Jameis Winston
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Nope. I wouldn't draft him at all. I'd have better ways to build a team if I were drafting.
Character matters.
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Nope. I wouldn't draft him at all. I'd have better ways to build a team if I were drafting.
Character matters.
Nope. I wouldn't draft him at all. I'd have better ways to build a team if I were drafting.
Character matters.
Character does matter, you're right. And I wouldn't advocate him even playing a down for the Browns before he got his life in order.
At the worst, you waste #12 and get a Ryan Leaf. At best, you get a franchise quarterback who changes his life around and goes on win the Browns a handful of Super Bowls. In between there, you could probably turn him around for a first round pick to a QB needy team in a year.
If he falls to 12, draft him, bench him, give Manziel a fair shot, let McCown mentor Winston on how to be an actual person, and see where we're at next year with him.
Or, it would be a very Browns thing to do for us to be smokescreening all along, and then we trade away both firsts this year, Manziel, and next year's first to move up to #1 and take Winston.
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say the NFL is going to stop pestering Jameis to attend the draft.
IMO there is not enough in this new report to make up minds not already made up.
However, there is enough to get top teams, and any teams considering a trade up for him, to scramble their investigators.
But if on draft day he falls to 12, then I would not touch him.
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Nope. I wouldn't draft him at all. I'd have better ways to build a team if I were drafting.
Character matters.
Character does matter, you're right. And I wouldn't advocate him even playing a down for the Browns before he got his life in order.
At the worst, you waste #12 and get a Ryan Leaf. At best, you get a franchise quarterback who changes his life around and goes on win the Browns a handful of Super Bowls. In between there, you could probably turn him around for a first round pick to a QB needy team in a year.
If he falls to 12, draft him, bench him, give Manziel a fair shot, let McCown mentor Winston on how to be an actual person, and see where we're at next year with him.
Or, it would be a very Browns thing to do for us to be smokescreening all along, and then we trade away both firsts this year, Manziel, and next year's first to move up to #1 and take Winston.
Character does matter, you're right. And I wouldn't advocate him even playing a down for the Browns before he got his life in order.
At the worst, you waste #12 and get a Ryan Leaf. At best, you get a franchise quarterback who changes his life around and goes on win the Browns a handful of Super Bowls. In between there, you could probably turn him around for a first round pick to a QB needy team in a year.
If he falls to 12, draft him, bench him, give Manziel a fair shot, let McCown mentor Winston on how to be an actual person, and see where we're at next year with him.
I am not sure THAT should be McCown's job. How to be a pro QB? Sure.....a real human being...that is something else.
Or, it would be a very Browns thing to do for us to be smokescreening all along, and then we trade away both firsts this year, Manziel, and next year's first to move up to #1 and take Winston.
Or maybe a team below started the rumors and innuendos so that he would drop? Wouldn't that be devious.
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Not to stand up for a rapist, but he hasn't been proven a rapist, yet. I'm hearing a lot of speculation but no solid evidence.
Jameis was the star quarter back on a major college campus, I'm sure girls were throwing their twats at him left and right.
What's more likely?
A. Jameis Winston, whilst wading through a veritable monsoon of college minge, decides to prey on an innocent woman and force his way into her most holy of holies.
B. A drunk coed has sweaty bathroom sex with the big man on campus and then realizes that she can turn his big pay day into her big pay day by simply throwing around a few accusations and filing a civil suit (no criminal charges).
Anyone think there are any lawsuits if Jameis worked at a gas station? there are hoes out there that will try to take athletes for all they're worth, ask Kobe.
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Character does matter, you're right. And I wouldn't advocate him even playing a down for the Browns before he got his life in order.
At the worst, you waste #12 and get a Ryan Leaf. At best, you get a franchise quarterback who changes his life around and goes on win the Browns a handful of Super Bowls. In between there, you could probably turn him around for a first round pick to a QB needy team in a year.
If he falls to 12, draft him, bench him, give Manziel a fair shot, let McCown mentor Winston on how to be an actual person, and see where we're at next year with him.
I am not sure THAT should be McCown's job. How to be a pro QB? Sure.....a real human being...that is something else.
Or, it would be a very Browns thing to do for us to be smokescreening all along, and then we trade away both firsts this year, Manziel, and next year's first to move up to #1 and take Winston.
Or maybe a team below started the rumors and innuendos so that he would drop? Wouldn't that be devious.
Character does matter, you're right. And I wouldn't advocate him even playing a down for the Browns before he got his life in order.
At the worst, you waste #12 and get a Ryan Leaf. At best, you get a franchise quarterback who changes his life around and goes on win the Browns a handful of Super Bowls. In between there, you could probably turn him around for a first round pick to a QB needy team in a year.
If he falls to 12, draft him, bench him, give Manziel a fair shot, let McCown mentor Winston on how to be an actual person, and see where we're at next year with him.
I am not sure THAT should be McCown's job. How to be a pro QB? Sure.....a real human being...that is something else.
Or, it would be a very Browns thing to do for us to be smokescreening all along, and then we trade away both firsts this year, Manziel, and next year's first to move up to #1 and take Winston.
Or maybe a team below started the rumors and innuendos so that he would drop? Wouldn't that be devious.
I say that because McCown is apparently a superior individual off the field, from what I've read. The consummate pro. Even hates porn.
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Not to stand up for a rapist, but he hasn't been proven a rapist, yet. I'm hearing a lot of speculation but no solid evidence.
Jameis was the star quarter back on a major college campus, I'm sure girls were throwing their twats at him left and right.
What's more likely?
A. Jameis Winston, whilst wading through a veritable monsoon of college minge, decides to prey on an innocent woman and force his way into her most holy of holies.
B. A drunk coed has sweaty bathroom sex with the big man on campus and then realizes that she can turn his big pay day into her big pay day by simply throwing around a few accusations and filing a civil suit (no criminal charges).
Anyone think there are any lawsuits if Jameis worked at a gas station? there are hoes out there that will try to take athletes for all they're worth, ask Kobe.
Not to stand up for a rapist, but he hasn't been proven a rapist, yet. I'm hearing a lot of speculation but no solid evidence.
Jameis was the star quarter back on a major college campus, I'm sure girls were throwing their twats at him left and right.
What's more likely?
A. Jameis Winston, whilst wading through a veritable monsoon of college minge, decides to prey on an innocent woman and force his way into her most holy of holies.
B. A drunk coed has sweaty bathroom sex with the big man on campus and then realizes that she can turn his big pay day into her big pay day by simply throwing around a few accusations and filing a civil suit (no criminal charges).
Anyone think there are any lawsuits if Jameis worked at a gas station? there are hoes out there that will try to take athletes for all they're worth, ask Kobe.
Good post and I agree. All the hate for him is laughable.
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Not to stand up for a rapist, but he hasn't been proven a rapist, yet. I'm hearing a lot of speculation but no solid evidence.
Jameis was the star quarter back on a major college campus, I'm sure girls were throwing their twats at him left and right.
What's more likely?
A. Jameis Winston, whilst wading through a veritable monsoon of college minge, decides to prey on an innocent woman and force his way into her most holy of holies.
B. A drunk coed has sweaty bathroom sex with the big man on campus and then realizes that she can turn his big pay day into her big pay day by simply throwing around a few accusations and filing a civil suit (no criminal charges).
Anyone think there are any lawsuits if Jameis worked at a gas station? there are hoes out there that will try to take athletes for all they're worth, ask Kobe.
Good post and I agree. All the hate for him is laughable.
Good post and I agree. All the hate for him is laughable.
I wouldn't say the hate is laughable, it's certainly founded in truth. But I am of the same mindset as Royce...the guy wasn't found guilty. I read every case file and report that was made public. There was consensual acts performed both in the bar as well as in a car. Where the line is muddied is when they get back to the apartment, when the girl supposedly loses consciousness and Winston carries her into the bathroom.
It's not a case of "big man on campus does whatever he wants and hooks up with whomever he wants."
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Good post and I agree. All the hate for him is laughable.
I wouldn't say the hate is laughable, it's certainly founded in truth. But I am of the same mindset as Royce...the guy wasn't found guilty. I read every case file and report that was made public. There was consensual acts performed both in the bar as well as in a car. Where the line is muddied is when they get back to the apartment, when the girl supposedly loses consciousness and Winston carries her into the bathroom.
It's not a case of "big man on campus does whatever he wants and hooks up with whomever he wants."
.I wouldn't say the hate is laughable, it's certainly founded in truth. But I am of the same mindset as Royce...the guy wasn't found guilty. I read every case file and report that was made public. There was consensual acts performed both in the bar as well as in a car. Where the line is muddied is when they get back to the apartment, when the girl supposedly loses consciousness and Winston carries her into the bathroom.
It's not a case of "big man on campus does whatever he wants and hooks up with whomever he wants."
Well, the hate is laughable insomuch as it's based on the assumption that he's a rapist, and as far as I can tell that's the reason the vast majority of people hate him.
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Oh and I would be ecstatic if he falls to 12. I know I've been vocal about my disapproval of taking Mariota just because I think he and Johnny are similar players and you should finish one experiment before you start another, but Winston is a different kind of guy and is far more NFL-ready now.
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Nope. I wouldn't draft him at all. I'd have better ways to build a team if I were drafting.
Character matters.
Character does matter, you're right. And I wouldn't advocate him even playing a down for the Browns before he got his life in order.
At the worst, you waste #12 and get a Ryan Leaf. At best, you get a franchise quarterback who changes his life around and goes on win the Browns a handful of Super Bowls. In between there, you could probably turn him around for a first round pick to a QB needy team in a year.
If he falls to 12, draft him, bench him, give Manziel a fair shot, let McCown mentor Winston on how to be an actual person, and see where we're at next year with him.
Or, it would be a very Browns thing to do for us to be smokescreening all along, and then we trade away both firsts this year, Manziel, and next year's first to move up to #1 and take Winston.
give Manziel a fair shot
uhhhh, didn't the browns do that last year?????????
Mariota he and Johnny are similar players
one of the funniest things to come from an A and M fan yet. game play, maybe. player:
mariota: 6' 4" 222 lbs. 32" arm length 9 7/8 " hands 4.52 40 yard speed 36" vert
manziel: 5' 11" 204 lbs. 31 3/8" arm length 9 7/8" hands 4.68 40 yard speed 31.5" vert
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You like to waste your time researching stupid things no one disagrees with. You know what I meant.
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i get manziel is on the browns but i don't get where people think he is all of a sudden going to wake up and be a NFL caliber QB.
i mean i loved the gilbert pick but he disappointed the piss out of me last year but AT LEAST he has all of the physical attributes needed to play in the league. he just needs to get his head straight.
i think if johnny is all better and he's in tune with his game he's still gonna get killed.
just my opinion.
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We're aware of your opinion. He sucks. We got it.
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give Manziel a fair shot
uhhhh, didn't the browns do that last year?????????
Mariota he and Johnny are similar players
one of the funniest things to come from an A and M fan yet. game play, maybe. player:
mariota: 6' 4" 222 lbs. 32" arm length 9 7/8 " hands 4.52 40 yard speed 36" vert
manziel: 5' 11" 204 lbs. 31 3/8" arm length 9 7/8" hands 4.68 40 yard speed 31.5" vert
uhhhh, didn't the browns do that last year?????????
one of the funniest things to come from an A and M fan yet. game play, maybe. player:
mariota: 6' 4" 222 lbs. 32" arm length 9 7/8 " hands 4.52 40 yard speed 36" vert
manziel: 5' 11" 204 lbs. 31 3/8" arm length 9 7/8" hands 4.68 40 yard speed 31.5" vert
Well we had DA and Wheezy who were both tall and large, and they sucked for the most part except for 2007 for DA.
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give Manziel a fair shot
uhhhh, didn't the browns do that last year?????????
Mariota he and Johnny are similar players
one of the funniest things to come from an A and M fan yet. game play, maybe. player:
mariota: 6' 4" 222 lbs. 32" arm length 9 7/8 " hands 4.52 40 yard speed 36" vert
manziel: 5' 11" 204 lbs. 31 3/8" arm length 9 7/8" hands 4.68 40 yard speed 31.5" vert
uhhhh, didn't the browns do that last year?????????
one of the funniest things to come from an A and M fan yet. game play, maybe. player:
mariota: 6' 4" 222 lbs. 32" arm length 9 7/8 " hands 4.52 40 yard speed 36" vert
manziel: 5' 11" 204 lbs. 31 3/8" arm length 9 7/8" hands 4.68 40 yard speed 31.5" vert
No, I don't think he was given a fair shot last year. I don't think he should have been given a shot at all, to be honest, but that's neither here nor there.
Shanahan threw him in when the offense was already stalling, changed the gameplan and then we as fans expected to see Manziel vs. Duke. What we got instead was a blindfolded, one-legged Manziel vs. LSU.
I think there is talent there and I think that a full, normal offseason with a sober Manziel will give us our clearest picture of him. He still could come in a suck a bag of dicks. But then we'll know that he sucks a bag of dicks because he sucks a bag of dicks, and not because of pressure, or not knowing the playbook, or cocaine, or anything else.
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Good post and I agree. All the hate for him is laughable.
I wouldn't say the hate is laughable, it's certainly founded in truth. But I am of the same mindset as Royce...the guy wasn't found guilty. I read every case file and report that was made public. There was consensual acts performed both in the bar as well as in a car. Where the line is muddied is when they get back to the apartment, when the girl supposedly loses consciousness and Winston carries her into the bathroom.
It's not a case of "big man on campus does whatever he wants and hooks up with whomever he wants."
I wouldn't say the hate is laughable, it's certainly founded in truth. But I am of the same mindset as Royce...the guy wasn't found guilty. I read every case file and report that was made public. There was consensual acts performed both in the bar as well as in a car. Where the line is muddied is when they get back to the apartment, when the girl supposedly loses consciousness and Winston carries her into the bathroom.
Which case are these facts from? Original or new?
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i get manziel is on the browns but i don't get where people think he is all of a sudden going to wake up and be a NFL caliber QB.
i mean i loved the gilbert pick but he disappointed the piss out of me last year but AT LEAST he has all of the physical attributes needed to play in the league. he just needs to get his head straight.
i think if johnny is all better and he's in tune with his game he's still gonna get killed.
just my opinion.
i get manziel is on the browns but i don't get where people think he is all of a sudden going to wake up and be a NFL caliber QB.
i mean i loved the gilbert pick but he disappointed the piss out of me last year but AT LEAST he has all of the physical attributes needed to play in the league. he just needs to get his head straight.
i think if johnny is all better and he's in tune with his game he's still gonna get killed.
just my opinion.
When Luke Kuechly at Carolina, lined up JF. Did JF finally learn the NFL Game?? With Mack Back and a Full Starting OL that's top 5 in the league at times. Lets see what Manziel shows up at camp. If he's even in camp..
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