Jonathan Paul Manziel
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lol.. well troll on then...
Say we pull off the deal w/ TN (and we should.... it's pretty generous), but get stuck at #2. Who do you take? MM? It's what you had to have been telling NYJ you were prepared to do, if they did not deal.
There'd be other calls as well.... SD?
I do love the detail though... like getting 2016 picks involved. What's the discount two years out?
I'd take Mariota if we were absolutely, positively stuck. However, I think there'd be more than one willing trade partner. In this scenario, my end game is to get both a first and second round pick in 2016, and get the most talented player at (probably) our biggest area of need.
Depth is supremely important, but adding Williams and Cardale Jones (to me) makes up for the loss of possible draft depth.
Just watched the Farmer pressy and....as usual.....the guy was a rock. Very very little insight into their thinking for the draft.
Just a lot of "we will try to get better"....drive competition....etc......BUT.....BUT......
the one think he did address and speak to....that I believed....was when he was asked about rumors of us moving up or trading multiple picks for a qb. And his response basically.....to me......said he thinks it's foolish to overspend, when the draft is so uncertain......and he also said he thinks QB is important, but has come to terms with the fact that there is no silver bullet and you dont burn your draft hoping that there is.....bottom line...you build a solid TEAM and then win with an average QB.....and if the cards fall right and you get lucky with a Brady or an opportunity for a Luck, then great....but you dont force it or expect it or plan on it...
So....my take......we aren't trading up.....
Except that rarely happens. Teams don't find sustained postseason success with an average QB. I'd rather go 4-12 and keep swinging for the fences on QB's than go 9-7 and continually lose in the wild card round.
Except that rarely happens. Teams don't find sustained postseason success with an average QB. I'd rather go 4-12 and keep swinging for the fences on QB's than go 9-7 and continually lose in the wild card round.
Flacco, Matty Ice, Stafford, Kaepnernick, Wilson. All slightly above average that have hot and cold streaks surrounded with some good talent and contest for playoff spots. In the case of Wilson, SuperBowls.
edit: I could also toss in Alex Smith, Cam Newton and Dalton.
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Heres Farmers direct quote so everyone can form their own opinion......paying attention to the last part....because spending 2 first round picks to move up sounds a lot like a silver bullet to me....
5) Pre-draft speculation, particularly about QBs, puts a smile on Farmer’s face
Farmer said he was unsure why he’s been linked so much to Mariota in pre-draft buzz and speculated it might stem from answering a question about Mariota in slightly different fashion at the 2014 NFL Combine. “I don’t know why that is but it seems to make for good media because people like it. You read it, you see it, it’s what it is,” Farmer said, referencing the constant speculation about the Browns looking for a quarterback. “At the end of the day, the objective is to improve your football team and to win football games. I get that there’s this notion at times that there’s this silver bullet or there’s this one magic player that’s going to walk in here on a horse and we’re going to start winning games and he’s going to be the reason we did it. I just don’t believe in the fairy tale anymore.”
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Except that rarely happens. Teams don't find sustained postseason success with an average QB. I'd rather go 4-12 and keep swinging for the fences on QB's than go 9-7 and continually lose in the wild card round.
Flacco, Matty Ice, Stafford, Kaepnernick, Wilson. All slightly above average that have hot and cold streaks surrounded with some good talent and contest for playoff spots. In the case of Wilson, SuperBowls.
edit: I could also toss in Alex Smith, Cam Newton and Dalton.
Flacco, Matty Ice, Stafford, Kaepnernick, Wilson. All slightly above average that have hot and cold streaks surrounded with some good talent and contest for playoff spots. In the case of Wilson, SuperBowls.
edit: I could also toss in Alex Smith, Cam Newton and Dalton.
A few things:
1) I'd say Ryan and Wilson are probably considered slightly more than "above average". They are normally top 10 - 12 in QBR (going off of memory).
2) Four of those guys are first overall picks. A fifth (Flacco) is a top 20 pick. If your point was that we shouldn't take a first round QB...I think you kind of missed on that mark.
3) Dalton was the exact guy I was referencing in my previous statement. He's won exactly zero playoff games in his career. The Bengals win just enough games to pick in the middle of the pack, but don't ever compete in the postseason. Is that really a better position?
Of all of those guys, Flacco is probably the one who makes your case the most. Career rating around 85, not a first overall pick (but still a middle-first round pick), has experienced success in the postseason, has made it to the Super Bowl... and won.
When you say "average", I think Hoyer, Cassel, Ponder, Fitzpatrick, Schaub, Cousins, Anderson, McCoy, Orton, etc. Guys that went in middle-late rounds (or undrafted) that have average talent and are serviceable. I would also include Kaepernick in there, except this year really threw a wrench in things. Now I'm not even sure that Kaep is an average QB...he may be a full-on system QB.
Not first round guys or guys who have career ratings in the 95-105 range. That's not average. That's "franchise level" talent.
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NJ.com's Mark Eckel passes along a "rumor making its rounds in NFL personnel meetings" of the Eagles trading Sam Bradford to the Browns for the No. 19 overall pick in the draft.
The Browns already offered No. 19 to the Rams for Bradford, prior to his trade to Philadelphia. St. Louis didn't accept because it wanted a quarterback, and wound up acquiring Nick Foles. The Browns are "still said to have interest" in Bradford. Per Eckel, the rumor has the Eagles then sending Nos. 19 and 20 -- plus Mychal Kendricks and Fletcher Cox -- to the Titans in exchange for No. 2 overall, where Philly would select Marcus Mariota. Bleacher Report's Jason Cole reported Friday that Bradford currently believes the Eagles may be planning to trade him.
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If The Cleveland Browns trade a 1st round pick for Sam Bradford I think that will be my final straw. I'd probably root for whatever team moves to Los Angeles. Why would you trade a 1st round pick for a 13 million dollar a year QB who has missed 31 games in 5 seasons and entertaining the final year of his contract who considered retirement a few months ago and has openly said he wouldn't extend his contract in Cleveland. Please let these rumors just be rumors.
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If The Cleveland Browns trade a 1st round pick for Sam Bradford I think that will be my final straw. I'd probably root for whatever team moves to Los Angeles. Why would you trade a 1st round pick for a 13 million dollar a year QB who has missed 31 games in 5 seasons and entertaining the final year of his contract who considered retirement a few months ago and has openly said he wouldn't extend his contract in Cleveland. Please let these rumors just be rumors.
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If The Cleveland Browns trade a 1st round pick for Sam Bradford I think that will be my final straw. I'd probably root for whatever team moves to Los Angeles. Why would you trade a 1st round pick for a 13 million dollar a year QB who has missed 31 games in 5 seasons and entertaining the final year of his contract who considered retirement a few months ago and has openly said he wouldn't extend his contract in Cleveland. Please let these rumors just be rumors.
Yeah but it would not be The Browns if we did not do something stupid at least once a month
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Can't wait til they ship him to Philly on draft night.
I called it. Saw it coming months before last year's draft.
Have some of us been vindicated? YOU BET!
ARE SOME OF US HAPPY?!??! HELL FUCKING NO! We blew another first round pick on a bum.
But as an organization, we can "RIGHT" the wrong.
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I actually think Bradford might be a good trade.
He's just been "unlucky".
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I actually think Bradford might be a good trade.
He's just been "unlucky".
Not that he is a bad player.....with his record of knee injuries it is too much of a risk .......... we would need another pick based on success
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Can't wait til they ship him to Philly on draft night.
I called it. Saw it coming months before last year's draft.
Have some of us been vindicated? YOU BET!
ARE SOME OF US HAPPY?!??! HELL FUCKING NO! We blew another first round pick on a bum.
But as an organization, we can "RIGHT" the wrong.
I called it. Saw it coming months before last year's draft.
Have some of us been vindicated? YOU BET!
ARE SOME OF US HAPPY?!??! HELL FUCKING NO! We blew another first round pick on a bum.
But as an organization, we can "RIGHT" the wrong.
ha...this is really great.......so, we blew "an extra" pick on selecting the heisman winning bum QB.....and you're pissed.....
Yet...on the very next thread you promote trading all our early picks to trade up and "take a risk" on heisman winning QB Mariota.....and then justify it by saying they are all risks....
My money says if we did that and he failed ....you would be the first in line for Farmers job(head).....
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tick tock.
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This chick is crazy.
Run, Johnny, run.
Zombo
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Can't wait til they ship him to Philly on draft night.
I called it. Saw it coming months before last year's draft.
Have some of us been vindicated? YOU BET!
ARE SOME OF US HAPPY?!??! HELL FUCKING NO! We blew another first round pick on a bum.
But as an organization, we can "RIGHT" the wrong.
Can't wait til they ship him to Philly on draft night.
I called it. Saw it coming months before last year's draft.
Have some of us been vindicated? YOU BET!
ARE SOME OF US HAPPY?!??! HELL FUCKING NO! We blew another first round pick on a bum.
But as an organization, we can "RIGHT" the wrong.
But you're a bigger jagoff than the Squeelers fans, if you aren't one anyway.
(Which is my bet)
WSS
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Zombo said:
This chick is crazy.
Run, Johnny, run.
How wholesome can a girl get?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Zombo said:
This chick is crazy.
Run, Johnny, run.
How wholesome can a girl get?
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If The Cleveland Browns trade a 1st round pick for Sam Bradford I think that will be my final straw. I'd probably root for whatever team moves to Los Angeles. Why would you trade a 1st round pick for a 13 million dollar a year QB who has missed 31 games in 5 seasons and entertaining the final year of his contract who considered retirement a few months ago and has openly said he wouldn't extend his contract in Cleveland. Please let these rumors just be rumors.
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If The Cleveland Browns trade a 1st round pick for Sam Bradford I think that will be my final straw. I'd probably root for whatever team moves to Los Angeles. Why would you trade a 1st round pick for a 13 million dollar a year QB who has missed 31 games in 5 seasons and entertaining the final year of his contract who considered retirement a few months ago and has openly said he wouldn't extend his contract in Cleveland. Please let these rumors just be rumors.
that would almost be worth it...
But yes I think that would be a terrible deal unless we get lucky and the guy doesn't get hurt again. I mean there's a chance he could be a solid starter in the NFL but there are so many strikes against that happening already. Not the least of which is if he's any good he'll be a free agent. If he's not we've wasted another number 1 pick.
WSS
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i saw three way.
am i in the wrong place?
(no, not talking 2 guy 3 way you fags)
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@douche-nozzle said:
Does that really surprise you? Have you ever known any front office to come straight out and tell the media the open truth about a situation like that?
I take Pettine at his word. I think he is a real straight shooter and I'm glad he's our head coach because of it. There is a certain way he has of looking people right in the eye and saying exactly what he thinks. That is something you either have or you don't. He does.
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@douche-nozzle said:
Does that really surprise you? Have you ever known any front office to come straight out and tell the media the open truth about a situation like that?
I take Pettine at his word. I think he is a real straight shooter and I'm glad he's our head coach because of it. There is a certain way he has of looking people right in the eye and saying exactly what he thinks. That is something you either have or you don't. He does.
I take Pettine at his word. I think he is a real straight shooter and I'm glad he's our head coach because of it. There is a certain way he has of looking people right in the eye and saying exactly what he thinks. That is something you either have or you don't. He does.
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i'll break it down even more.
i believe (and can see) that pettine farmer and the whole crew really want to field a big tough rough competitive team. no short slackin jaw jackin bullshit. go bust some skulls and get wins. mccown mccabe mccloud....it doesn't matter, run it up their gut, break 'em down and keep marching on until they can stop you.
NEXT!
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Zombo said:
This chick is crazy.
Run, Johnny, run.
How wholesome can a girl get?
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