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  • MudflyM Mudfly

    This whole 'athletic QB' thing is a recent manifestation that really hasn't proven out.....

    It's fairly established that QB's with just a brain and an arm can succeed at a high level......and the ability to run has been just an extra bonus...

    but, now, it's all the rage. Except these "amazing physical specimens" really haven't done or won enough to establish that "legs" are more important than "arms & brains".....or even needed to succeed....

    Ill take a Brady, Manning, Marino type over a Newton, Manziel or Vick everyday of the week.....(and, especially, on Sundays)

    @mudfly said:

    Ill take a Brady, Manning, Marino type over a Newton, Manziel or Vick everyday of the week.....(and, especially, on Sundays)

    Yeah, but that's not what I am saying... and I'm not that sure about Marino's "head", but set that aside for now.

    Again, I'm talking physical threshold. Of the three heads you list, only the Manning of today falls short, but Peyton's head is so far beyond any other QB that he has still had success. That said, I think it is undeniable that that call is now is now getting closer every year. Surely he fall below the threshold before dementia sets in...

    Rather than Vick & Co. the other side of the argument I am making is better rep'd by the Staffords and Hoyers and Fitzpatricks. All have great heads and solid skillsets that just do not overcome their physical limitations.

    @mudfly said:

    I dont really get this.....but would say they all have upside......and, if taken later in the draft, would have greater upside than someone like JFF taken in the first......

    Bottom line.....you gotta keep swinging till you get a hit........

    Totally agree with the closing. Would only tweek the opening by saying the potential value is greater in succeeding rounds because the expenditure is lower. Also while the odds of realizing that value are longer, if realized, then the value was greater.

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  • M mdmusch

    My point was for Grayson, Hundley, and Petty it would be a waste of a 2nd or 3rd Rounder. They bring nothing to the table (talent-wise) that is any different than Manziel at this point. Also two of them are older.

    If we swing this year it better be for Mariota and no one else

    @mdmusch said:

    My point was for Grayson, Hundley, and Petty it would be a waste of a 2nd or 3rd Rounder. They bring nothing to the table (talent-wise) that is any different than Manziel at this point. Also two of them are older.

    If we swing this year it better be for Mariota and no one else

    they can all see over the offensive line. can't say the same about manziel.

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  • Peyton? No, but are you seriously comparing Grayson's head to Peyton's? Tour

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    Of course not. I simply was talking about Peyton's physical athleticism. I think I'd only compare

    Peyton's brains with Kosar's in football quarterbacking.

  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    @mdmusch said:

    My point was for Grayson, Hundley, and Petty it would be a waste of a 2nd or 3rd Rounder. They bring nothing to the table (talent-wise) that is any different than Manziel at this point. Also two of them are older.

    If we swing this year it better be for Mariota and no one else

    they can all see over the offensive line. can't say the same about manziel.

    @miktoxic said:

    they can all see over the offensive line. can't say the same about manziel.

    Yeah Drew Brees and Russell Wilson can't see over their lines either. What ever will they do?! At least be rational in your hate for Johnny.

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  • They are called passing lanes or windows threw the lineman and Brees and Wilson figured them out in college. JF sees it as pump it and run, its fixable if he would trust his OL and not look down his WR's..

    Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends

  • GOD, how old IS David Grayson?

    "God is great. Beer is good. People are crazy."
  • C Chicopee John

    GOD, how old IS David Grayson?

    @chicopee-john said:

    GOD, how old IS David Grayson?

    i heard he's putting in for his social security.

  • W wargograw

    @miktoxic said:

    they can all see over the offensive line. can't say the same about manziel.

    Yeah Drew Brees and Russell Wilson can't see over their lines either. What ever will they do?! At least be rational in your hate for Johnny.

    @wargograw said:

    Yeah Drew Brees and Russell Wilson can't see over their lines either. What ever will they do?! At least be rational in your hate for Johnny.

    i don't hate manziel or anyone really (except isis). i kinda dislike him for not taking his first year as an nfl rookie seriously enough. and i also disliked the horde of media that surrounded everything he or hoyer did, essentialy putting pressure on the FO and coaches tostart him when they should've known better.

    and then there were the johhny boy queefs. don't get me started on that.

  • Well when criticizing him, make sure it's about something that actually makes sense.

  • you'll be gone after the browns realize they need to part ways with manziel anyways so........

  • And the ad hominem attacks begin. Why am I not surprised? I'm a lifelong Browns fan. Family is from Cleveland. Parents both graduated from Lake Erie College.

    Even if what you said about me was accurate, which it's not, you'd still be wrong about the impossibility of the short QB.

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  • W wargograw

    And the ad hominem attacks begin. Why am I not surprised? I'm a lifelong Browns fan. Family is from Cleveland. Parents both graduated from Lake Erie College.

    Even if what you said about me was accurate, which it's not, you'd still be wrong about the impossibility of the short QB.

    @wargograw said:

    you'd still be wrong about the impossibility of the short QB.

    i hope you're right.

    thing is i don't believe in ghosts and i don't believe in unicorns or a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow.

  • Winston will be going #1 to Tampa. That leaves only Mariota in the first round. Looking at all the mock drafts that keep cropping up I think the Browns will trade up to get Mariota which is the wrong thing to do. And then there's the Chip Kelly scenario that has the Browns trading the #12 pick to the Eagles for Sam Bradford. I think trading away our first round picks this year would ruin our chances of becoming a dominant defense with a stellar O-line. There isn't a quarterback worth giving up that much in this year's draft.

    DAMN THE TORPEDOES! FULL SPEED AHEAD!

  • This is my order of preference:

    Shelton then Bradford then other pick at #12.

    I wouldn't give up Shelton to get Bradford but I wouldn't mind giving up the pick if Shelton's already gone. Of course, barring Shelton going really early and Mariota still being available, there will be no way to know.

    I would be willing to give up the 19 for Bradford especially if we get Shelton but that of course would be worthless for the Eagles.

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  • W wargograw

    This is my order of preference:

    Shelton then Bradford then other pick at #12.

    I wouldn't give up Shelton to get Bradford but I wouldn't mind giving up the pick if Shelton's already gone. Of course, barring Shelton going really early and Mariota still being available, there will be no way to know.

    I would be willing to give up the 19 for Bradford especially if we get Shelton but that of course would be worthless for the Eagles.

    @wargograw said:

    This is my order of preference:

    Shelton then Bradford then other pick at #12.

    Get out.

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  • W wargograw

    And the ad hominem attacks begin. Why am I not surprised? I'm a lifelong Browns fan. Family is from Cleveland. Parents both graduated from Lake Erie College.

    Even if what you said about me was accurate, which it's not, you'd still be wrong about the impossibility of the short QB.

    @wargograw said:

    Parents both graduated from Lake Erie College.

    So you're just "horsing" around...

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  • Connor Shaw is the future!

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @wargograw said:

    Parents both graduated from Lake Erie College.

    So you're just "horsing" around...

    @tour2ma said:

    So you're just "horsing" around...

    Ha! Surprisingly enough neither of them were involved in equestrian. My dad was one of the first male enrollees.

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  • W wargograw

    @tour2ma said:

    So you're just "horsing" around...

    Ha! Surprisingly enough neither of them were involved in equestrian. My dad was one of the first male enrollees.

    @wargograw said:

    Ha! Surprisingly enough neither of them were involved in equestrian. My dad was one of the first male enrollees.

    And, believe it or not, they actually have a football team now.......

    All they need now, is a field to play on.......🙂

  • W wargograw

    This is my order of preference:

    Shelton then Bradford then other pick at #12.

    I wouldn't give up Shelton to get Bradford but I wouldn't mind giving up the pick if Shelton's already gone. Of course, barring Shelton going really early and Mariota still being available, there will be no way to know.

    I would be willing to give up the 19 for Bradford especially if we get Shelton but that of course would be worthless for the Eagles.

    @wargograw said:

    I would be willing to give up the 19 for Bradford especially if we get Shelton but that of course would be worthless for the Eagles.

    If this organization gives up a #1 for Sam Fucking Bradford I will officially have to find a new pastime

    to take the place of the Browns.

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