2015 - FA / Draft / Notes

JAFBF

I'm getting a bit perturbed about the upcoming Draft this Thursday, some crazy rumored moves that we just don't need to do with all the holes we have :

The warmup :

NFL Update @MySportsUpdate · Apr 25 Raiders GM Reggie McKenzie said he's had discussions about trading the 4th overall pick in Thursday's draft.

The Brown's aspect :

NFL Update @MySportsUpdate · 20h 20 hours ago Raiders & Browns have discussed a trade which sends the 4th pick to CLE in exchange for the 12th & 19th pick. More pieces would be involved.

Could the Browns possibly be targeted a WR ? :

NFL Update @MySportsUpdate · Apr 24 Amari Cooper visited every team in the top 10 except for the... Oakland Raiders.

EDIT :

A bit more thought on the possible trade with the Raiders . . . if we get their #1 next year in the deal, then I'm okay with it as it would give us the ammo to go after Cardale Jones.

Tim Couch Pulls Out

@jafbf said:

I'm getting a bit perturbed about the upcoming Draft this Thursday, some crazy rumored moves that we just don't need to do with all the holes we have :

The warmup :

The Brown's aspect :

Could the Browns possibly be targeted a WR ? :

EDIT :

A bit more thought on the possible trade with the Raiders . . . if we get their #1 next year in the deal, then I'm okay with it as it would give us the ammo to go after Cardale Jones.

I think if we're moving up to #4, we're probably looking at Mariota - assuming he falls past Tennessee. I definitely don't think we'd trade up for a WR.

Mudfly

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

I think if we're moving up to #4, we're probably looking at Mariota - assuming he falls past Tennessee. I definitely don't think we'd trade up for a WR.

What about Leonard?..... or Beasley?....or Fowler at #4?.....Personally, they're who I would go after if I was at 4.....

gftChris

Or possibly Leonard Williams, my 'pet' trade idea. If it goes Winston/Mariota/Fowler, I could see it happening.

gftChris

Mud, same page, stop it

tiamat63

If we get #4, damn well better be for Leonard or Shelton. All of the goodwill I have towards farmer for bringing in successful free agents, damn good draft picks (mainly starting with Bito) and UDFA's will go right to hell, very fast - should we trade up and take Mariota.

Tour2ma

If actually true, I doubt it's as much about a particular player as it is due diligence around various scenarios. That said, the value of that 4th pick is going to change with who "falls" to #4 and who wants that player... something we benefitted from last year.

@jafbf said:
A bit more thought on the possible trade with the Raiders . . . if we get their #1 next year in the deal, then I'm okay with it as it would give us the ammo to go after Cardale Jones.

Initially I thought their 2015 #2 to be a better possibility (especially if we chip in our 3rd or a player), but they might consider their 2016 #1, if they believe their record is going to improve considerably.

gumby73

Sounds to me a lot of toes in the Water.. If I put this all together correctly , Last Week it was #2 Tenn. First who wanted 3 first round picks than come back to us with wanting 12,19 and 43 and We turned that down even though the price went down??? Now we go to # 4 Oakland and 12,19 AND More LESSER Pieces would be involved I Would Hope. Farmer knows his guy, Farmer knows who he must jump in front of and know it comes down to at what price. Now two toes in the Water and getting crazier..

Mudfly

That #4 has a value of 1800 trade points....

So, if we were to trade #19 + our 3rd + next years first, that would offer 1980 pts.....and knowing how Oak needs WR, we sweeten it with JG.....(worth at least a few hundred more).....

Then.....we'd have #4 and #12 and could conceivably come out with Beasley(or Fowler) AND Shelton....

Id do it.....

gumby73

@mudfly said:

That #4 has a value of 1800 trade points....

So, if we were to trade #19 + our 3rd + next years first, that would offer 1980 pts.....and knowing how Oak needs WR, we sweeten it with JG.....(worth at least a few hundred more).....

Then.....we'd have #4 and #12 and could conceivably come out with Beasley(or Fowler) AND Shelton....

Id do it.....

If it were 2016 Gordon may work but for now all we got is Benjamin who is a FA 2016 and a lesser of Gordon if he stays on the field and that's a real ??? With possible C. Jones on board do we really want to give up a 1 in 2016 ??

Mudfly

@gumby73 said:
If it were 2016 Gordon may work but for now all we got is Benjamin who is a FA 2016 and a lesser of Gordon if he stays on the field and that's a real ???

can we not trade him while he's suspended?....Im asking because I dont know....

gumby73

Yea we could do it this year. Just changes Team Name of suspended player. It's fishing with no Bait till 2016

Mudfly

ok good....yeah, hes just a throw in freebie trade sweetner.....there's more than enough points to make the trade and Josh just gives it a lil more upside for the Raiders to consider......

JAFBF

Sheesh, I'm not sure what the Browns are thinking at the moment - due diligence, yeah :

Ian Rapoport @RapSheet · 19m 19 minutes ago #Browns have had talks with #Redskins over the past week about potentially moving up to No. 5. They’ve touched base with most Top 10 teams

Could be a wild night on Thursday.

gumby73

Well, Titians and Oakland get us in front of Jets for Mariota and Others. Skins get us in front of Bears and Giants for Shelton and S. Ray was their guy till Toe?? It will be Wild. Who's moving Before Thursday maybe the Question..

Tim Couch Pulls Out

@gumby73 said:

Well, Titians and Oakland get us in front of Jets for Mariota and Others. Skins get us in front of Bears and Giants for Shelton and S. Ray was their guy till Toe?? It will be Wild. Who's moving Before Thursday maybe the Question.. [/quote

Skins also get us in front of Jets if Mariota is there.

Due diligence is all.

tiamat63

Watching the Cotton Bowl. I think I'm on board with Petty in the 2nd or 3rd.

calfoxwc

So, Mayock has the Browns drafting Shelton.

And Gordon, RB.

Wow.

Tour2ma

At least Mayock did not go WR at 12 and then Gordon...

@tiamat63 said:
Watching the Cotton Bowl. I think I'm on board with Petty in the 2nd or 3rd.

There was a lot to like there... even in the 2nd, where I think he will go, I still think he's the best potential QB value in the draft... but he's going to have to sit for a while.

Anyway speaking of non-first-round QBs.... Hundley has kind of disappeared.

tiamat63

@tour2ma said:

At least Mayock did not go WR at 12 and then Gordon...

There was a lot to like there... even in the 2nd, where I think he will go, I still think he's the best potential QB value in the draft... but he's going to have to sit for a while.

Anyway speaking of non-first-round QBs.... Hundley has kind of disappeared.

The touch on the deep ball was something nice when Petty had the time to set his feet and drive off that back foot. It will take time to tighten his throwing motion and quicken that release, but he has a solid arm, mobile enough outside of the pocket and a good frame for the position. I was pleasantly surprised his eyes weren't as slow as I originally had believed.

That said, I want to go on record now. If given the option between Leonard and Shelton for the Browns defense - I take Shelton. I can't tell if Leonard is a touch slow off the ball because he just doesn't have that initial elite burst, or because he's being asked to 2 gap. Honestly, the latter seems more likely has he has a couple good pass rushing moves and uses his hands well. However given that Shelton carries another 40lbs, I think he moves just as well laterally down the line when engaged with a blocker(s)