Walter Scott
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He was charged with murder. You're insinuating that all American Police have a shoot first mentality because you see a few headline news stories. Ferguson, MO was clearly not a shooting in the back. I have seen the video and think this Police Officer is in serious trouble.
But lets rejoice, CNN can now have a 'breaking news' every ten minutes, showing Obama, Holder, Sharpton and Jackson speaking about this. And some more race riots and lootings.
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He was charged with murder. You're insinuating that all American Police have a shoot first mentality because you see a few headline news stories. Ferguson, MO was clearly not a shooting in the back. I have seen the video and think this Police Officer is in serious trouble.
But lets rejoice, CNN can now have a 'breaking news' every ten minutes, showing Obama, Holder, Sharpton and Jackson speaking about this. And some more race riots and lootings.
He was charged with murder. You're insinuating that all American Police have a shoot first mentality because you see a few headline news stories. Ferguson, MO was clearly not a shooting in the back. I have seen the video and think this Police Officer is in serious trouble.
But lets rejoice, CNN can now have a 'breaking news' every ten minutes, showing Obama, Holder, Sharpton and Jackson speaking about this. And some more race riots and lootings.
Yeah there are over a million law enforcement officers and we get one clear cut murder carried out by a police officer. I am sure there are a few more that get through the cracks but even then those numbers are miniscule compared to the number of officers and the number of interactions they have with the public.
I fully expect there to be riots and stupidity which is fucking lovely because I am visiting Charleston, SC in July. North Charleston is basically a ghetto that adjoins to it.
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The problem is not specific to this incident, or the demographic of the people involved. US police have killed about 100 people up to March of this year alone in the line of duty - that's more than one a day. Compare and contrast with other countries in the developed world. For example the stat that came out the other day about US police killing more people this year than UK police since about 1900.
I'm not saying it's racism, discrimination or anything like that, although it maybe plays a part, but there seems to be a shoot first, think sometimes approach to law enforcement in the USA.
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He was charged with murder. You're insinuating that all American Police have a shoot first mentality because you see a few headline news stories. Ferguson, MO was clearly not a shooting in the back. I have seen the video and think this Police Officer is in serious trouble.
But lets rejoice, CNN can now have a 'breaking news' every ten minutes, showing Obama, Holder, Sharpton and Jackson speaking about this. And some more race riots and lootings.
He was charged with murder. You're insinuating that all American Police have a shoot first mentality because you see a few headline news stories. Ferguson, MO was clearly not a shooting in the back. I have seen the video and think this Police Officer is in serious trouble.
But lets rejoice, CNN can now have a 'breaking news' every ten minutes, showing Obama, Holder, Sharpton and Jackson speaking about this. And some more race riots and lootings.
Not all police, I'm sure. But far, far more than there should be. On average, someone is killed every day in the US by the police.
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He was charged with murder. You're insinuating that all American Police have a shoot first mentality because you see a few headline news stories. Ferguson, MO was clearly not a shooting in the back. I have seen the video and think this Police Officer is in serious trouble.
But lets rejoice, CNN can now have a 'breaking news' every ten minutes, showing Obama, Holder, Sharpton and Jackson speaking about this. And some more race riots and lootings.
Not all police, I'm sure. But far, far more than there should be. On average, someone is killed every day in the US by the police.
Not all police, I'm sure. But far, far more than there should be. On average, someone is killed every day in the US by the police.
We have far more people and far more firearms carried by criminals. So while it may be one a day, how many are unjustified? Likely few and far between but I haven't seen the stats. I just know that every time there is even a questionable shooting by officers, the news makes it a giant story.
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Far more people would only be relevant if the numbers were comparable. For example, the US has around 5 times as many people than the UK - there's a bit more than 5 times more police killings in the US.
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Far more people would only be relevant if the numbers were comparable. For example, the US has around 5 times as many people than the UK - there's a bit more than 5 times more police killings in the US.
Far more people would only be relevant if the numbers were comparable. For example, the US has around 5 times as many people than the UK - there's a bit more than 5 times more police killings in the US.
Does that take into account the number of illegally carried firearms by criminals? A criminal brandishing a gun tends to escalate things.
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Far more people would only be relevant if the numbers were comparable. For example, the US has around 5 times as many people than the UK - there's a bit more than 5 times more police killings in the US.
Far more people would only be relevant if the numbers were comparable. For example, the US has around 5 times as many people than the UK - there's a bit more than 5 times more police killings in the US.
And just about twice the number of violent crimes in the UK. I saw an online statistic which stated it was like 5 times higher but checked PolitiFact which said that wasn't true.
So?
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Here are some crime statistics by race in the USA compiled by the FBI. Its 3 years old, but I'm sure its fairly accurate.
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Far more people would only be relevant if the numbers were comparable. For example, the US has around 5 times as many people than the UK - there's a bit more than 5 times more police killings in the US.
And just about twice the number of violent crimes in the UK. I saw an online statistic which stated it was like 5 times higher but checked PolitiFact which said that wasn't true.
So?
WSS
And just about twice the number of violent crimes in the UK. I saw an online statistic which stated it was like 5 times higher but checked PolitiFact which said that wasn't true.
So?
WSS
Does that take into account the number of illegally carried firearms by criminals? A criminal brandishing a gun tends to escalate things.
So...enforce your damn gun laws and the first resort when dealing with "suspicious characters" won't be to shoot them! Yes, this is going to turn in to a gun debate - not what I was aiming for.
The first line of argument when talking about not allowing guns (outside of the constitution, which is a ridiculous argument), is that you need it for protection because the criminals will have guns. Step 1 - stop the criminals having guns. End of steps.
The second is usually for protection from the government. If you think there's even a small chance that the US government would install a dictatorship and seize control of the country militarily then a) you're an idiot and
if they did, how long before Russia and china gleefully joined forces to remove the US military, aided and abetted by the rest of the world?Then comes the "but there are bears in the woods" argument. Sure, absolutely, you may very well need a rifle or shotgun for your protection there. No problem with that. But do we think that most gun crimes are committed with these weapons? A guy wanders in to down town new york carrying a rifle over his back and nobody notices? No. So keep your guns on your farms if you must, if there's no other, more humane (and equally reliable) self defence option.
Did I miss anything?
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We could execute all violent criminals across the board and non violent criminals who use a gun in the commission of that crime.
WSS
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We could execute all violent criminals across the board and non violent criminals who use a gun in the commission of that crime.
WSS
We could execute all violent criminals across the board and non violent criminals who use a gun in the commission of that crime.
WSS
Execute everybody. No crime anymore!
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The one thing I hate with these, is its to hard to find reliable data on police "arrest-related deaths". The FBI allows but doesn't force law agencies to report deaths, which quite a few do not report, the numbers I have found range from an average of 400 a year to an average of 1000(just deaths not if they where justified or not).
On the other hand police deaths are recorded all the time, 127 in 2014 most by non criminal activities(medical, accidents, etc)
Line of Duty Deaths: 127
9/11 related illness: 1
Assault: 2
Automobile accident: 26
Drowned: 2
Duty related illness: 3
Fire: 1
Gunfire: 47
Gunfire (Accidental): 2
Heart attack: 19
Motorcycle accident: 4
Struck by vehicle: 5
Vehicle pursuit: 5
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We could execute all violent criminals across the board and non violent criminals who use a gun in the commission of that crime.
WSS
Execute everybody. No crime anymore!
Actually if I were you Chris I wouldn't worry much about it. Especially in Great Britain it's easy to understand that history goes back further than a hundred or two hundred years. I predict a gun ban here in the US relatively soon. No country remains a free, prosperous, entrepreneurial world power forever. One thing politicians love is to impose more and more rules and regulations on the citizens.Execute everybody. No crime anymore!
They say George Orwell wrote Animal Farm about the Russian Revolution but it could be just as easily be any aging society including Great Britain and the United States. So there will always be some kind of freedom we need to give up for our own good.
like Clint Eastwood said: "We all got it coming"
WSS
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And just about twice the number of violent crimes in the UK. I saw an online statistic which stated it was like 5 times higher but checked PolitiFact which said that wasn't true.
So?
WSS
Does that take into account the number of illegally carried firearms by criminals? A criminal brandishing a gun tends to escalate things.
So...enforce your damn gun laws and the first resort when dealing with "suspicious characters" won't be to shoot them! Yes, this is going to turn in to a gun debate - not what I was aiming for.
The first line of argument when talking about not allowing guns (outside of the constitution, which is a ridiculous argument), is that you need it for protection because the criminals will have guns. Step 1 - stop the criminals having guns. End of steps.
The second is usually for protection from the government. If you think there's even a small chance that the US government would install a dictatorship and seize control of the country militarily then a) you're an idiot and
if they did, how long before Russia and china gleefully joined forces to remove the US military, aided and abetted by the rest of the world?Then comes the "but there are bears in the woods" argument. Sure, absolutely, you may very well need a rifle or shotgun for your protection there. No problem with that. But do we think that most gun crimes are committed with these weapons? A guy wanders in to down town new york carrying a rifle over his back and nobody notices? No. So keep your guns on your farms if you must, if there's no other, more humane (and equally reliable) self defence option.
Did I miss anything?
So...enforce your damn gun laws and the first resort when dealing with "suspicious characters" won't be to shoot them! Yes, this is going to turn in to a gun debate - not what I was aiming for.
The first line of argument when talking about not allowing guns (outside of the constitution, which is a ridiculous argument), is that you need it for protection because the criminals will have guns. Step 1 - stop the criminals having guns. End of steps.
We do enforce our gun laws. It is illegal for a felon to have a firearm. However, where there is a will there is a way. I am sure the murdery types who know murder is illegal and carries life in prison or the death penalty will be deeply concerned about stronger penalties and gun laws.
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Chicago ghettos are a warzone. I doubt they care much about stricter gun laws. The guns are already in the streets. More laws won't change that.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-32213482
Why was he shot? Why did the officer feel the need to shoot him - eight times - in the back as he ran away?
We've had these discussions about police and institutional racism before and people will pretty much believe what they believe. But there certainly seems to be something wrong with the american police force.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-32213482
Why was he shot? Why did the officer feel the need to shoot him - eight times - in the back as he ran away?
We've had these discussions about police and institutional racism before and people will pretty much believe what they believe. But there certainly seems to be something wrong with the american police force.
by American police force do you mean Canadian Police, Mexican Police, Columbian Police?
If you mean police in the US are you referring to local, state, or federal police?
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Chicago ghettos are a warzone. I doubt they care much about stricter gun laws. The guns are already in the streets. More laws won't change that.
Chicago ghettos are a warzone. I doubt they care much about stricter gun laws. The guns are already in the streets. More laws won't change that.
If Detroit had Chicago's population it would be even worse.
but... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/16/chicago-homicide-rate-wor_n_1602692.html
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Chris, this guy who was unjustifiably shot didn't have a gun. The officer is saying
that the idiot went for his stun gun, that he may have already have had out.
So, what is your complaint about American lack of banning guns? You make no sense about this,
it's just another emotional knee-jerky.
And the officer? Will be tried, and probably convicted of murder. The officer had the video to
back up going after the guy to tackle him, handcuff him. He had the guys? car, fingerprints. But he went arrogant out of control rage. Wrong mental makeup for the stress of his job.
and shot the guy, eight times even. He's toast. Policeman road rage, a whole like that.
So, your intended point is ....what exactly?
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