Would you trade our two first round picks for Philip Rivers?
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It puts zero consideration in the pedigree and potential of players. If I rmemeber correctly it puts almost zero stock in guys like tuitt, Shazier and Jarvis Jones for example for the steelers. Edit: and I'm the king of Columbus.
Yeah it doesn't consider how good Shazier MIGHT be it considers how good players are.... And PFF knows more then both of us, and I don't think it is an accident that the Browns are closer then the Stoolers. Also you are "The Vag of Columbus"
King is a term reserved for me
Yeah it doesn't consider how good Shazier MIGHT be it considers how good players are.... And PFF knows more then both of us, and I don't think it is an accident that the Browns are closer then the Stoolers. Also you are "The Vag of Columbus"
King is a term reserved for me
PFF is fine but their algorithm isn't perfect. I'm definitely the king of columbus. I have a squire position open if you are interested.
AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month) -
You are the Vag I am the King that is just how things work around here, sorry
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You are the Vag I am the King that is just how things work around here, sorry
You are the Vag I am the King that is just how things work around here, sorry
Nope.
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You can be the fag of Columbus.
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Any self respecting football fan can see right through this article that was written and posted smack in the middle of the offseason. It puts zero consideration in the pedigree and potential of players. If I rmemeber correctly it puts almost zero stock in guys like tuitt, Shazier and Jarvis Jones for example for the steelers. It was a shit article then and its a shit article now. If they put the steelers at the top I'd still be saying its a shit article. ESPN is also garbage. Edit: and I'm the king of Columbus.I don't want to do the trade but from the looks of ESPN the Browns are closer to building a contender then the Stoolers. http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/12179331/how-many-players-away-super-bowl-was-team
So try and know more about the rival team if you are gonna come on their forum...
Also Fuck the Steelers
Any self respecting football fan can see right through this article that was written and posted smack in the middle of the offseason. It puts zero consideration in the pedigree and potential of players.
Its based upon PFF ratings....plain and simple......20+ = elite.......9+ = good.....etc etc.....
Bottom line, more Browns players scored better overall than the Steelers.......
We all know YOU wont agree....but the most objective and thorough rating system out there says we have better players.....period.....
And you really cant present an arguement other than "I disagree"......
. This put Joe Haden in the average category. He is certainly the best DB in the AFCN. And I can only assume Alex Mack is listed as average because he was hurt.
Correct....we can make the same arguments that Vag makes.....Mack missed 11 games and still rated amongst the best.....since you get a separate score each game, it's often easy to project how a player might grade out....for example: Mack scored high grades every game and his score of +7 for 5 games projects to +23 for 16 games and would make him the #1 center and earn him major elite status.....
Conversely, Shazier played 9 games and had a negative score...so his projection for 16 would be downward.....
PFF only rates performance....there is no "speculation" or credit for potential(hope?) there...it's just facts and reality.....
PFF knows more then both of us, and I don't think it is an accident that the Browns are closer then the Stoolers
Agree....PFF aint perfect, but it's a hell o lot better than... "cause I said so"....
PFF is fine but their algorithm isn't perfect.
Nothing is perfect....but it's far and away the best(and fairest) rating system available......
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Any self respecting football fan can see right through this article that was written and posted smack in the middle of the offseason. It puts zero consideration in the pedigree and potential of players.
Its based upon PFF ratings....plain and simple......20+ = elite.......9+ = good.....etc etc.....
Bottom line, more Browns players scored better overall than the Steelers.......
We all know YOU wont agree....but the most objective and thorough rating system out there says we have better players.....period.....
And you really cant present an arguement other than "I disagree"......
. This put Joe Haden in the average category. He is certainly the best DB in the AFCN. And I can only assume Alex Mack is listed as average because he was hurt.
Correct....we can make the same arguments that Vag makes.....Mack missed 11 games and still rated amongst the best.....since you get a separate score each game, it's often easy to project how a player might grade out....for example: Mack scored high grades every game and his score of +7 for 5 games projects to +23 for 16 games and would make him the #1 center and earn him major elite status.....
Conversely, Shazier played 9 games and had a negative score...so his projection for 16 would be downward.....
PFF only rates performance....there is no "speculation" or credit for potential(hope?) there...it's just facts and reality.....
PFF knows more then both of us, and I don't think it is an accident that the Browns are closer then the Stoolers
Agree....PFF aint perfect, but it's a hell o lot better than... "cause I said so"....
PFF is fine but their algorithm isn't perfect.
Nothing is perfect....but it's far and away the best(and fairest) rating system available......
Its based upon PFF ratings....plain and simple......20+ = elite.......9+ = good.....etc etc.....
Bottom line, more Browns players scored better overall than the Steelers.......
We all know YOU wont agree....but the most objective and thorough rating system out there says we have better players.....period.....
And you really cant present an arguement other than "I disagree"......
Correct....we can make the same arguments that Vag makes.....Mack missed 11 games and still rated amongst the best.....since you get a separate score each game, it's often easy to project how a player might grade out....for example: Mack scored high grades every game and his score of +7 for 5 games projects to +23 for 16 games and would make him the #1 center and earn him major elite status.....
Conversely, Shazier played 9 games and had a negative score...so his projection for 16 would be downward.....
PFF only rates performance....there is no "speculation" or credit for potential(hope?) there...it's just facts and reality.....
Agree....PFF aint perfect, but it's a hell o lot better than... "cause I said so"....
Nothing is perfect....but it's far and away the best(and fairest) rating system available......
Its one of the only rating systems available. I prefer numberfire personally.
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And numberfire says???
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
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Do those PFF numbers for the entire roster...at least starters, and compare.
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And numberfire says???
number fire is nothing like PFF......it's a Gambling & Fantasy site that bases it's entire rating system on "predicting" future performance.....not on grading past performance...
and it covers all sports(jack of all / master of none)....
so, if you want real football grades and insight to how players performed game to game, Numberfire aint the place to get em....
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If Whisenhunt wants Rivers, he's going to be a Titan. With a Rivers trade the Chargers would have nothing at QB, so they'd need the ammunition to move up to #2 and select Mariota.
I don't see the Chargers trading Rivers to another team unless they already have a deal in place with the Titans for the #2 pick involving only draft picks.
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And numberfire says???
number fire is nothing like PFF......it's a Gambling & Fantasy site that bases it's entire rating system on "predicting" future performance.....not on grading past performance...
and it covers all sports(jack of all / master of none)....
so, if you want real football grades and insight to how players performed game to game, Numberfire aint the place to get em....
They do normal analysis but yes its mostly a fantasy predictor. As far as PFF is concerned it need to be taken with a grain of salt, sometimes they are on point and other times they are out in left field.number fire is nothing like PFF......it's a Gambling & Fantasy site that bases it's entire rating system on "predicting" future performance.....not on grading past performance...
and it covers all sports(jack of all / master of none)....
so, if you want real football grades and insight to how players performed game to game, Numberfire aint the place to get em....
Edit: here is a polamalu example of what I'm talking about..https://m.numberfire.com/nfl/news/4936/how-good-was-troy-polamalu-s-career?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=dlvr.it_nF
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Yeah it doesn't consider how good Shazier MIGHT be it considers how good players are.... And PFF knows more then both of us, and I don't think it is an accident that the Browns are closer then the Stoolers. Also you are "The Vag of Columbus"
King is a term reserved for me
PFF is fine but their algorithm isn't perfect. I'm definitely the king of columbus. I have a squire position open if you are interested.
PFF is fine but their algorithm isn't perfect. I'm definitely the king of columbus. I have a squire position open if you are interested.
Let's stop with the heebeegeebees. All Columbus had to do was show up with a guy from Pittsburgh pictured in his temporary Raider outfit and you went from vaginal irritation to wanting to be his Miley Cyrus. Let's get back to the intriguing idea of Philip Rivers...
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I would trade our two first round picks this year and our first next year if he would sign a contract extension ... what's wrong with you people?
Zombo
Zombo said:
I would trade our two first round picks this year and our first next year if he would sign a contract extension ... what's wrong with you people?
Zombo
I would as well but in our case it doesn't matter. He isn't coming here. I believe very close to the draft that there will be a trade between the Chargers and Titans for Rivers. Nashville is about a 2 hour drive to Decataur, AL where he grew up and the Whisenhunt connection and the fact that he isn't going to resign with the Chargers until the stadium issues is resolved and that isn't going to be resolved anytime soon. Best for the Chargers to trade him now and take your chances wiht Marriotta rather than seeing Rivers walk and get nothing for him.
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@douche-nozzle said:
This should tell you everything you could ever want to know about two subjects; The Browns, and the person who wrote the article.
It tells us that you know nothing.....and that the team with the best player at the most important position on the field still has the Steelers on top of the heap in the AFC.
Or, perhaps, are you of the opinion that the Patriots would have won those 4 SBs if they had Drew Bledsoe and Matt Cassel playing QB for them all these years?
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@douche-nozzle said:
This should tell you everything you could ever want to know about two subjects; The Browns, and the person who wrote the article.
It tells us that you know nothing.....and that the team with the best player at the most important position on the field still has the Steelers on top of the heap in the AFC.
Or, perhaps, are you of the opinion that the Patriots would have won those 4 SBs if they had Drew Bledsoe and Matt Cassel playing QB for them all these years?
It tells us that you know nothing.....and that the team with the best player at the most important position on the field still has the Steelers on top of the heap in the AFC.
Or, perhaps, are you of the opinion that the Patriots would have won those 4 SBs if they had Drew Bledsoe and Matt Cassel playing QB for them all these years?
Its no coincidence the pastericks have won super bowls when they've been guised in controversy.
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It tells us that you know nothing.....and that the team with the best player at the most important position on the field still has the Steelers on top of the heap in the AFC.
Or, perhaps, are you of the opinion that the Patriots would have won those 4 SBs if they had Drew Bledsoe and Matt Cassel playing QB for them all these years?
Its no coincidence the pastericks have won super bowls when they've been guised in controversy.
Its no coincidence the pastericks have won super bowls when they've been guised in controversy.
I don't think those controversy's had anything to do with Brady's quality as a QB though.
Do you really think his edge all these years has been underinflated balls? (as opposed to this guy?):
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Gipper, is it true your a dead ringer for Paul Finebaum?
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No, no. that is a picture of Tiam, whose opinions are all ass backwards......
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