariota. 90% of playing QB is between the ears...
No, 90% of playing QB in the NFL is being able to throw. Mariota is a poor man's Jake Locker in the throwing department. Winston's ability smarts and maturity are a mirror image of roethlisberger.
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mayock just moved mariota above winston as his #1 QB.
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And what was Mayocks take a year ago?
WSS
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hey, it's a crap shoot. just posting what i saw yesterday. mayock is one of the more respected talking heads when it comes to the draft. that said, no one can predict what can or will happen with any of these kids. hell the whole country thought manziel was the shit last year. turned out he was shit.
hell i was touting justin blackmon years ago and now he's smoking crack with josh gordon on a porch somewhere in missouri.....with some purple drank in his hands.
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Lumbergh doesn't like Mariota because he is from Oregon, not Oregon State. If he had played for Oregon State, he would be slobbering all over him like he did DA.
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Lumbergh doesn't like Mariota because he is from Oregon, not Oregon State. If he had played for Oregon State, he would be slobbering all over him like he did DA.
Lumbergh doesn't like Mariota because he is from Oregon, not Oregon State. If he had played for Oregon State, he would be slobbering all over him like he did DA.
True dat.
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mayock just moved mariota above winston as his #1 QB.
I think Mayock had manziel rated #1 last year, which should invalidate his opinion for five years.
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I think Mayock had manziel rated #1 last year, which should invalidate his opinion for five years.
yep. i was already shown that tidbit above. i'd like to see the percentages of these talking heads on how many they get right vs. how many they get wrong.
btw, the whole nfl network, half the analysts on espn and half the people here got it wrong about manziel.
i personally hated the pick. i guess i should be on tv huh?
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