2015 - FA / Draft / Notes
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Joe Thomas: Johnny Manziel lost trust of locker room last year
Browns quarterback Johnny Manziel might be nearing the end of his rehab, but he still has a way to go before he can legitimately walk back onto the field for his team.
Last year’s first-round pick still has a long climb back to football relevance, after making such a mess of his hand-delivered starting assignment last year. And it’s the way he handled that assignment that makes his teammates wonder.
“I think he’s going to have to prove to the team that football is important and being the man, being the starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns, is important, it is his goal, his single goal in his life,” left tackle Thomas told Tony Grossi of ESPNCleveland.com. “You know, I think he lost probably a lot of trust among the guys on the team last year by the way he handled himself once he became the starter. And I think he had a lot of time to reflect, I’m guessing, after the season was over by the comments he made in the media and by his actions, checking himself into rehab, . . . I think those were really positive steps.
“I’m hoping when we comes back in April we see a new Johnny and everybody’s blown away with his commitment. And I think he’s got the talent, so it’s just a matter of if he commits himself to it, we can have a really good quarterback on our hands.”
Of course, the Browns have covered themselves for the possibility that he won’t by signing Josh McCown, and the fact they’ve been linked with Sam Bradford and Marcus Mariota makes it clear they’re not finished at the position.
“Obviously there’s some uncertainty with Johnny right now and that’s why we brought in Josh,” Thomas said. “He’s a guy that if he’s asked to carry the flag this year, he’s going to do a great job. There’s a chance we draft somebody or there’s a chance Johnny comes back and he’s a new person and he’s rededicated to football, and he turns into the great quarterback that we expected when we drafted him in the first round.”
And doing that might prove to be a bigger hurdle than anything he’s doing off the field.
He has a bit more hope than I do, but then he's been in practice with the guy . . .
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Joe Thomas: Johnny Manziel lost trust of locker room last year
Browns quarterback Johnny Manziel might be nearing the end of his rehab, but he still has a way to go before he can legitimately walk back onto the field for his team.
Last year’s first-round pick still has a long climb back to football relevance, after making such a mess of his hand-delivered starting assignment last year. And it’s the way he handled that assignment that makes his teammates wonder.
“I think he’s going to have to prove to the team that football is important and being the man, being the starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns, is important, it is his goal, his single goal in his life,” left tackle Thomas told Tony Grossi of ESPNCleveland.com. “You know, I think he lost probably a lot of trust among the guys on the team last year by the way he handled himself once he became the starter. And I think he had a lot of time to reflect, I’m guessing, after the season was over by the comments he made in the media and by his actions, checking himself into rehab, . . . I think those were really positive steps.
“I’m hoping when we comes back in April we see a new Johnny and everybody’s blown away with his commitment. And I think he’s got the talent, so it’s just a matter of if he commits himself to it, we can have a really good quarterback on our hands.”
Of course, the Browns have covered themselves for the possibility that he won’t by signing Josh McCown, and the fact they’ve been linked with Sam Bradford and Marcus Mariota makes it clear they’re not finished at the position.
“Obviously there’s some uncertainty with Johnny right now and that’s why we brought in Josh,” Thomas said. “He’s a guy that if he’s asked to carry the flag this year, he’s going to do a great job. There’s a chance we draft somebody or there’s a chance Johnny comes back and he’s a new person and he’s rededicated to football, and he turns into the great quarterback that we expected when we drafted him in the first round.”
And doing that might prove to be a bigger hurdle than anything he’s doing off the field.
He has a bit more hope than I do, but then he's been in practice with the guy . . .
He has a bit more hope than I do, but then he's been in practice with the guy . . .
Yes, Joe does... if you're looking for a flag bearer.
“He’s a guy that if he’s asked to carry the flag this year, he’s going to do a great job... or there’s a chance Johnny comes back and he’s a new person and he’s rededicated to football, and he turns into the great quarterback that we expected when we drafted him in the first round.”
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Hypothetical here with the news that the Titans are shopping #2
Would you like the Browns to trade up to #2 to draft......... Leonard Williams? Keep in mind this would probably cost two 1st Rounders and two 3rd Rounders.
I for one would love this move. I know Farmer gets a lot of shit from a decent percentage of the fan base, but I think he did a great job with the 2nd, 3rd, and UDFA period of last years draft. The eye for "diamond-in-the-rough" talent seems to be there. I just don't want anymore wasted top draft picks, and I think if a trade is there for the best player in the draft, you take it.
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Hypothetical here with the news that the Titans are shopping #2
Would you like the Browns to trade up to #2 to draft......... Leonard Williams? Keep in mind this would probably cost two 1st Rounders and two 3rd Rounders.
I for one would love this move. I know Farmer gets a lot of shit from a decent percentage of the fan base, but I think he did a great job with the 2nd, 3rd, and UDFA period of last years draft. The eye for "diamond-in-the-rough" talent seems to be there. I just don't want anymore wasted top draft picks, and I think if a trade is there for the best player in the draft, you take it.
Hypothetical here with the news that the Titans are shopping #2
Would you like the Browns to trade up to #2 to draft......... Leonard Williams? Keep in mind this would probably cost two 1st Rounders and two 3rd Rounders.
I for one would love this move. I know Farmer gets a lot of shit from a decent percentage of the fan base, but I think he did a great job with the 2nd, 3rd, and UDFA period of last years draft. The eye for "diamond-in-the-rough" talent seems to be there. I just don't want anymore wasted top draft picks, and I think if a trade is there for the best player in the draft, you take it.
If they traded up to #2 it would be for a QB.
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Hypothetical here with the news that the Titans are shopping #2
Would you like the Browns to trade up to #2 to draft......... Leonard Williams? Keep in mind this would probably cost two 1st Rounders and two 3rd Rounders.
I for one would love this move. I know Farmer gets a lot of shit from a decent percentage of the fan base, but I think he did a great job with the 2nd, 3rd, and UDFA period of last years draft. The eye for "diamond-in-the-rough" talent seems to be there. I just don't want anymore wasted top draft picks, and I think if a trade is there for the best player in the draft, you take it.
Hypothetical here with the news that the Titans are shopping #2
Would you like the Browns to trade up to #2 to draft......... Leonard Williams? Keep in mind this would probably cost two 1st Rounders and two 3rd Rounders.
I for one would love this move. I know Farmer gets a lot of shit from a decent percentage of the fan base, but I think he did a great job with the 2nd, 3rd, and UDFA period of last years draft. The eye for "diamond-in-the-rough" talent seems to be there. I just don't want anymore wasted top draft picks, and I think if a trade is there for the best player in the draft, you take it.
Short answer, no.
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NO. That would be a ridiculously dumb move.
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Hmmm.. Surprised by this
I guess I'm about as far away from the terrible NT/RT or NT/WR or OLB/WR 1st Round ideas floated around here.
I'd rather have an elite talent or Mariota then some of these other scenarios
Hmmm.. Surprised by this
I guess I'm about as far away from the terrible NT/RT or NT/WR or OLB/WR 1st Round ideas floated around here.
I'd rather have an elite talent or Mariota then some of these other scenarios
L. Williams is the best prospect in this draft period not Mariota. And they do need a QB. Hearing No on draft trades so what. Offer 12 OR 19, Manziel, Gordon or T. Benjamin(FA 16) or Schwartz (FA 2016). Yea I know, maybe my dumbest post ever. Or is it??
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I agree he is on the 2015 elite short list (and it is a short list), but is Williams the best prospect in this draft for Pet's system?
As for terrible 12/19 combos... there have been a few, but packaging them up with both 3rds trumps is right up (down?) there with them.
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Stand pat and take the 2 of the best 20 players available to be drafted. Would be nice to replace some of the playmakers we lost. Rubin, Sheard, Skrine and Cameron.
We really don't need another CB, which is why I'm not to upset with letting Skrine go, loved that guy but we are stacked at CB right now and I think Buster deserved a payday.
Sheard was a DE/OLB and we have a few of those on the roster. I would love to see Denzel Perryman though in Orange and Brown. The FO missed the boat when they could have taken Burfict but maybe Farmer is smarter than the last crew.
Replacing Rubin will be tough, through and through Cleveland Brown... for years and years, grinding away. I love Rubin, he's a warrior. But, if we can replace Rubin with Danny Shelton I'll consider it a good move, because as good as Rubin has played for us he's not the same caliber of player that Dan Shelton is. There is a reason Shelton is a Top 10 talent and Rubin went in the 6th round.
Losing Cameron was a HUGE BLOW to Cleveland. Not only losing him but the way in which it went about. I've been rooting for him since we first heard about him before the draft when he was taken in the fourth round. I don't think he has injury issues, just the luck of the draw. And any man that lays out for ball like Cam did for those broke ass passes that got him hurt deserves props... that said though, Cam can go fuck himself. Dude burned us for Miami, that's fine Cam, that's fine. Peace out, you made your bed bro. I say replace him with Maxx Williams. First round TE? Yeah, we don't see many of those, so why is this guy a first round talent? Well, he's big as hell, strong and smart. He'll be able to block in the run game(something Cam couldn't do), block in the pass when needed to(something Cam couldn't do) and he'll make the tough catches much like a Todd Heap for the Ravens. Heap was is the Career Receptions for TD leader and played 10 seasons and in two probowls. Williams' dad and his grandpa both played in the NFL, so the pedigree and the knowledge of what it takes is known to him. He could replace Cameron and we wouldn't miss a beat or even know that he was gone.
I'm asking that we take Shelton and Williams at 12 and 19 and that will be a monster first round. Studs on both side of the ball.
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...Although, I see Randy Moss in DGB all over again. That kid with Josh Gordon, will be something special. If Gordon can stay on the right path, that would make for an Amazing Wideout group. DGB, Gordon, Hawkins, Hartline and Benjamin/Bowe. Sweet Jesus, I almost forgot about Gabriel. They are the perfect compliment receivers to players like Gordon and Dorial Green-Beckham.
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Maybe if we were in Colorado
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...Although, I see Randy Moss in DGB all over again. That kid with Josh Gordon, will be something special. If Gordon can stay on the right path, that would make for an Amazing Wideout group. DGB, Gordon, Hawkins, Hartline and Benjamin/Bowe. Sweet Jesus, I almost forgot about Gabriel. They are the perfect compliment receivers to players like Gordon and Dorial Green-Beckham.
...Although, I see Randy Moss in DGB all over again. That kid with Josh Gordon, will be something special. If Gordon can stay on the right path, that would make for an Amazing Wideout group. DGB, Gordon, Hawkins, Hartline and Benjamin/Bowe. Sweet Jesus, I almost forgot about Gabriel. They are the perfect compliment receivers to players like Gordon and Dorial Green-Beckham.
DGB doesn't have the hands, speed or body control like Moss. Though, I don't think anyone ever has..
If anything he's a homeless man's Calvin Johnson.
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Sorry Mud there goes C Stefen Wisniewski to the Jags for a mere 2.5 Million for 1 year. But the door may be open in 2016. Resigning Mack best option IMO before LA finds a Team..
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Sorry Mud there goes C Stefen Wisniewski to the Jags for a mere 2.5 Million for 1 year. But the door may be open in 2016. Resigning Mack best option IMO before LA finds a Team..
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Got a few minutes and ran across this :
Tramon Williams: This is a playoff-caliber team Free agent cornerback knows how to win in the postseason In eight active seasons with the Green Bay Packers,
Tramon Williams
missed the playoffs only once.And even though the Cleveland Browns’ postseason drought has reached its 12th season, the cornerback isn’t booking any tropical vacations for the month of January.
After merely two days of conditioning, lengthy meetings with the defensive coaching staff and chit-chatting with members of his secondary, Williams doesn’t just think the seeds have been planted for Cleveland; he sees key components of winning already starting to bloom.
“This is a playoff-caliber team,” Williams said with conviction Tuesday. “The feeling that I get in the building is that everyone believes.”
If there’s anybody who knows what a playoff team looks like, it’s Williams.
A defensive back with a penchant for taking the right risks, Williams picked off three passes during Green Bay’s improbable 2010 playoff run, capping a Wild Card berth with a Super Bowl win over the Steelers. In total, Williams has played in 13 playoff contests.
A self-described “film junkie,” Williams is obsessed with football -- a characteristic coach Mike Pettine and general manager Ray Farmer said is a priority when they sign a free agent -- and not just from September to January. Every year before OTAs begin, Williams pops in tape of the best cornerbacks in the league in hopes of borrowing some new techniques for the upcoming season.
For the last several years, a regular character in Williams’ film rotation has been Mr. Cleveland himself: Browns Pro Bowl cornerback Joe Haden
.“I like Joe’s game,” Williams said, strongly emphasizing the syllables in like. “It’s kind of similar to mine. That was another opportunity (that made me want) to come in and to play with a guy like that. He plays very, very hard.”
Haden, now entering his sixth season with the Browns, was not shy in admitting it stung to watch his former partner in crime Buster Skrine sign a lucrative offer from the New York Jets. He was happy for his buddy Skrine, but Cleveland was losing a hard-working, well-respected, productive player.
The pain quickly subsided when the Browns announced days later they’d struck a deal with Williams.
“I can just tell from the beginning that he’s a true professional. He does everything the right way,” Haden said of Williams. “He’s got a wife and two kids. We were just hollering at each other earlier about his family that’s still in Houston.
“He knows the game. We are in there going over the playbook and this isn’t his scheme at all – but he just gets it. He’s got everything down pat. I can tell he’s a quick learner. He’s a pro’s pro. He’s going to fit into the room really well.”
It was a tad strange for Williams to see his locker full of orange and brown gear instead of the green and gold. He knows the NFL is a business and changing uniforms is something nearly every player experiences.
It was enthralling for Farmer and Pettine to see Williams and his long dreadlocks in the building during the voluntary portion of offseason workouts. The power pair knows the NFL is a business and getting the right veteran players to change uniforms like Karlos Dansby
and Donte Whitner can lead to more wins.So far, Williams’ uplifting attitude and confidence about winning make him seem like he is that right guy.
“I came in and made myself known to the guys. They took me in with open arms,” Williams said. “That’s just how the chips fall. Guys have been good to me so far, the coaches have been great. I’m liking what I’m hearing from those guys. Hopefully we can get the ball rolling.”
They also changed their Home page with a few of the new Uniforms.
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This should probably be in the Crazy Mariota trade speculation thread, but I'm posting it here as I've been running short on follow time lately, plus it fits in with a few things I posted several weeks back :
Sam Bradford believes Eagles could still trade him, per report
Earlier this week, Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk reported that the Eagles and Sam Bradford have yet to discuss a contract extension to keep the veteran quarterback in Philadelphia. This inaction has caused some to speculate that the Eagles could trade Bradford in a potential 2015 NFL Draft deal that would help them land Oregon Ducks quarterback Marcus Mariota.
According to Jason Cole, Bradford himself believes he might be on the move. Via Bleacher Report:"Contract talks between Sam Bradford and the Philadelphia Eagles have been basically non-existent so far for a very good reason. In talking to sources around the league and close to Bradford, basically what’s happened is Bradford is not willing to accept a substandard deal based on the injuries that he’s suffered the past two years and have kept him off the field.
The reason is really obvious: he has a lot of money left in the bank from that $50 million signing bonus he got being the No. 1 overall pick in 2010.
However, if you go on the other side of this, Bradford wants to play this out and see what his real value is out on the market and assuming that he can get back to the levels that he showed during the early part of the 2013 season.
In addition to all of that, Bradford doesn’t know where he’s going to be. Yes, he believes the Eagles are going to keep him at this point in time, trust them, but only so far because the [2015 NFL Draft] has not played out. So he believes there is still a possibility that he could be traded somewhere else. And if that’s the case, he wants to wait to see whether that’s a team he ultimately wants to stay with long-term."It makes sense that Bradford is in no rush to redo his deal. The oft-injured passer is scheduled to make over $13 million in 2015 and has made a lot of money to this point. He can wait to see how he performs in the 2015 season.
The Eagles might be a little more eager than Bradford to get a deal done if they think they can get him at a reasonable price. But they likely won't be in a rush to hand a big extension to a player with Bradford's injury concerns without seeing him play in Philadelphia first.
Meanwhile, the Mariota factor looms large in all of this. The Eagles really aren't going to be in a rush to sign Bradford if he's not in the long-term plans and they believe they can flip him to get Mariota. The Browns are believed to be one team interested in Bradford, but Cleveland is concerned he won't sign an extension. A report in February indicated some teams at the top of this year's draft order actually prefer Bradford to Jameis Winston and Mariota.
If the Eagles don't get Mariota, however, it'll be interesting to see how they handle Bradford's situation.
Draft is less than a week away, could be an interesting one this year if I get to watch it.
There's also still talk that Rivers could go the Tenn for #2.
Heck, I've even heard we could land Rivers (too old for my liking).
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This should probably be in the Crazy Mariota trade speculation thread, but I'm posting it here as I've been running short on follow time lately, plus it fits in with a few things I posted several weeks back :
Sam Bradford believes Eagles could still trade him, per report
Earlier this week, Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk reported that the Eagles and Sam Bradford have yet to discuss a contract extension to keep the veteran quarterback in Philadelphia. This inaction has caused some to speculate that the Eagles could trade Bradford in a potential 2015 NFL Draft deal that would help them land Oregon Ducks quarterback Marcus Mariota.
According to Jason Cole, Bradford himself believes he might be on the move. Via Bleacher Report:"Contract talks between Sam Bradford and the Philadelphia Eagles have been basically non-existent so far for a very good reason. In talking to sources around the league and close to Bradford, basically what’s happened is Bradford is not willing to accept a substandard deal based on the injuries that he’s suffered the past two years and have kept him off the field.
The reason is really obvious: he has a lot of money left in the bank from that $50 million signing bonus he got being the No. 1 overall pick in 2010.
However, if you go on the other side of this, Bradford wants to play this out and see what his real value is out on the market and assuming that he can get back to the levels that he showed during the early part of the 2013 season.
In addition to all of that, Bradford doesn’t know where he’s going to be. Yes, he believes the Eagles are going to keep him at this point in time, trust them, but only so far because the [2015 NFL Draft] has not played out. So he believes there is still a possibility that he could be traded somewhere else. And if that’s the case, he wants to wait to see whether that’s a team he ultimately wants to stay with long-term."It makes sense that Bradford is in no rush to redo his deal. The oft-injured passer is scheduled to make over $13 million in 2015 and has made a lot of money to this point. He can wait to see how he performs in the 2015 season.
The Eagles might be a little more eager than Bradford to get a deal done if they think they can get him at a reasonable price. But they likely won't be in a rush to hand a big extension to a player with Bradford's injury concerns without seeing him play in Philadelphia first.
Meanwhile, the Mariota factor looms large in all of this. The Eagles really aren't going to be in a rush to sign Bradford if he's not in the long-term plans and they believe they can flip him to get Mariota. The Browns are believed to be one team interested in Bradford, but Cleveland is concerned he won't sign an extension. A report in February indicated some teams at the top of this year's draft order actually prefer Bradford to Jameis Winston and Mariota.
If the Eagles don't get Mariota, however, it'll be interesting to see how they handle Bradford's situation.
Draft is less than a week away, could be an interesting one this year if I get to watch it.
There's also still talk that Rivers could go the Tenn for #2.
Heck, I've even heard we could land Rivers (too old for my liking).
This should probably be in the Crazy Mariota trade speculation thread, but I'm posting it here as I've been running short on follow time lately, plus it fits in with a few things I posted several weeks back :
I posted in the crazy trade thread .........injury concerns would make this move crazy
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Please god no Bradford. He probably blew his knee out during that interview.
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seriously....enough with the Bradford crap......
To put it in perspective......with his track record the last 3 years, where would he go in this years draft......???? hmmm?
No where NEAR the first round.....talk about question marks......2 surgeries and then add that you only get 1 year and he's a FA?
So.......Who in their right mind would make that pick?????
So....who in their right mind would trade 19?......(its the same thing)
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