R&R Hall Of Fame Members
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Every one has their ideas. The two you mention are rarely mentioned because I suspect: A. The Monkees were a made for TV movie with guys that were just thrown together to perform....and who did very little of their own playing and writing.
B. Johnny Rivers was more known for his covers of songs than for originals.
Now, I like both of them very much....but there are, I guess, "musicianship" issues that deter their induction.
Plus, the one area that has seem to be short shifted in what I hear a lot are the Progressive Rock Bands, of the 70s/80s. Tull, Yes, Procul Harum, Moody Blues, Emerson Lake and Palmer, King Crimson, etc.
Good points.
I understand your points about Johnny Rivers (I really don't know what songs he wrote and what songs he 'covered' but - if that were the case only Smoky Robinson would be in the HOF and, virtually, all other Motown artists would be "On The Outside Looking In".
PS Dave Clark 5 were also a manufactured group, perhaps like the Monkees. My guess is that Dave Clark 5 is in.
Tull's, "Aqua Lung" is one of the best records of all time, IMHO. If not the group or Ian Anderson, that album should be.
Good points.
I understand your points about Johnny Rivers (I really don't know what songs he wrote and what songs he 'covered' but - if that were the case only Smoky Robinson would be in the HOF and, virtually, all other Motown artists would be "On The Outside Looking In".
PS Dave Clark 5 were also a manufactured group, perhaps like the Monkees. My guess is that Dave Clark 5 is in.
Tull's, "Aqua Lung" is one of the best records of all time, IMHO. If not the group or Ian Anderson, that album should be.
Dave Clark 5 is in the HOF
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A band I liked from the 70's, Grand Funk Railroad didn't even make the snub list so they probably aren't going in. I am surprised Yes never made it though.
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How is Alan Parsons not in the HOF?
Not only did he have a career in a band, he was an engineer or producer for some of the biggest records of all time
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Without putting much thought to it, I found the following to be surprising.
Of course, this has nothing to do with my personal taste.
Also, I am flat-out unfamiliar with some of those on the 'Snub List".
My surprises (In alphabetical order).
- Bon Jovi
- Chicago
- Dick Dale
- Dire Straits
- Doobie Brothers
- Guess Who (Damn Canadians, I know)
- Journey
- Peter, Paul, and Mary
- Weird Al
- Barry White
- Yes
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Without putting much thought to it, I found the following to be surprising.
Of course, this has nothing to do with my personal taste.
Also, I am flat-out unfamiliar with some of those on the 'Snub List".
My surprises (In alphabetical order).
- Bon Jovi
- Chicago
- Dick Dale
- Dire Straits
- Doobie Brothers
- Guess Who (Damn Canadians, I know)
- Journey
- Peter, Paul, and Mary
- Weird Al
- Barry White
- Yes
Without putting much thought to it, I found the following to be surprising.
Of course, this has nothing to do with my personal taste.
Also, I am flat-out unfamiliar with some of those on the 'Snub List".
My surprises (In alphabetical order).
Some plausible explanations:
- Bon Jovi
- Chicago RRHOF members don't like their "jazz" orientation
- Dick Dale
- Dire Straits
- Doobie Brothers
- Guess Who (Damn Canadians, I know)
- Journey
- Peter, Paul, and Mary RRHOF think they are just a "folk act".
- Weird Al "just a novelty act"
- Barry White
- Yes
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Chicago should be in for sure...
From Free, to Bad Company, to Queen, Paul Rodgers needs tro be in.
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Chicago should be in for sure...
From Free, to Bad Company, to Queen, Paul Rodgers needs tro be in.
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Green Day were *the* punk band for a (my) generation. Not hardcore punk like the sex pistols, maybe, but they were among the first, that I know of, in the generation of 'pop punk' acts like Offspring, Blink 182, Sum 41 and the rest.
Their music won't stack up against maybe other genre-defining groups like the beatles and led zep, but then the genre itself wouldn't stack up. They're just the best at what they do.
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Green Day were *the* punk band for a (my) generation. Not hardcore punk like the sex pistols, maybe, but they were among the first, that I know of, in the generation of 'pop punk' acts like Offspring, Blink 182, Sum 41 and the rest.
Their music won't stack up against maybe other genre-defining groups like the beatles and led zep, but then the genre itself wouldn't stack up. They're just the best at what they do.
Green Day were *the* punk band for a (my) generation. Not hardcore punk like the sex pistols, maybe, but they were among the first, that I know of, in the generation of 'pop punk' acts like Offspring, Blink 182, Sum 41 and the rest.
Their music won't stack up against maybe other genre-defining groups like the beatles and led zep, but then the genre itself wouldn't stack up. They're just the best at what they do.
I would have fought Elvis Costello was the godfather of pop punk. he just took the genre far from its point of origin.
(I remember years ago a couple of people arguing about whether or not Green Day sold out)
WSS
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Costello always seems to me more pop than punk - there's a large difference IMHO between his style and Green Day's, not least because the sound is heavy on synthesizer!
Also, I love 'She' but it's not punk in any way
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If green day got in bands like stone temple pilots should be in. Stp was awesome.
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Richard hell is the godfather of punk. His image was what the sex pistols were visually based on and he was the one Malcom McLaren originally approached to lead the pistols. "Blank generation" was all that McLaren wanted the pistols to be and "pretty vacant" was a direct attempt to ape it.
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Which came first, punk the genre, or punk the thing old people shout at young people they don't like?
For green day I'm talking about pop-punk, not punk.
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Green day started as direct punk in my opinion. They are not any more poppy than the Ramones or the pistols.
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Pop and punk have always been strange bedfellows. If you listen to blitzkrieg bop it's just pop played super fast
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Costello always seems to me more pop than punk - there's a large difference IMHO between his style and Green Day's, not least because the sound is heavy on synthesizer!
Also, I love 'She' but it's not punk in any way
Costello always seems to me more pop than punk - there's a large difference IMHO between his style and Green Day's, not least because the sound is heavy on synthesizer!
Also, I love 'She' but it's not punk in any way
My aim is true and never mind the bollocks both came out in 77 and long long way from she which we celebrated mr. McManus did not write.
but by that time he had traveled a long way from the pop punk beginnings.
I tend to agree on his Pop influence because his music never embodied the raw ugliness of some punk performers. But we were talking about pop punk so...
WSS
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As a good deal of Green Day is in no way punk these days. especially that one they ripped from Oasis and time of your life.
WSS
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