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Need based picks, or BPA? Which do you prefer?

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  • BPA is much safer, but there are times you have to plug a hole, so the you take BPA at the position of need. The real trick is grading the players.

  • We shouldnt even be scouting players at locked up positions. Unless its a player who is obviously on another level we have enough needs to not have to worry about it.

  • browns past draft history going BPA is atrocious.

    courtney brown anyone?

  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    browns past draft history going BPA is atrocious.

    courtney brown anyone?

    @miktoxic said:

    browns past draft history going BPA is atrocious.

    courtney brown anyone?

    True, but he could have been considered a need as well. I personally though he was good WHEN he played. Just couldn't stay in the season more then 5 or so games a year.

  • I guess my question for this thread would be better with an example.

    If Mariotta/Winston (I know unlikely, it's just an example) fell to 12, would you take our "need" at QB whether you think they would be good or not, or go with the best available player?

    I would use a different set of QB's, but QB is a huge need for us. Names actually are irrelevant, would you reach(still first round pick) for a QB because of need? Or would you take a player(like a left tackle, that will play left tackle no moving) because he is the best player?

  • B BitchTits

    I guess my question for this thread would be better with an example.

    If Mariotta/Winston (I know unlikely, it's just an example) fell to 12, would you take our "need" at QB whether you think they would be good or not, or go with the best available player?

    I would use a different set of QB's, but QB is a huge need for us. Names actually are irrelevant, would you reach(still first round pick) for a QB because of need? Or would you take a player(like a left tackle, that will play left tackle no moving) because he is the best player?

    cbbacker said:

    I guess my question for this thread would be better with an example.

    If Mariotta/Winston (I know unlikely, it's just an example) fell to 12, would you take our "need" at QB whether you think they would be good or not, or go with the best available player?

    I would use a different set of QB's, but QB is a huge need for us. Names actually are irrelevant, would you reach(still first round pick) for a QB because of need? Or would you take a player(like a left tackle, that will play left tackle no moving) because he is the best player?

    A better example would be the new B/R mock that has us taking Grayson at 19 smh....
  • Flyin JF Flyin J

    cbbacker said:

    I guess my question for this thread would be better with an example.

    If Mariotta/Winston (I know unlikely, it's just an example) fell to 12, would you take our "need" at QB whether you think they would be good or not, or go with the best available player?

    I would use a different set of QB's, but QB is a huge need for us. Names actually are irrelevant, would you reach(still first round pick) for a QB because of need? Or would you take a player(like a left tackle, that will play left tackle no moving) because he is the best player?

    A better example would be the new B/R mock that has us taking Grayson at 19 smh....

    XxDaBuckeyexX said:

    A better example would be the new B/R mock that has us taking Grayson at 19 smh....

    that's dumb because grayson might be there in the 3rd round.

  • MudflyM Mudfly

    Dont think you can rely on either BPA or NEED alone....its gotta be a combination of both....plus consideration has to be given to what positions are deep and what positions gotta be tapped early....

    Not if we take him in the first... 😉 Shades of Wheezy reach!

    @mudfly said:

    Dont think you can rely on either BPA or NEED alone....its gotta be a combination of both....plus consideration has to be given to what positions are deep and what positions gotta be tapped early....

    Yup... call it a hybrid...

    Cluster players into groups based upon grades.

    When your pick rolls around take the player left in the top cluster of greatest need with consideration of options in subsequent rounds.

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  • I don't give a damn which way they think about it.....as long as they make a proper, quality choice for a change.

  • But the Browns need to stop the run. Who is the best player in this draft? ESPN's Bill Polian says Danny Shelton is a two down player. So is Malcom Brown or Eddie Goldman a better fit?

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  • Opal312O Opal312

    But the Browns need to stop the run. Who is the best player in this draft? ESPN's Bill Polian says Danny Shelton is a two down player. So is Malcom Brown or Eddie Goldman a better fit?

    @opal312 said:

    But the Browns need to stop the run. Who is the best player in this draft? ESPN's Bill Polian says Danny Shelton is a two down player. So is Malcom Brown or Eddie Goldman a better fit?

    if taylor can stay healthy a rotation between him and shelton is fine with me.

  • L LondonBrown

    BPA for me, having a stacked position is no bad thing, it means you can potentially let some guys go that might otherwise cost you a fortune. If you have someone to come in at C for instance you can let Mack get paid elsewhere* and use that money on 1-2 free agents at other positions that don't have that depth.

    *before people want to stab me this is just an example, I am aware how good Mack is

    @londonbrown said:

    BPA for me, having a stacked position is no bad thing, it means you can potentially let some guys go that might otherwise cost you a fortune. If you have someone to come in at C for instance you can let Mack get paid elsewhere* and use that money on 1-2 free agents at other positions that don't have that depth.

    *before people want to stab me this is just an example, I am aware how good Mack is

    If you see Cam Irving selected at 19 there's your answer. They say he's a better C than G or T. With our Line I would take him anyhow for anywhere IMO.. Resign Mack my best Option..

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  • i saw something on a sports channel somewhere that marpet would be best moved to C and if he is, is rated the #2 by mayock (don't know if a lot of people take mayock as being very knowledgeable, but i do). if he goes in the 2nd it will be a surprise to me even though people love his combine and senior bowl stuff.

    i'll pull for him anyways seeing as he grew up a mile from where i live now.

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  • I guess it depends on the gap between BPA and need. if you need an ex backer and one is rated at 9. 5 but the next available player, the BPA, is rated at 9. 6...

    WSS

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  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    i saw something on a sports channel somewhere that marpet would be best moved to C and if he is, is rated the #2 by mayock (don't know if a lot of people take mayock as being very knowledgeable, but i do). if he goes in the 2nd it will be a surprise to me even though people love his combine and senior bowl stuff.

    i'll pull for him anyways seeing as he grew up a mile from where i live now.

    @miktoxic said:

    i saw something on a sports channel somewhere that marpet would be best moved to C and if he is, is rated the #2 by mayock (don't know if a lot of people take mayock as being very knowledgeable, but i do). if he goes in the 2nd it will be a surprise to me even though people love his combine and senior bowl stuff.

    i'll pull for him anyways seeing as he grew up a mile from where i live now.

    In your same Boat. Living in N.C. Watching RB Todd Gurley in High School and WR Justin Hardy got to be a fan. But God not a Cowboy and not in our Division Please...

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  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    i saw something on a sports channel somewhere that marpet would be best moved to C and if he is, is rated the #2 by mayock (don't know if a lot of people take mayock as being very knowledgeable, but i do). if he goes in the 2nd it will be a surprise to me even though people love his combine and senior bowl stuff.

    i'll pull for him anyways seeing as he grew up a mile from where i live now.

    @miktoxic said:

    i saw something on a sports channel somewhere that marpet would be best moved to C and if he is, is rated the #2 by mayock (don't know if a lot of people take mayock as being very knowledgeable, but i do). if he goes in the 2nd it will be a surprise to me even though people love his combine and senior bowl stuff.

    I like Mayock as well. And McShay has said the same thing... that Marpet is the 2nd best interior linemen in the draft behind Erving.

    @opal312 said:

    But the Browns need to stop the run. Who is the best player in this draft? ESPN's Bill Polian says Danny Shelton is a two down player. So is Malcom Brown or Eddie Goldman a better fit?

    Polian actually called Shelton a 1.5 down player. Was dumping all over Shelton due to his 5.6 40 time at the Combine.

    "No successful lineman has ever been that slow."

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196

  • Shelton lines up closest to the ball and the QB is behind the center dropping backward into a pocket. I Will Bet on his SLOW Ass to get in the Pocket. It's not a 40 yard dash and I am not a Expert..

    Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends Team Brotherhood-"It's not about You,Me or I. It's about building We"..Hue Jackson
  • W Westside Steve

    I guess it depends on the gap between BPA and need. if you need an ex backer and one is rated at 9. 5 but the next available player, the BPA, is rated at 9. 6...

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    I guess it depends on the gap between BPA and need. if you need an ex backer and one is rated at 9. 5 but the next available player, the BPA, is rated at 9. 6...

    WSS

    Of course, if you rely on BPA, you might have a punter ranked 9.8 and take him in the 3rd round. But then, nobody would ever pass on a future SB-winning QB in order to draft a punter in the third round, right? Right? Oh, sorry Jacksonville.

  • gftChrisG gftChris

    @westside-steve said:

    I guess it depends on the gap between BPA and need. if you need an ex backer and one is rated at 9. 5 but the next available player, the BPA, is rated at 9. 6...

    WSS

    Of course, if you rely on BPA, you might have a punter ranked 9.8 and take him in the 3rd round. But then, nobody would ever pass on a future SB-winning QB in order to draft a punter in the third round, right? Right? Oh, sorry Jacksonville.

    @gftchris said:

    Of course, if you rely on BPA, you might have a punter ranked 9.8 and take him in the 3rd round. But then, nobody would ever pass on a future SB-winning QB in order to draft a punter in the third round, right? Right? Oh, sorry Jacksonville.

    that's true but if a punter is rated 9.8 I think about it just because you will probably have the best punter in the league for the next 13 years.

    😉

    WSS

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  • W Westside Steve

    @gftchris said:

    Of course, if you rely on BPA, you might have a punter ranked 9.8 and take him in the 3rd round. But then, nobody would ever pass on a future SB-winning QB in order to draft a punter in the third round, right? Right? Oh, sorry Jacksonville.

    that's true but if a punter is rated 9.8 I think about it just because you will probably have the best punter in the league for the next 13 years.

    😉

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    that's true but if a punter is rated 9.8 I think about it just because you will probably have the best punter in the league for the next 13 years.

    😉

    WSS

    Need a great Punter???.....instead of 'Fail for Cardale'.........maybe we should 'Take a shot for Scott?'

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