Watch this video of Mariota vs. FSU, dude is not that accurate or good.
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Should we also grab an apple and an orange so you can tell us if they are good or not?
I mean, apples aren't bad. I favor oranges myself, home-made OJ hits the spot everytime.
edit: Quite clearly your argument to support Mariota based on completion percentage didn't go as planned given the offensive system Oregon (and similar schools) run
yields high percentage QB's season after season. Care to form another idea?
I mean, apples aren't bad. I favor oranges myself, home-made OJ hits the spot everytime.
edit: Quite clearly your argument to support Mariota based on completion percentage didn't go as planned given the offensive system Oregon (and similar schools) run
yields high percentage QB's season after season. Care to form another idea?
should he have bad percentages so you can compare him to a completely different QB with bad percentages?
I don't really know what you want me to tell you. I'm not basing anything on his statistical percentages, I've watched mariota play enough to know saying he is inaccurate and not good is pretty ignorant.
But anyone comparing tebow to mariota probably shouldn't have any credibility.
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I mean, apples aren't bad. I favor oranges myself, home-made OJ hits the spot everytime.
edit: Quite clearly your argument to support Mariota based on completion percentage didn't go as planned given the offensive system Oregon (and similar schools) run
yields high percentage QB's season after season. Care to form another idea?
should he have bad percentages so you can compare him to a completely different QB with bad percentages?
I don't really know what you want me to tell you. I'm not basing anything on his statistical percentages, I've watched mariota play enough to know saying he is inaccurate and not good is pretty ignorant.
But anyone comparing tebow to mariota probably shouldn't have any credibility.
should he have bad percentages so you can compare him to a completely different QB with bad percentages?
I don't really know what you want me to tell you. I'm not basing anything on his statistical percentages, I've watched mariota play enough to know saying he is inaccurate and not good is pretty ignorant.
But anyone comparing tebow to mariota probably shouldn't have any credibility.
I think if you yourself want to use the phrase apples to oranges, you need to take into context the offensive systems certain QB's play in.
You're not basing ANYTHING on his statistical percentages yet that's all you have quoted to support your argument. I've watch Mariota enough to tell you his accuracy is concerning, especially coming off of his primary read. That video along Walter posted demonstrates it multiple times in a single game.
That said, the Tebow comparison is spot fucking on. Similar systems of play yielding high completion percentages. Perhaps it's you without credibility?
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should he have bad percentages so you can compare him to a completely different QB with bad percentages?
I don't really know what you want me to tell you. I'm not basing anything on his statistical percentages, I've watched mariota play enough to know saying he is inaccurate and not good is pretty ignorant.
But anyone comparing tebow to mariota probably shouldn't have any credibility.
I think if you yourself want to use the phrase apples to oranges, you need to take into context the offensive systems certain QB's play in.
You're not basing ANYTHING on his statistical percentages yet that's all you have quoted to support your argument. I've watch Mariota enough to tell you his accuracy is concerning, especially coming off of his primary read. That video along Walter posted demonstrates it multiple times in a single game.
That said, the Tebow comparison is spot fucking on. Similar systems of play yielding high completion percentages. Perhaps it's you without credibility?
I think if you yourself want to use the phrase apples to oranges, you need to take into context the offensive systems certain QB's play in.
You're not basing ANYTHING on his statistical percentages yet that's all you have quoted to support your argument. I've watch Mariota enough to tell you his accuracy is concerning, especially coming off of his primary read. That video along Walter posted demonstrates it multiple times in a single game.
That said, the Tebow comparison is spot fucking on. Similar systems of play yielding high completion percentages. Perhaps it's you without credibility?
So tebow is a fair comparison to mariota because they both played in a spread with good stats? That's some spot on analysis where do I buy the insider subscription. Tebow and mariota are nothing alike, please stop. you don't want stats and my opinion is invalid but your opinion is valid? that makes sense. you only watch 4 bad passes and come to some conclusion about what type of throws he can and can't make and you know exactly how well he will transition to the NFL. surprise, you don't know and I don't know how well he will transition. Will he have things to develop and learn, of course. But saying he is inaccurate is laughable, he's displayed he can go through progressions and deliver passes accurately for three years in college and at pro day. He was the most consistent QB in college the last 3 years. Here is an opinion, I think gruden said it best lack of information is an understatement.
“I don’t know anybody in this draft that can do for a football team what Mariota can do,” Gruden said. “He can read the field. That whole thing about Oregon being a no-huddle, dive-option team, that is just a narrative resulting from a lack of information. The Ducks run a lot of pro-style concepts. Mariota does a lot with the protections. I’ve seen him throw the ball with touch and timing in tight windows.” The former Bucs coach points out that Mariota is the same size as Jameis Winston but runs 4.52 forty. He is incredibly elusive, and man, is he a playmaker and a great competitor. I see him functioning in the pocket, out of the pocket, and if you want to run a zone-read, he’ll rip the defense apart. He is like Russell Wilson, only he is 6-4.”
does gruden have zero credibility too?
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If he falls to 12, which he won't, then take him otherwise stay away.
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I think if you yourself want to use the phrase apples to oranges, you need to take into context the offensive systems certain QB's play in.
You're not basing ANYTHING on his statistical percentages yet that's all you have quoted to support your argument. I've watch Mariota enough to tell you his accuracy is concerning, especially coming off of his primary read. That video along Walter posted demonstrates it multiple times in a single game.
That said, the Tebow comparison is spot fucking on. Similar systems of play yielding high completion percentages. Perhaps it's you without credibility?
So tebow is a fair comparison to mariota because they both played in a spread with good stats? That's some spot on analysis where do I buy the insider subscription. Tebow and mariota are nothing alike, please stop. you don't want stats and my opinion is invalid but your opinion is valid? that makes sense. you only watch 4 bad passes and come to some conclusion about what type of throws he can and can't make and you know exactly how well he will transition to the NFL. surprise, you don't know and I don't know how well he will transition. Will he have things to develop and learn, of course. But saying he is inaccurate is laughable, he's displayed he can go through progressions and deliver passes accurately for three years in college and at pro day. He was the most consistent QB in college the last 3 years. Here is an opinion, I think gruden said it best lack of information is an understatement.
“I don’t know anybody in this draft that can do for a football team what Mariota can do,” Gruden said. “He can read the field. That whole thing about Oregon being a no-huddle, dive-option team, that is just a narrative resulting from a lack of information. The Ducks run a lot of pro-style concepts. Mariota does a lot with the protections. I’ve seen him throw the ball with touch and timing in tight windows.” The former Bucs coach points out that Mariota is the same size as Jameis Winston but runs 4.52 forty. He is incredibly elusive, and man, is he a playmaker and a great competitor. I see him functioning in the pocket, out of the pocket, and if you want to run a zone-read, he’ll rip the defense apart. He is like Russell Wilson, only he is 6-4.”
does gruden have zero credibility too?
So tebow is a fair comparison to mariota because they both played in a spread with good stats? That's some spot on analysis where do I buy the insider subscription. Tebow and mariota are nothing alike, please stop. you don't want stats and my opinion is invalid but your opinion is valid? that makes sense. you only watch 4 bad passes and come to some conclusion about what type of throws he can and can't make and you know exactly how well he will transition to the NFL. surprise, you don't know and I don't know how well he will transition. Will he have things to develop and learn, of course. But saying he is inaccurate is laughable, he's displayed he can go through progressions and deliver passes accurately for three years in college and at pro day. He was the most consistent QB in college the last 3 years. Here is an opinion, I think gruden said it best lack of information is an understatement.
“I don’t know anybody in this draft that can do for a football team what Mariota can do,” Gruden said. “He can read the field. That whole thing about Oregon being a no-huddle, dive-option team, that is just a narrative resulting from a lack of information. The Ducks run a lot of pro-style concepts. Mariota does a lot with the protections. I’ve seen him throw the ball with touch and timing in tight windows.” The former Bucs coach points out that Mariota is the same size as Jameis Winston but runs 4.52 forty. He is incredibly elusive, and man, is he a playmaker and a great competitor. I see him functioning in the pocket, out of the pocket, and if you want to run a zone-read, he’ll rip the defense apart. He is like Russell Wilson, only he is 6-4.”
does gruden have zero credibility too?
At this point you have to be a fucking troll because YOU started the stats argument in favor of Mariota. I then pointed out Tebow played in a similar system with very similar numbers. Then you come back with weak shit about chuckie's opinion. While the guy is a fine coach, he's not really a great talent evaluator, that's for damn certain.
I don't want one set of near bullshit stats that prove nothing, otherwise every fucking QB in a Mike Leech system is the next Manning using that metric.
As for T-biscuit and Super Mario -How they rate in comparable playing abilities? Well, they are more alike then not. Both struggle to come off of their first reads, anticipate throws or open windows in which they deliver late passes. Both had/have a tendency to have spurts of inaccuracy down the field on top of spraying the ball against zone coverage. Now, their mechanics may be different, Mariota's release is no where near as exaggerated or windmill as Tim's but their foowork goes to hell in a hurry when things break down.
I personally have watched quite a bit of Mariota. It's what I do, I love football, I play football, I watch football. I absorb what I see, process it and come out with a conclusion. So unless you are paid scout, service runner, Oregon coach or a member of an NFL front office, I'll bet the farm I've watched more tape on Marcus than you have.
Fuck me, I fell asleep last night watching the Stanford/Oregon game from the previous year. That is my passion for this game and my thirst to understand its players.
And if the Chuckie quote you're giving is from Gruden's QB camp, please.... tell me where he's said ONE bad thing about any QB yet in contrast giving wild comparison's to players that come on his show. You think players would agree season after season to participate if they feel they may be eviscerated because their talent level (or lack of) and thus affecting draft stock?
Troll better, come up with a better argument or see yourself the fuck out of this conversation.
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In Gruden/Kiper show Gruden said that Winston does not take care of the ball well enough... too many bad INTs.
I would also add that Mariotta is not Tebow 2.0.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
In Gruden/Kiper show Gruden said that Winston does not take care of the ball well enough... too many bad INTs.
I would also add that Mariotta is not Tebow 2.0.
In Gruden/Kiper show Gruden said that Winston does not take care of the ball well enough... too many bad INTs.
I would also add that Mariotta is not Tebow 2.0.
I don't believe Mariota is the next Tebow per say'. However the same knocks on Tebow when coming out (system, delivery, reads) are quite similar to those you hear on Mariota. Their are comparable traits in their games that are concerning. That's my point.
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Understood...
I'm just saying they won't even be close. MM looks like a franchise QB to me... one of those #10 to 20 QBs you can compete with for years to come. Is that worth 2 #1's or more? Different question... one to which I'd say no, but it's a very close call.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Understood...
I'm just saying they won't even be close. MM looks like a franchise QB to me... one of those #10 to 20 QBs you can compete with for years to come. Is that worth 2 #1's or more? Different question... one to which I'd say no, but it's a very close call.
Understood...
I'm just saying they won't even be close. MM looks like a franchise QB to me... one of those #10 to 20 QBs you can compete with for years to come. Is that worth 2 #1's or more? Different question... one to which I'd say no, but it's a very close call.
I don't expect Mariota to be quite as bad. Franchise worthy? We'll have to agree to disagree.
I'm actually kind of curious what you see in him that would convince you of that label...
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a lot of people here ( i know a couple) who are bellowing at the chance the browns make a move on mariota were all too convinced manziel was the best QB in the draft last year, lol.
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Understood...
I'm just saying they won't even be close. MM looks like a franchise QB to me... one of those #10 to 20 QBs you can compete with for years to come. Is that worth 2 #1's or more? Different question... one to which I'd say no, but it's a very close call.
I don't expect Mariota to be quite as bad. Franchise worthy? We'll have to agree to disagree.
I'm actually kind of curious what you see in him that would convince you of that label...
I don't expect Mariota to be quite as bad. Franchise worthy? We'll have to agree to disagree.
I'm actually kind of curious what you see in him that would convince you of that label...
Size, speed, arm strength, decision making and intangibles are all strengths. Now many will say the offense dictates his decision making but then you get into the "chicken or the egg" discussion. I wouldn't trade #12 and #19 for him not because of his lack of ability but the Browns need identity and stability and that would bring neither.
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I think we should stand pat and get Shelton, and an olineman. Definitely perryman if we can. MM will be a great QB I believe, but it's a team game. Winston has the next Jamarcus Russell written all over him.....
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He's the real deal.
I'm very confident on Mariota being a star.
The same level of confidence that i believe Manziel will be a bust last year.
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a lot of people here ( i know a couple) who are bellowing at the chance the browns make a move on mariota were all too convinced manziel was the best QB in the draft last year, lol.
a lot of people here ( i know a couple) who are bellowing at the chance the browns make a move on mariota were all too convinced manziel was the best QB in the draft last year, lol.
Big difference between "a lot" and "a couple"...
I don't expect Mariota to be quite as bad. Franchise worthy? We'll have to agree to disagree.
I'm actually kind of curious what you see in him that would convince you of that label...
I did not think my 10 to 20 appraisal was all that lofty.
Just a growing feeling that he is going to develop and be a consistently good, reliable QB for 10-15 years. I think his legs will buy him the time to develop, much as Wilson's have for him.
While I do have concerns over is lack of fire, I have zero concern that any leading he does will be in the right direction from the get-go.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I think if you yourself want to use the phrase apples to oranges, you need to take into context the offensive systems certain QB's play in.
You're not basing ANYTHING on his statistical percentages yet that's all you have quoted to support your argument. I've watch Mariota enough to tell you his accuracy is concerning, especially coming off of his primary read. That video along Walter posted demonstrates it multiple times in a single game.
That said, the Tebow comparison is spot fucking on. Similar systems of play yielding high completion percentages. Perhaps it's you without credibility?
So tebow is a fair comparison to mariota because they both played in a spread with good stats? That's some spot on analysis where do I buy the insider subscription. Tebow and mariota are nothing alike, please stop. you don't want stats and my opinion is invalid but your opinion is valid? that makes sense. you only watch 4 bad passes and come to some conclusion about what type of throws he can and can't make and you know exactly how well he will transition to the NFL. surprise, you don't know and I don't know how well he will transition. Will he have things to develop and learn, of course. But saying he is inaccurate is laughable, he's displayed he can go through progressions and deliver passes accurately for three years in college and at pro day. He was the most consistent QB in college the last 3 years. Here is an opinion, I think gruden said it best lack of information is an understatement.
“I don’t know anybody in this draft that can do for a football team what Mariota can do,” Gruden said. “He can read the field. That whole thing about Oregon being a no-huddle, dive-option team, that is just a narrative resulting from a lack of information. The Ducks run a lot of pro-style concepts. Mariota does a lot with the protections. I’ve seen him throw the ball with touch and timing in tight windows.” The former Bucs coach points out that Mariota is the same size as Jameis Winston but runs 4.52 forty. He is incredibly elusive, and man, is he a playmaker and a great competitor. I see him functioning in the pocket, out of the pocket, and if you want to run a zone-read, he’ll rip the defense apart. He is like Russell Wilson, only he is 6-4.”
does gruden have zero credibility too?
Gruden also gave Johnny Manziel a similar glowing evaluation.So tebow is a fair comparison to mariota because they both played in a spread with good stats? That's some spot on analysis where do I buy the insider subscription. Tebow and mariota are nothing alike, please stop. you don't want stats and my opinion is invalid but your opinion is valid? that makes sense. you only watch 4 bad passes and come to some conclusion about what type of throws he can and can't make and you know exactly how well he will transition to the NFL. surprise, you don't know and I don't know how well he will transition. Will he have things to develop and learn, of course. But saying he is inaccurate is laughable, he's displayed he can go through progressions and deliver passes accurately for three years in college and at pro day. He was the most consistent QB in college the last 3 years. Here is an opinion, I think gruden said it best lack of information is an understatement.
I dont know anybody in this draft that can do for a football team what Mariota can do, Gruden said. He can read the field. That whole thing about Oregon being a no-huddle, dive-option team, that is just a narrative resulting from a lack of information. The Ducks run a lot of pro-style concepts. Mariota does a lot with the protections. Ive seen him throw the ball with touch and timing in tight windows. The former Bucs coach points out that Mariota is the same size as Jameis Winston but runs 4.52 forty. He is incredibly elusive, and man, is he a playmaker and a great competitor. I see him functioning in the pocket, out of the pocket, and if you want to run a zone-read, hell rip the defense apart. He is like Russell Wilson, only he is 6-4.
does gruden
have zero credibility too?
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a lot of people here ( i know a couple) who are bellowing at the chance the browns make a move on mariota were all too convinced manziel was the best QB in the draft last year, lol.
Big difference between "a lot" and "a couple"...
I don't expect Mariota to be quite as bad. Franchise worthy? We'll have to agree to disagree.
I'm actually kind of curious what you see in him that would convince you of that label...
I did not think my 10 to 20 appraisal was all that lofty.
Just a growing feeling that he is going to develop and be a consistently good, reliable QB for 10-15 years. I think his legs will buy him the time to develop, much as Wilson's have for him.
While I do have concerns over is lack of fire, I have zero concern that any leading he does will be in the right direction from the get-go.
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Just tryin' to be neighborly...
6:15 and counting... down...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
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Here's what I've said about Mariota from day 1, using this list as a broad reference: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2014/11/13/nfl-qb-rankings-from-1-to-32-aaron-rodgers-tops-tom-brady-peyton-manning/ (p.s., list is arguable and hoyer is 11!)
Anywho, when you look at this list and think over the elite people in the game, only Cam Newton really doesn't fit the mold of the player that came from a more pro-style offense in college. Mariota came from the most true-spread scheme in the entire CFB landscape. Do I think he has tools to be successful at some level? Sure, but how many times are these QB's who come from spread schemes going to not live up to expectations before it becomes a pattern?
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