Shelton wants to be a Brown
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I'd say a 340lb Nose with the ability to stop the run and push the pocket trumps any "specialist" you can find. Fact is, that term implies a player has mastered only one part of his craft - be it as a run stopper or pass rusher. When you have a player that does both well, you can't pass on that. Had it not been for Wilfork being a Behemoth against Seattle, they likely don't hold Beast Mode anywhere near in check. There's only a very small handful of defensive lineman in this league that can handle that responsibility. It allows coordinators to get creative with their schemes to help slow down some of the horizontal passing and option looks we get.
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You get a feel for what is going on with the Browns today with these kind of comments where players are coming away impressed with the Browns organization and wanting to come to Cleveland.
Absolutely... We are so lucky that we had to "settle" for Pettine...
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Me too.....I LOVE Shelton, but am expecting a Beasley, DuPree or Ray type of pick coming before DT......
Last season there were a MILLION tards saying we'd only win 1 to 5 games...then suddenly we were 7-3 and they were like..."doh, how'd that happen??"
But which of those types are 3-down guys? Shelton is and that trumps a rusher in my book. Plus if we stop the run, and Shelton moves us in that direction, then our existing pass rush gets a whole lot better.
Absolutely... We are so lucky that we had to "settle" for Pettine...
It did seem we had to settle for Pettine. I was getting concerned for a while when so many coaches turned down the head coaching job for the Browns before they finally settled on Pettine (at least six interviewed candidates wound up turning down the Browns head coaching job. There may have been others that also said no) If the Browns caught a break in how they hired Pettine all I can say if any club ever deserved to catch a break it was the the Browns.
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But which of those types are 3-down guys? Shelton is and that trumps a rusher in my book. Plus if we stop the run, and Shelton moves us in that direction, then our existing pass rush gets a whole lot better.
Im just guessing of course.....but am not convinced the Browns really want a 3 down guy more than they want a fierce pass rusher....and think that they think they can get better DL help later......when you get the chance, watch todays pressy....Farmer spent some time describing how "specialists" are their preference now and guys who can move all over and come in and out n "waves"(sounds like its turning into hockey).....and then he basically said your old school every down type players are dinosaurs(at that moment he was talking LB's, but said similar things about the line).....
But...Ill take Shelton.....I love him!!....my picks are more based on what I think the Browns will do than what I would do or think they should do.....if that makes sense?
if shelton is gone @12 and farmer decides to stay pat i can see them taking the best pass rusher on the board in the list mud supplied (if they're still there) since i believe brown will fall to 19. if no great value at DL or LB is available i could see him go against the grain and go for WR there or maybe even RB if gordon or gurley are still on the board.
that's what makes this draft so exciting. got a little taste last year of what farmer can do. just waiting for some magic again this year.
tick tock.
It is exciting...really...
And I have faith in Farmer.....and no idea what he'll do......and the guessing continues for 8 more days....tick tick tick
... and then he basically said your old school every down type players are dinosaurs(at that moment he was talking LB's, but said similar things about the line).....
I resemble that remark...
All I can say is this is not hockey... no boards and no changing lines on the fly. A good hurry up will get you every time. Of course for the mere price of a 5-yard penalty you can then change at your leisure.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
There's more than a good chance Shelton is available at #12. The question is.......is Farmer going to be involved in a three way trade that gets us Bradford and a #20 pick from Philly. I still think Kelly is going to be actively pursuing Mariota and the Browns hold the key with two picks. I wish I could believe they will stand pat and draft at 12 and 19 but history shows they are more than eager to help other teams get better. Danny Shelton or Malcom Brown along with a La'el Collins would improve the team instantly. Mariota is a reach and so is Bradford. We would be better off sticking with McCown and Manziel for this year. But I do not see that happening. I sure hope I am wrong.
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There's more than a good chance Shelton is available at #12. The question is.......is Farmer going to be involved in a three way trade that gets us Bradford and a #20 pick from Philly. I still think Kelly is going to be actively pursuing Mariota and the Browns hold the key with two picks. I wish I could believe they will stand pat and draft at 12 and 19 but history shows they are more than eager to help other teams get better. Danny Shelton or Malcom Brown along with a La'el Collins would improve the team instantly. Mariota is a reach and so is Bradford. We would be better off sticking with McCown and Manziel for this year. But I do not see that happening. I sure hope I am wrong.
There's more than a good chance Shelton is available at #12. The question is.......is Farmer going to be involved in a three way trade that gets us Bradford and a #20 pick from Philly. I still think Kelly is going to be actively pursuing Mariota and the Browns hold the key with two picks. I wish I could believe they will stand pat and draft at 12 and 19 but history shows they are more than eager to help other teams get better. Danny Shelton or Malcom Brown along with a La'el Collins would improve the team instantly. Mariota is a reach and so is Bradford. We would be better off sticking with McCown and Manziel for this year. But I do not see that happening. I sure hope I am wrong.
i see this still floating around on other social media and it's really just disturbing at this point.
if, IF for any reason farmer is pulled into some trade scheme for bradford my faith in him would diminish immensely that minute.
i tend to believe that they were looking at bradford at one point trying to figure out the QB thing this year but now you have to ask yourself: was that a serious inquiry? we know this because some nfl insider reporter told us so? at this point with 7 days to go until the draft you have to take all these rumors with a grain of salt.
i think farmer and co. are smarter than what people are giving them credit for.
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I'm praying you and others are correct. Maybe it's a smoke screen. I'm sure by now the front office is well aware that this draft will determine their future as Browns. We need to keep those two first round picks even if one is a wide receiver. But there is depth at this position so why not draft the best available and tell Chip Kelly to go screw himself. If they do that I will truly believe in Farmer. When the phone rings on draft day they should tell Chip he's sh-t out of luck. Because if you look back at teams that traded up by giving up draft picks....Robert Griffin, Sammy Watkins etc it just was not worth it. And word is Kelly wants more than just our number 12 and 19. That leaves us at 20 and 43 to draft a pass rusher and a wide receiver when we could have had Shelton, Collins, and a wide receiver.
I was scratching my head last year at the Gilbert and Manziel pick but Buffalo took Watkins and still has no quarterback.
In a few days Farmer and Company can show us what the future for the Browns will look like.
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what's in the past is in the past. if you make mistakes learn from them. only mistake i see so far from last year's draft was letting the owner lean on farmer for a certain pick. other than that it was aces.
i don't care if farmer decides to make some moves and go up and get someone that THEY want, but to have 2 picks in the first, especially in that area, the browns could seriously add some real talent to any position. i think they still might go for a QB but my feeling is (unless they are sold on mariota) they'll do that in the second with a petty or a hundley.
but then again, 7 more days and who knows?
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what's in the past is in the past. if you make mistakes learn from them. only mistake i see so far from last year's draft was letting the owner lean on farmer for a certain pick. other than that it was aces.
i don't care if farmer decides to make some moves and go up and get someone that THEY want, but to have 2 picks in the first, especially in that area, the browns could seriously add some real talent to any position. i think they still might go for a QB but my feeling is (unless they are sold on mariota) they'll do that in the second with a petty or a hundley.
but then again, 7 more days and who knows?
what's in the past is in the past. if you make mistakes learn from them. only mistake i see so far from last year's draft was letting the owner lean on farmer for a certain pick. other than that it was aces.
i don't care if farmer decides to make some moves and go up and get someone that THEY want, but to have 2 picks in the first, especially in that area, the browns could seriously add some real talent to any position. i think they still might go for a QB but my feeling is (unless they are sold on mariota) they'll do that in the second with a petty or a hundley.
but then again, 7 more days and who knows?
Well, if you don't believe the rumors on Haslam - then it was Farmer who wanted Manziel. Which gives me reason for pause.
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Shelton is the truest NT to come along in a decade. If you don't go get him than just switch to a 4-3.
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what's in the past is in the past. if you make mistakes learn from them. only mistake i see so far from last year's draft was letting the owner lean on farmer for a certain pick. other than that it was aces.
i don't care if farmer decides to make some moves and go up and get someone that THEY want, but to have 2 picks in the first, especially in that area, the browns could seriously add some real talent to any position. i think they still might go for a QB but my feeling is (unless they are sold on mariota) they'll do that in the second with a petty or a hundley.
but then again, 7 more days and who knows?
Well, if you don't believe the rumors on Haslam - then it was Farmer who wanted Manziel. Which gives me reason for pause.
Well, if you don't believe the rumors on Haslam - then it was Farmer who wanted Manziel. Which gives me reason for pause.
i believe it was haslam all the way.
c'mon, the old tennessee southern privileged sour mash drinking club? like there were no calls made, greasy hands shaken and cigars smoked.
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I still would consider Glennon over Bradford and once Petty is Ready to come off the Board.. S. Ray now falling due to Toe surgery does not help us at all in landing The Great Pumpkin in Shelton. New Orange or Brown Jersey we may lose picks, but get Shelton period....
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what's in the past is in the past. if you make mistakes learn from them. only mistake i see so far from last year's draft was letting the owner lean on farmer for a certain pick. other than that it was aces.
i don't care if farmer decides to make some moves and go up and get someone that THEY want, but to have 2 picks in the first, especially in that area, the browns could seriously add some real talent to any position. i think they still might go for a QB but my feeling is (unless they are sold on mariota) they'll do that in the second with a petty or a hundley.
but then again, 7 more days and who knows?
Well, if you don't believe the rumors on Haslam - then it was Farmer who wanted Manziel. Which gives me reason for pause.
Well, if you don't believe the rumors on Haslam - then it was Farmer who wanted Manziel. Which gives me reason for pause.
One swing and presumed miss (though I'll give him another year before declaring the Weedonity) on a heisman winning QB isn't a tragedy. Outside of that, every other pick has been solid or outstanding, before you even start looking at UDFAs. The only question mark is Gilbert, who himself has actually performed better than many realised.
I don't have much pause on Farmer's talent evaluation skills, just hope he gets the first round selections right.
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On NFL Network combination McShay-Kiper mock draft last night they picked Shelton for the Browns at #12. Bill Polian disagreed with their pick saying the Shelton had not met the "NFL measurables" for the position and would not be a good pick for the Browns there.
Comments?
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On NFL Network combination McShay-Kiper mock draft last night they picked Shelton for the Browns at #12. Bill Polian disagreed with their pick saying the Shelton had not met the "NFL measurables" for the position and would not be a good pick for the Browns there.
Comments?
On NFL Network combination McShay-Kiper mock draft last night they picked Shelton for the Browns at #12. Bill Polian disagreed with their pick saying the Shelton had not met the "NFL measurables" for the position and would not be a good pick for the Browns there.
Comments?
Ive been willing to admit Shelton isnt my first choice either , but not because he doesnt have the tools....more of a need vs availability thing....
so....Id be curious if he said who would be the better pick?......and why?
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Shelton has "gassed" issues doesn't he?
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gassed? do you know how much he played of all the plays?
http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/cfb/39362/shelton-played-2nd-most-snaps-of-any-fbs-dt
Washington DT Danny Shelton played 922 snaps in 2014, which was the second most of any FBS DT, according to Steve Palazzalo.
Palazzalo corrected the linked tweet from 874 to 922, which is good for 80 percent of the school's snaps. It surely highlights the motor of Shelton, but he would be a much more effective player with a lower snap count. We have seen this in the past with a player like Kawann Short, who was on the field for roughly 60 percent of the Panthers snaps this year. For those who watch Short and Star Lotulelei, that rotation greatly helps their impact. Not every team can afford to rotate players up front due to depth, but the best defensive fronts tend to.and, from the second link:The Washington prospect recorded 93 tackles, 16.5 tackles for a loss, with nine sacks and five fumble recoveries in 2014 -
Think it was at the Senior Bowl, a few people commented on it. I obviously don't know, hence my question...
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gassed? do you know how much he played of all the plays?
http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/cfb/39362/shelton-played-2nd-most-snaps-of-any-fbs-dt
Washington DT Danny Shelton played 922 snaps in 2014, which was the second most of any FBS DT, according to Steve Palazzalo.
Palazzalo corrected the linked tweet from 874 to 922, which is good for 80 percent of the school's snaps. It surely highlights the motor of Shelton, but he would be a much more effective player with a lower snap count. We have seen this in the past with a player like Kawann Short, who was on the field for roughly 60 percent of the Panthers snaps this year. For those who watch Short and Star Lotulelei, that rotation greatly helps their impact. Not every team can afford to rotate players up front due to depth, but the best defensive fronts tend to.and, from the second link:The Washington prospect recorded 93 tackles, 16.5 tackles for a loss, with nine sacks and five fumble recoveries in 2014gassed? do you know how much he played of all the plays?
http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/cfb/39362/shelton-played-2nd-most-snaps-of-any-fbs-dt
Washington DT Danny Shelton played 922 snaps in 2014, which was the second most of any FBS DT, according to Steve Palazzalo.
Palazzalo corrected the linked tweet from 874 to 922, which is good for 80 percent of the school's snaps. It surely highlights the motor of Shelton, but he would be a much more effective player with a lower snap count. We have seen this in the past with a player like Kawann Short, who was on the field for roughly 60 percent of the Panthers snaps this year. For those who watch Short and Star Lotulelei, that rotation greatly helps their impact. Not every team can afford to rotate players up front due to depth, but the best defensive fronts tend to.and, from the second link:The Washington prospect recorded 93 tackles, 16.5 tackles for a loss, with nine sacks and five fumble recoveries in 2014Well that explains why he was wore out.
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Ah, that was at the end of the season. But he's a 340 lb man with a high motor,
I don't know that anybody can think he is short winded or anything.
I'll bet there are times when Taylor and Shelton would be on
the dline at the same time. That would rock. I mean, look at
the sacks and tackles for loss. He isn't just a big rock.
That's a very, very special player right there.
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