Jonathan Paul Manziel
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He will still have the best arm of all the options we'll have next year.
I hope he does work out - but I will believe he can be a success at only one point: After he's selected by the coaching staff to be the starter, and after he's won a few games. Until then, he's still proving himself.
I could care less, though: Last year's draft is at this point a sunk cost. Either he works out or he doesn't, I'm so over it. If he doesn't work out, McCown and Shaw won't be embarrassing.
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I honestly think that him making an ass out of himself during his rookie year is the best thing that could have happened for his career. A lot of times people need to fail at something before they become truly great at it. It still remains to be seen if he has the skill set for the NFL. Hopefully he pans out, but I think he can be adequate enough to take the job from McCown.
I honestly think that him making an ass out of himself during his rookie year is the best thing that could have happened for his career. A lot of times people need to fail at something before they become truly great at it. It still remains to be seen if he has the skill set for the NFL. Hopefully he pans out, but I think he can be adequate enough to take the job from McCown.
Yup.
I hate to say it, but I don't think he'll even make the start of the season before he screws up somehow. Not a believer that he's changed.
He's at least made a sincere effort. Not everyone succeeds on the first try.
Rofl, you people act like he wrote that or meant any of it. It's a Publicist hired by his agent to try to salvage a few bucks. He will be selling cars with Josh Gordon by week 8.
Maybe, maybe not. I sure hope not- because if he is- we just blew another first round pick.
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Just imagine how awesome it will be if he is good. I miss cashin' out to all my rival friends (even if Johnny stops doing it himself it will still be a fan thing).
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1. was named starter because of Brian Hoyers poor performance.2 Key unanswered Questions-- 1. Lost trust in some players when he was announced Starter late in season and was it due to his performance or 2. I am young and not going to change my lifestyle for no one ???
2 that's a paraphrase and his grammar is better than yours.
3 a lot of you bitches will hate him no matter what so who cares?
My reaction? Fair enough kid, let's play football.
WSS
1. was named starter because of Brian Hoyers poor performance.
2 that's a paraphrase and his grammar is better than yours.
3 a lot of you bitches will hate him no matter what so who cares?
My reaction? Fair enough kid, let's play football.
WSS
Pretty much. He either succeeds or he doesn't. It's better for the Browns if he succeeds (obviously) so I'm rooting for him. I can't say that I'm convinced that he has what it takes, but I would sure love to be proven wrong!
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I like Johnny as he showed me a lot of determination & mental toughness in the college game. Obviously, he failed to do what he needed to do last year, but he DID enter rehab. If he carries that commitment forward, I think he has all the tools to succeed.
Bottom line is, as Mark has stated, Johnny IS a Brown & deserves our support. What's good for him is good for the Browns.
REAL Brown's Fans will support him as a part of this TEAM. Many who won't support him think he will fail & just want to be proven right. That's not being a true Fan IMHO.
Mike
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The one good thing I see here is that JFF took it upon himself to get fixed before anything truly serious happened. We see players getting busted for DUI, drugs and other various felonies everyday.....and usually they do nothing but deny....and its very rare to see them seek help(think of JG for instance) for themselves.......
But JFF didnt get busted for anything and never got in "real" trouble as a Brown....yet, while still in his first year, he recognized he needed to do better and make changes to his lifestyle.....then he took a HUGE step to correct these things....
To me....that says he IS getting his head straight and I fully expect him to be a hard working committed player come training camp...
Now, whether he can play or not is a completely different discussion....but I have faith he'll at least have his head in the game....
The philosophy of OC DeFilippo is spot on in my opinion when he states that an NFL quarterback today has to be sold out to the game and have a 24/7 commitment. That is the kind of commitment that will be expected from JM. With the Browns coaches and JM having his head in the game he will have a decent shot now to prove he is capable.
The philosophy of OC DeFilippo is spot on in my opinion when he states that an NFL quarterback today has to be sold out to the game and have a 24/7 commitment. That is the kind of commitment that will be expected from JM.
This.^^ THIS, goddammit.
Johnny has talked a good game since day one. Shut the fuck up. Stop talking.
SHOW ME SOMETHING.
Fine. I accept your apology. Now, move your ass into the facility in Berea, make DeFlippo your bestie,
and SHOW ME you're willing to do what it takes to be a successful NFL quarterback.
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h btw, i guess it's called bitching when it's about something that you don't want to bitch about and it's called a disagreement when you go full force frak on those who hold other opinions than you do, hmm....let's say on the political board.
talk about bitches. Mik
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Well....Manziel blew his first year, admitted he was being a jackass, went to rehab.
You know who has had over six years of being far worse than a jackass, has no honor about himself to admit it, six years of chances to go to rehab and man up, but won't admit he needs to...
I would bitch about a second year of manziel being the same, but he went to man up after one yr. The political jackass will never man up and go to rehab. And it's looking exactly like it's going to keep going on for all eight years of
you know who being an outrageous self destructive qb of our country without one "I'm sorry I suck".
I reckon the point some of us have made has hit home like a boulder off a tall cliff landing. Big ouchie.
wow, usually it takes 3 or 4 of my posts to make someone stark raving mad.
no wonder it's frowned upon to talk politics or religion in a bar.
A couple pages ago comment was about JM needing a new circle of friends including gf...
Right out of the gate there he is with the gf...
Not a reason for optimism...
no wonder it's frowned upon to talk politics or religion in a bar.
Please don't refer to cal's insane ranting as "talking politics".
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
thing that bothers me most about manziel's departure from rehab, thinking he might have learned something else besides sobriety is that picture taken at the tx rangers game. sure go to the game, have a great time BUT to sit in the front row when you know all the cameras will be pointing at you? c'mon man! wasn't the media half his prob last year?
JF the celebrity all over again.
what was pettine's quote last year "we'll find out if the kid wants to be a celebrity or a football player."
well.........
the browns should have mandated he stay across the street from the facility in berea where pettine lived. sure it's not your swank celebrity digs but if you really want to prove to the team you are in it, wouldn't YOU do something like that?
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thing that bothers me most about manziel's departure from rehab, thinking he might have learned something else besides sobriety is that picture taken at the tx rangers game. sure go to the game, have a great time BUT to sit in the front row when you know all the cameras will be pointing at you? c'mon man! wasn't the media half his prob last year?
JF the celebrity all over again.
what was pettine's quote last year "we'll find out if the kid wants to be a celebrity or a football player."
well.........
the browns should have mandated he stay across the street from the facility in berea where pettine lived. sure it's not your swank celebrity digs but if you really want to prove to the team you are in it, wouldn't YOU do something like that?
thing that bothers me most about manziel's departure from rehab, thinking he might have learned something else besides sobriety is that picture taken at the tx rangers game. sure go to the game, have a great time BUT to sit in the front row when you know all the cameras will be pointing at you? c'mon man! wasn't the media half his prob last year?
JF the celebrity all over again.
what was pettine's quote last year "we'll find out if the kid wants to be a celebrity or a football player."
well.........
the browns should have mandated he stay across the street from the facility in berea where pettine lived. sure it's not your swank celebrity digs but if you really want to prove to the team you are in it, wouldn't YOU do something like that?
I just don't see it like that at all. If he went to the Rangers game with Drake and Nolan Ryan then maybe. The guy just spent nearly his entire off-season taking care of himself, there's no problem at all going to a baseball game. It was one picture of the dude smiling, hell it's nice to see a picture of him without some douche lackey or a bottle of champagne.
If the Browns did what you just said no player would ever want to play for them.
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thing that bothers me most about manziel's departure from rehab, thinking he might have learned something else besides sobriety is that picture taken at the tx rangers game. sure go to the game, have a great time BUT to sit in the front row when you know all the cameras will be pointing at you? c'mon man! wasn't the media half his prob last year?
JF the celebrity all over again.
what was pettine's quote last year "we'll find out if the kid wants to be a celebrity or a football player."
well.........
the browns should have mandated he stay across the street from the facility in berea where pettine lived. sure it's not your swank celebrity digs but if you really want to prove to the team you are in it, wouldn't YOU do something like that?
I just don't see it like that at all. If he went to the Rangers game with Drake and Nolan Ryan then maybe. The guy just spent nearly his entire off-season taking care of himself, there's no problem at all going to a baseball game. It was one picture of the dude smiling, hell it's nice to see a picture of him without some douche lackey or a bottle of champagne.
If the Browns did what you just said no player would ever want to play for them.
I just don't see it like that at all. If he went to the Rangers game with Drake and Nolan Ryan then maybe. The guy just spent nearly his entire off-season taking care of himself, there's no problem at all going to a baseball game. It was one picture of the dude smiling, hell it's nice to see a picture of him without some douche lackey or a bottle of champagne.
If the Browns did what you just said no player would ever want to play for them.
well if they wasted a whole season like manziel did hopefully the browns wouldn't want THEM.
we'll see. i gotta six says he can't even beat out mccown, and that's if he even makes it to TC. HA!!
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A couple pages ago comment was about JM needing a new circle of friends including gf...
Right out of the gate there he is with the gf...
Not a reason for optimism...
no wonder it's frowned upon to talk politics or religion in a bar.
Please don't refer to cal's insane ranting as "talking politics".
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manziel is now the lindsay lohan of the NFL.
he's prob got TMZ on speed dial.
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I just don't see it like that at all. If he went to the Rangers game with Drake and Nolan Ryan then maybe. The guy just spent nearly his entire off-season taking care of himself, there's no problem at all going to a baseball game. It was one picture of the dude smiling, hell it's nice to see a picture of him without some douche lackey or a bottle of champagne.
If the Browns did what you just said no player would ever want to play for them.
well if they wasted a whole season like manziel did hopefully the browns wouldn't want THEM.
we'll see. i gotta six says he can't even beat out mccown, and that's if he even makes it to TC. HA!!
well if they wasted a whole season like manziel did hopefully the browns wouldn't want THEM.
we'll see. i gotta six says he can't even beat out mccown, and that's if he even makes it to TC. HA!!
Who knows if he'll win the job or not, that may not work out. But I'm happy to see the guy just looks physically better and is being photographed without a celebrity and a bottle of Dom. Heck, it's probably a healthy part of recovery for the guy to go to events without that stuff.
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Heh
Cheer up haters.
First round quarterbacks, especially Heisman winners, fail in the NFL by a fairly wide margin which means the odds are excellent that in just a few years you assholes will all be dancing in the streets.
WSS
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a few years?
HA!!!
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The philosophy of OC DeFilippo is spot on in my opinion when he states that an NFL quarterback today has to be sold out to the game and have a 24/7 commitment. That is the kind of commitment that will be expected from JM.
This.^^ THIS, goddammit.
Johnny has talked a good game since day one. Shut the fuck up. Stop talking.
SHOW ME SOMETHING.
Fine. I accept your apology. Now, move your ass into the facility in Berea, make DeFlippo your bestie,
and SHOW ME you're willing to do what it takes to be a successful NFL quarterback.
This.^^ THIS, goddammit.
Johnny has talked a good game since day one. Shut the fuck up. Stop talking.
Ask and ye shall receive.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2015/04/johnny_manziel_is_participatin.html
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i see a well respected sports journalist agrees with me about manziel jumping back into his celebrity 'mode'.
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Well unless he was seen guzzling beer at the Cavs game who gives a fuck? He is close friends with Lebron and who cares what some journalist has to say.
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