Tea Party Membership - Revoked!
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Ah, I think you are probably correct. But free always seems to always
to cost too much money to really work. I mean, rates keep going up for
individual use for those who have money, and eventually goes into
the red, like social security is going. If all you had was the socialized med system,
then everybody would have to use it. And, rates would have to go up...
The whole subject of healthcare financing warps my psyche.
And anytime the fed runs the show, the high level of control is extremely inefficient.
Ah, I think you are probably correct. But free always seems to always
to cost too much money to really work. I mean, rates keep going up for
individual use for those who have money, and eventually goes into
the red, like social security is going. If all you had was the socialized med system,
then everybody would have to use it. And, rates would have to go up...
The whole subject of healthcare financing warps my psyche.
And anytime the fed runs the show, the high level of control is extremely inefficient.
Where I think there could be savings are in things like MRIs and CT scans. I would like to see what the cost difference is between how much the government pays out to a facility to give a tax payer an MRI in the NHS as opposed to getting one insured or out of pocket in the U.S. I paid out of pocket years ago for an MRI and it was outrageous.
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egad. Out of pocket for an MRI ???
I admit, this whole subject gets me confused. Costs are skyrocketing? A lot of folks who
COULD work, get it for free, and did long before obamaodoesn'tcare, because
they could go to the emergency rooms. But, that clogged up emergency rooms with
non-emergencies.
But, hospitals built those buildings, bought all that equipement, doctors paid for all their
schooling, opening up all their offices, all those utility bills, etc, etc.
If the government wants to build their buildings, pay their own bills, do their own hiring, etc...
I'm good with that. All of our taxes go into that. However, I would never go to a gov hospital,
and go to whoever was there, to have a new knee, which I will need eventually, when it finally
forces me to...... I will go to the very best surgeon I can find. Which btw, I've gone to two of the best,
and both say they can't believe I haven't had it done already. hahaha.
The main fault of obamaocare, is that it went to interfere with our outstanding, albeit more expensive all the time,
medical care system, and tried to screw it over until gov hc had a monopoly. The way I would do it, is people could go
and use that, emergency rooms get a lot of relief, as well as private hospitals would have less pressure, and
people could to their doctor without having a 6 week wait for an appt.
Right now, because our family dr has patients on obamaocare, a certain # of her patients need to sign up
to be able to access their medical records electronically. So, we did, to help her out, because if that percentage
signing up, don't meet obamaocare requirements, they ***cut back payments*** to the dr.
More economic use as a cattle prod. As a "weapon". I made a joke that our dr, who has been just that since
I was in the AF, and was my parents dr... is now more like an air traffic controller. She really laughed, and said
hc needed fixing, but youknowwhocare was complicating everything. New computer funky system required,
reports and paperwork overload, etc etc etc etc.
It's like teaching. Used to be, teachers loved teaching and got to do it most all the time. Now? A special ed teacher
has IEP's getting longer, and longer, and more and more complicated, and reports, and IEP's change again and again
and again in structure, and now a lot of teachers don't teach as much, as they have to get students to conform
to standardized testiing expectations. There are outstanding teachers, who are getting more and more stressed,
that can't wait to retire asap.
I am fine with fed standards if they are valid. But fed control over everything is so inefficient, nobody wins.
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The Federal Government does a few things well. Well, at least one.
The national park system, although unconstitutional is still a decently run organization.
I used to point to the military as another institution that the U.S. national government was good at but it's being run down and poorly managed at the top.
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Ah, I think you are probably correct. But free always seems to always
to cost too much money to really work. I mean, rates keep going up for
individual use for those who have money, and eventually goes into
the red, like social security is going. If all you had was the socialized med system,
then everybody would have to use it. And, rates would have to go up...
The whole subject of healthcare financing warps my psyche.
And anytime the fed runs the show, the high level of control is extremely inefficient.
Where I think there could be savings are in things like MRIs and CT scans. I would like to see what the cost difference is between how much the government pays out to a facility to give a tax payer an MRI in the NHS as opposed to getting one insured or out of pocket in the U.S. I paid out of pocket years ago for an MRI and it was outrageous.
Where I think there could be savings are in things like MRIs and CT scans. I would like to see what the cost difference is between how much the government pays out to a facility to give a tax payer an MRI in the NHS as opposed to getting one insured or out of pocket in the U.S. I paid out of pocket years ago for an MRI and it was outrageous.
When I used TRICARE for some CT scans a few years back the charged cost was around 1600 dollars. I think Tricare paid around 400.
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Where I think there could be savings are in things like MRIs and CT scans. I would like to see what the cost difference is between how much the government pays out to a facility to give a tax payer an MRI in the NHS as opposed to getting one insured or out of pocket in the U.S. I paid out of pocket years ago for an MRI and it was outrageous.
When I used TRICARE for some CT scans a few years back the charged cost was around 1600 dollars. I think Tricare paid around 400.
When I used TRICARE for some CT scans a few years back the charged cost was around 1600 dollars. I think Tricare paid around 400.
I paid almost 2k out of pocket. I was young and did contract work that did not give me insurance. I got a cancer scare and ended up paying for everything out of pocket. It was a money pit. Won't go uninsured ever again.
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If health care went to evil socialization the answer wouled be:
Who gets the free shit Steve is so outraged about: everyone
Who pays for it: everyone
But of course they don't.
WSS
But of course they don't.
WSS
I can't speak for welfare and ssid recipients but if you think because I make 60 some thousand a year instead of 90 some thousand and am therefore qualified for a subsidy that I don't pay far out the ass for taxes you are very wrong
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But of course they don't.
WSS
I can't speak for welfare and ssid recipients but if you think because I make 60 some thousand a year instead of 90 some thousand and am therefore qualified for a subsidy that I don't pay far out the ass for taxes you are very wrong
I can't speak for welfare and ssid recipients but if you think because I make 60 some thousand a year instead of 90 some thousand and am therefore qualified for a subsidy that I don't pay far out the ass for taxes you are very wrong
Nobody is picking on you. No need to be so defensive.
WSS
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Feels like some of you are whining that I qualify for a subsidy and I'm taking it. I'd prefer to make 95000 a year and pay 12000 so I could still make 83000 a year if one of you fellas could go ahead and hook me up with a hundred grand a year job that'd be stellar.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
Feels like some of you are whining that I qualify for a subsidy and I'm taking it. I'd prefer to make 95000 a year and pay 12000 so I could still make 83000 a year if one of you fellas could go ahead and hook me up with a hundred grand a year job that'd be stellar.
Feels like some of you are whining that I qualify for a subsidy and I'm taking it. I'd prefer to make 95000 a year and pay 12000 so I could still make 83000 a year if one of you fellas could go ahead and hook me up with a hundred grand a year job that'd be stellar.
But you're taking something from the government, you lazy, no good bum. Are you an immigrant too?
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Que?
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Sarcasm.
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Feels like some of you are whining that I qualify for a subsidy and I'm taking it. I'd prefer to make 95000 a year and pay 12000 so I could still make 83000 a year if one of you fellas could go ahead and hook me up with a hundred grand a year job that'd be stellar.
Feels like some of you are whining that I qualify for a subsidy and I'm taking it. I'd prefer to make 95000 a year and pay 12000 so I could still make 83000 a year if one of you fellas could go ahead and hook me up with a hundred grand a year job that'd be stellar.
You stated how affordable your healthcare is now. I wasn't whining because you qualify for a subsidy. I think it's great that your wife is able to be a stay at home Mom, and a subsidy helps you to afford your coverage. I just wanted to point out, that Obamacare really isn't all that affordable, for someone who doesn't qualify for a subsidy. That's my big gripe.
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I get it but like I was getting at if I made $95,000 and had to pay 1000 a month putting me around $83,000 I'd still be making more money than I am now and while I'm not rich I have nice stuff and I'm comfortable and all my needs are met and I am still able to have a savings and grow it so really that is affordable. I guess what I'm saying is if a family of four can't live on $83,000 a year they're probably living above their means. I have no clue what the cutoff for one or two people is.
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Your hospitals seem to be run basically as businesses, with massive costs for things. Which of course means insurance is needed, because nobody pays the massive costs. So then it becomes something of a racket between insurance companies and hospitals, and the prices just keep going up and up and up.
Here's where I lean left - healthcare is a basic service required by everybody that should be denied to nobody. Thus, it should be run by the state.
I tried to do a web search to give me a list of the 10 best hospitals in the world, unfortunately every site I found listed 10 us Hospital. I don't know if the search mistakenly thought I only meant the 10 best us Hospital or if the 10 best hospitals in the world are here. I'm not sure but I would guess the latter.Your hospitals seem to be run basically as businesses, with massive costs for things. Which of course means insurance is needed, because nobody pays the massive costs. So then it becomes something of a racket between insurance companies and hospitals, and the prices just keep going up and up and up.
Here's where I lean left - healthcare is a basic service required by everybody that should be denied to nobody. Thus, it should be run by the state.
WSS
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I tried to do a web search to give me a list of the 10 best hospitals in the world, unfortunately every site I found listed 10 us Hospital. I don't know if the search mistakenly thought I only meant the 10 best us Hospital or if the 10 best hospitals in the world are here. I'm not sure but I would guess the latter.Your hospitals seem to be run basically as businesses, with massive costs for things. Which of course means insurance is needed, because nobody pays the massive costs. So then it becomes something of a racket between insurance companies and hospitals, and the prices just keep going up and up and up.
Here's where I lean left - healthcare is a basic service required by everybody that should be denied to nobody. Thus, it should be run by the state.
WSS
I tried to do a web search to give me a list of the 10 best hospitals in the world, unfortunately every site I found listed 10 us Hospital. I don't know if the search mistakenly thought I only meant the 10 best us Hospital or if the 10 best hospitals in the world are here. I'm not sure but I would guess the latter.
WSS
I'd imagine there's a pretty high number of them in the US, for various reasons*, but how many people get to use them? And how much do people pay in insurance costs because of it?
*Reasons:
The aforementioned business-ness of them, they have more money to spend on more things.
There are a large number of hospitals in the US!
There will most likely be a large 'western' bias because western hospitals tend to be better, though there are plenty in developed asia that will be in there.
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I tried to do a web search to give me a list of the 10 best hospitals in the world, unfortunately every site I found listed 10 us Hospital. I don't know if the search mistakenly thought I only meant the 10 best us Hospital or if the 10 best hospitals in the world are here. I'm not sure but I would guess the latter.
WSS
I'd imagine there's a pretty high number of them in the US, for various reasons*, but how many people get to use them? And how much do people pay in insurance costs because of it?
*Reasons:
The aforementioned business-ness of them, they have more money to spend on more things.
There are a large number of hospitals in the US!
There will most likely be a large 'western' bias because western hospitals tend to be better, though there are plenty in developed asia that will be in there.
Well whatever someone might call anti-western bias... Kind of like us bragging that United States baseball teams are the best in the world and other countries resenting that. At any rate as I've mentioned before I can call the Cleveland Clinic and in less than 24 hours have an appointment to see one of the top retinal Dr in the world. When I was in college I also visited the free clinic a couple times were you sit around in a relative dump waiting a long. Of time to see whatever Dr had donated his or her time. When the band was on the road in Canada I took my guys to the medical facility in the city we were in a couple of times. Both times were in actual cities, not out in the bush, and were far below what we've come to expect in the United States.I guess if you grow up somewhere where a specific service is just given to you you might not expect excellence. "Whaddya want for free?" And before you mention it we could probably get along with a lot worse. I suppose in Bangladesh people don't mind walking 4 miles to collect a bag of government provided rice and powdered milk. I personally prefer The Olive Garden.I'd imagine there's a pretty high number of them in the US, for various reasons*, but how many people get to use them? And how much do people pay in insurance costs because of it?
*Reasons:
The aforementioned business-ness of them, they have more money to spend on more things.
There are a large number of hospitals in the US!
There will most likely be a large 'western' bias because western hospitals tend to be better, though there are plenty in developed asia that will be in there.
Actually we can set up a two-tiered system where there would be facilities like the free clinic I mentioned and the top notch medical centers but you know how Americans are. The people getting the free shit (well more likely the politicians) would start bitching that they deserve what other people have to pay for then the community organizers are off to the races.
WSS
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We have a two tiered system here, but it's very much the norm to go free on NHS. Private healthcare exists but it's usually a corporate perk - I have it, but have never used (needed) it. From what I understand, though, it's a bit of a ball ache to get to see someone about, well, ball ache for example. You need to go see your GP who refers you to a specialist, you have to go to an 'insurer approved' specialist who then decides your course of treatment. For long term things it's probably incredible, but for broken whatevers, for emergencies, it's no different really to NHS.
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Yeah I was on a plan similar to that before the ACA pushed it out of existence. Not much trouble because my primary care physician would set me up with a referral for anything I ever needed.
And another problem with our free shit is that so many people on Medicaid, who use the system for free, drag the kids to the emergency room for every bout of sneezing or diarrhea.
WSS
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We're getting that now, because it takes so long to get in to see a doctor. We have a thing called 'urgent care centres' which are kind of like non-emergency emergency centres. Trying to save Accident and Emergency rooms for real emergencies, they want people to go to the UCC with smaller breaks, twists, sprains, cuts, things like that.
Bottom line, though, is that we don't have enough GPs - the old country GP is 50-60, and will retire in the next 20 years, and we're not training enough to take over. So waiting times go up for that, and people go to hospitals.
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Don't they still use leeches in the UK?
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