Getting OFF the Schnied!!!!!!!!!!!

CLEVELandMILIDH

@rich4eagle said:
Read my last again and read who scored how much in period four............and read again what the average points for the winners in the Super Bowl
hopefully someday you will provide numbers for me to defeat my premise............I think not

scoring 30 points in a superbowl game has nothing to do with getting there

rich4eagle

nmills said:
scoring 30 points in a superbowl game has nothing to do with getting there

Right and playing defense the first sixteen games has nothing to do with winning any of em................

Touche........score more points you win...........

Offense baby

CLEVELandMILIDH

@rich4eagle said:
Right and playing defense the first sixteen games has nothing to do with winning any of em................
Touche........score more points you win...........

Offense baby

you gotta get there to win it, and if it wasnt for the steelers int return and defensive stop during Arizona's last drive they wouldnt have won Deffense baby

rich4eagle

So if ben went tits up from his ten yard line ....................what you just said was irrelevant????????????

or would they still have won or sumtim

Look I do not argue Defense is of crucial importance..............but the bottom line proven over and over

Is offense wins championships despite the bullshit rhetoric of the opposite

CLEVELandMILIDH

@rich4eagle said:
So if ben went tits up from his ten yard line ....................what you just said was irrelevant????????????
or would they still have won or sumtim

Look I do not argue Defense is of crucial importance..............but the bottom line proven over and over

Is offense wins championships despite the bullshit rhetoric of the opposite

if ben went tits up from the ten ----- what is that supposed to mean

? mz.

Rich, can you add a selection titled "Who Gives a Fcuk."?

Timugen

@rich4eagle said:
Touche........score more points you win...........

I'm all for some upgrades on offense Ichy Ich, but the funny thing about the above quote is that it proves nothing regarding your premise.

Make sure the other team scores less points and you win also.

The most important thing to remember is that having a good offense and having a good defense are not mutually exclusive events. You need to build a team with balance - not just plan on trying to win track meets because you have neglected your defense. That may work in college because of serious talent gaps, but it just leaves you vulnerable in the NFL when playing teams that can put up points right with you. Just ask the Colts. As many points as they've been scoring for the past decade, they should have at least 3 or 4 rings by your logic.

Oh, and one other point...

Trent FCUKING Dilfer.

Touche.

Erie Dawg

Touchdown Brows Town, it sounds so queer its not even worth discussing.

And everyone knows defense wins Championships and offense puts fans in the seats.

Tobalaz

I vote we rip out the Dawg Pound and set up paper football tables for attending fans.

We MIGHT see some touchdowns in the endzone that way.

rich4eagle

Just goes to show that Browns fans are dumber ( this thread proves my point about dumbness.....Inspecta someday maybe hopefully Browns fans will get an epiphany and unplug from dark up there) than the mismanagement for the last nearly forty years. The Browns won 8 League Championships the last in 1964

All of those teams featured high powered offense as the principal weapon

As Forrest Gump said "Stupid is as stupid does"...................Brownstown went stupid. Even when the pound was created during the Marty years it was the Offense lead by Kosar and Mack and Byner and Slaughter and Langhorne and Brennan that won the games. I think it was the D that allowed Denver to drive 95 yards and beat us in the drive game. And I think it was the D that did not show up in the fumble game when we scored 33 and lost. And in those cardiac years it was all Sipe and the overachieving that lead the glory.

In the forties and early fifties it was Automatic Otto and the boys lighting it up

In the Sixties is was Dr. Frank Ryan then Bill Nelson and Jim Brown and Leroy Kelly and Paul Warfield and Gary Collins lighting it up

and since NO OFFENSE AND SHIT RESULTS except for the five years below

For the matter please somebody tell a single team that went anywhere in this franchise forever that was lead by defense. The answer will be deafining silence. Cause their was none. So far here it is clear the fans are remaining stupid....let's hope Kokinski and Mangini have a better idea .............cause the losing is getting ridiculous now!

And Zomblow you can be head cheerleader of being stupid and as usual wrong about most everything...........

Rich gets it always has .................so do the Steelers and then we numbnuts herd of Brownies doing dumb continually

Mangini be smarter................

I defy tangible retort with statistical data .......mz the pussy get off your drunken ass and defeat this

One final thought Touchdown Browns Town was just off the top..........for no better.............Of course in the heyday................."Presenting the Greatest Show in Football" worked huge and then we went to shittiest show in football and dawg masks......saluting losing is so cool

CLEVELandMILIDH

@rich4eagle said:
As Forrest Gump said "Stupid is as stupid does"...................Brownstown went stupid. Even when the pound was created during the Marty years it was the Offense lead by Kosar and Mack and Byner and Slaughter and Langhorne and Brennan that won the games. I think it was the D that allowed Denver to drive 95 yards and beat us in the drive game. And I think it was the D that did not show up in the fumble game when we scored 33 and lost. And in those cardiac years it was all Sipe and the overachieving that lead the glory.

Your own statement proves that Defense wins Championships

Erie Dawg

Zombo said:
Close vote so far...
Zombo

Gee I wonder who that one single vote was LOL?

Rich you have got to be the most pissed off Browns fan I have ever came across... and to be totaly honest I thought you were a stoller fan when I first joined this site 🥷 You are a browns fan, right?

But what is going to be the mascot a dog or a flipin elf.

Dog = Vicious, mean , rabid.

Elf = Well how gay is an elf mascot anyway ND, Boston Celtics, Yeah real intimdation factor coming from the stands there.

And lets not even get started on how dated our uniforms have come. I think alot of players pass this team up just cause of the plainness factor.

rich4eagle

@erie-dawg said:
Gee I wonder who that one single vote was LOL?
Rich you have got to be the most pissed off Browns fan I have ever came across... and to be totaly honest I thought you were a stoller fan when I first joined this site 🥷 You are a browns fan, right?

But what is going to be the mascot a dog or a flipin elf.

Dog = Vicious, mean , rabid.

Elf = Well how gay is an elf mascot anyway ND, Boston Celtics, Yeah real intimdation factor coming from the stands there.

And lets not even get started on how dated our uniforms have come. I think alot of players pass this team up just cause of the plainness factor.

Excuse me which part of the losing do you adore...................and which part of the winning do I WANT BACK......being dumb and supporting more of the same

NOT ME

rich4eagle

@erie-dawg said:
Gee I wonder who that one single vote was LOL?
Rich you have got to be the most pissed off Browns fan I have ever came across... and to be totaly honest I thought you were a stoller fan when I first joined this site 🥷 You are a browns fan, right?

But what is going to be the mascot a dog or a flipin elf.

Dog = Vicious, mean , rabid.

Elf = Well how gay is an elf mascot anyway ND, Boston Celtics, Yeah real intimdation factor coming from the stands there.

And lets not even get started on how dated our uniforms have come. I think alot of players pass this team up just cause of the plainness factor.

Sorry my friend which of stupid losing have I endorsed over the years...........NONE......meanwhile the last two posts are more extreme let's be real dumb more of the same...........

LOSING IS US.............I REJECT THAT........... but wait loser brownstown wants to embellish all YOU LOSERS JUST WANT TO KEEP DOING IT>...........................DAWG POUND DUMB AS A BRICK FOR TWENTY FIVE YEARS GOING STRONG

When you get it someday.............WE can again become "The Greatest Show in Football" until then we remain the NFL CLOWns

I READ THE POSTS ON WHOM TO DRAFT AND OF ALL ONLY ONE OFFENSIVE PLAYER WAS MENTIONED AND THAT WAS BECAUSE HE CAUGHT ONE PASS.............GET IT BROWNSTOWN...........OR LOVE THE LOSING

ANBODY GOT GUTS TO BACK ME OR IS ALL OF BROWNSTOWN GUTLESS COWARDS

rich4eagle

Sorry my friend I intended a different meaning ..............you decide which meaning is important

This thread has merely presented some facts

FACT ONE...........when the Browns were the awe of football...............They were called the "Greatest show if football" and that was because of their offense

FACT TWO...............when the Browns won the NFL CHAMPIONSHIP on an offense Based Team "All the World was Brownstown"

FACT THREE..................The Browns have never won shit ever but for offense ..........including the Cardiac Kids and the Bernie and the Gang

FACT FOUR............THE BROWNS NEVER WON SHIT EVER BASED ON DEFENSE AND I DEFY ANYONE TO SHOW ME THE BIG TIME THAT DEFENSE GOT THEM ANYWHERE............

FACT FIVE.............BROWNS FANS LIVE IN DENIAL AND THIS THREAD PROVES IT......AND THAT IN ITSELF PROVES HOW DUMB IT HAS BECOME.........NO DISREPECT JUST TELLING THE TRUTH......LIVE IN DENIAL AND LOSE AND LOVE IN DENYING WHAT MAKES WINNERS AND WIN

CASE CLOSED BROWNS FANS IN GENERAL AS PROVEN BY THIS THREAD JUST LOVE SUCKING HIND TIT AND LOSING

Erie Dawg

ANBODY GOT GUTS TO BACK ME OR IS ALL OF BROWNSTOWN GUTLESS COWARDS

You cant make stuff like this up.... its got me in tears laughing.

Rich I'll bet you are a blast to hang out with though, I'm being 100% serious.

But yeah you can count me out i'm sticking with the pound.

Geech

@rich4eagle said:
I READ THE POSTS ON WHOM TO DRAFT AND OF ALL ONLY ONE OFFENSIVE PLAYER WAS MENTIONED AND THAT WAS BECAUSE HE CAUGHT ONE PASS.............GET IT BROWNSTOWN...........OR LOVE THE LOSING

Crabtree might be the only offensive player worth considering with the #5 pick...might be...

Even so, we still can't plod a bunch of nobodies out on defense. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you do believe that pass rushers and CBs are important, don't you? I think I've seen you mention in your posts that those positions are important ones.

Do you have any thoughts on which particular player the Browns should draft at #5? Crabtree? Moreno? Wells? Sanchez? Harvin? Maclin?

-Al

Thaak

@rich4eagle said:
The BROWNS in the glory years were based on offense and rubber band defense and the dawg pound is the fantasy of the losing years
So my recommendation is to shit can the dawg pound all together and make that end zone crowd TOUCHDOWN BROWNS TOWN

Winning does require TD's

As a matter of course, no matter how solid the idea, if Rich suggests it, I'll vote against it.

Timugen

@rich4eagle said:
This thread has merely presented some facts
FACT ONE...........when the Browns were the awe of football...............They were called the "Greatest show if football" and that was because of their offense

FACT TWO...............when the Browns won the NFL CHAMPIONSHIP on an offense Based Team "All the World was Brownstown"

FACT THREE..................The Browns have never won shit ever but for offense ..........including the Cardiac Kids and the Bernie and the Gang

FACT FOUR............THE BROWNS NEVER WON SHIT EVER BASED ON DEFENSE AND I DEFY ANYONE TO SHOW ME THE BIG TIME THAT DEFENSE GOT THEM ANYWHERE............

FACT FIVE.............

FACT SIX..........Believe it or not, the Browns aren't the only team ever in history to win a championship. There are plenty of teams that have done it without a prolific offense.

FACT SEVEN........Just because that's the way the Browns got it done when they did (many years not in the premier league, and even when not that....it was still DECADES ago) doesn't mean that that way is the ONLY way to get it done. MANY teams since have proven so. As a matter of fact, your favorite team has won more Super Bowls than any other team.....and mostly with LEGENDARY DEFENSES coupled with somewhat unremarkable offenses.

FACT EIGHT.......Just because you THINK the team that you hate hasn't made it to the promised land for DECADES because of ONE simple reason is absolutely fcuking laughable. Why don't you revisit your list of, what was it....27? fcuk-ups by "Sewage"........I trust every single one of them involves offense. Not a single one involved signing over-the-hill, has-been FAs on defense....or signing fat, lazy, old FAs on defense either....nope....nothing like that.

Hypocrite.

CASE CLOSED

rich4eagle

@inspecta said:
Rich you're comparing 2 completely different eras of football, but I happen to agree with you that you have to score to win in this league, however the situation is very symbiotic, your defense has to stop people every now and again to have any shot at anything in this league as well.
Your not going to win shootouts all the time, if your defense is terrible (like ours was) then it comes down to "whoever has the ball last" and that's not very good chances.

Our offensive line isn't that bad off that we need to pick high this year, but we do need help at center and RT. I think with Quinn, Edwards, Harrison and possibly Rucker (he's practically unknown right now, but he did have a good preseason) we have talent on this club that can score points, we do need a few more playmakers to have a really potent offense. However on the defensive side of the ball we are extremely weak at LB and DE. That's what this team NEEDS right now, which is why you see so many people talking about defensive prospects this offseason.

At the #5 pick this year we have limited options, is there any skill position player other than crabtree that you can see taking at #5?

I can't, any player other than crabtree is a serious reach for the kind of money the 5th overrall pick will command.

I would love to trade down and snag Beanie possibly, but that depends on how far he'll drop

I am not comparing anything I am just pointing out what wins despite idiotic views to the opposite..........I think NE set a TD record last year and yse Arizona won it on defense this year........and oh yeah Ben sucked down the stretch this year..........and oh yeah the vaunted bears d got shredded by Mainning two years ago......

not of that shit counts nor does the fact FACT FACT FACT that the winning team in the Bowl has averaged 31 points

yeah man DEFENSe WAS HE KEY AND A TOOTH UNDER THE PILLOW

Meanwhile I have already three guys I would take with the one pick.........before Crabtree all running backs................

but when a team and its fans insists on being stuck up their asses on one side of the ball all of the other side escapes them................

YOU WIN BY SCORING TDS.........and we cannot...........SO FIXING THAT IS THE MAIN ISSUE