Browns nail 7 out of Top 100

The Gipper

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

I wasn't backing them, I was showing the rationale behind the B grade.

They thought our biggest needs were QB and WR, we didn't address them early enough (according to them) - hence the B grade.

It's not rocket science.

My point: drafting a Petty or Hundley would NOT under any circumstances have increased that "grade". They are bigger projects, bigger question marks than any of the players we may have taken in their stead. They are bigger projects, bigger question marks than Johnny Manziel.

The way to improve is to get better players, better depth of players. This I believe the Browns have done. Gotten better....not gotten just more questionable.

If they had gone and got a Winston or Mariota, then maybe it could be said things were different....but those guys were not "gettable", not at a price that I.....or the Browns were willing to pay.

And as for WR....the Browns addressed with two proven Veterans. (This is where Kiper was off on his comments.....He gave the Seahawks a high draft evaluation because they traded for Jimmy Graham. While I understand that....I think you also have to apply that to the FA market.) Plus, the Browns did draft a highly regarded WR.

Tour2ma

And pretty sure TCPO's point was that even drafting Petty would have raised our grades in the estimation of some draft analysts...

And since some specifically mention Petty, e.g., Kiper, that point is undeniable.

Whether it matters or not... different debate.

miktoxic

i hear you all about QB and WR.

BUT if you have studied farmer and pettine at all in these first 2 years then you have to believe and know that the QB and WR will come when the whole team is built.

who cares what grades the draft gets. anyone that knows what the browns needed to do priority-wise know that they hit on every mark.

mccown will be the starter and hopefully bridge the gap until manziel or whoever else comes in next year to become a competitor at that spot. WR.....they signed bowe and have a decent corp that didn't hurt us last year.

if 50% of the picks work out this year and the FO feels they have filled the holes and added depth who's to think they don't draft offensive weapons next year?

WalterWhite

@miktoxic said:
mccown will be the starter and hopefully bridge the gap until manziel

I am willing to bet almost anything McCown will NOT be the starter.

They are going all in on Manziel this year. They burnt a 1st and a 3rd on him so they will play him

All of this Pettine talk is to make sure Manziel knows he has to earn it and bust his ass this offseason.

This team may not go anywhere with Manziel, but isn't going ANYWHERE with McCown

The Gipper

@miktoxic said:

i hear you all about QB and WR.

BUT if you have studied farmer and pettine at all in these first 2 years then you have to believe and know that the QB and WR will come when the whole team is built.

That is the way many teams were built.....including the Patriots. When Tom Brady came in to relieve an injured Drew Bledsoe...do you think that team went on to win the SB solely on the strength of the new QB behind center? Well, it helped....but it would not have mattered if the rest of the team were shite. The same with the Steelers in the mid 2000s. Do you think that the Steelers went 15-1 in BRs rookie year and won the SB on the strength of just the below average at the time Ben Roethlisberger? Fuck no. It was the strength of each of those teams O Lines, D Lines, running game etc. that allowed them to highly succeed once they got the right pilot in control. This, I believe, is what the Browns are doing.

who cares what grades the draft gets. anyone that knows what the browns needed to do priority-wise know that they hit on every mark.

Sure, giving grades to drafts is fun for fans....but yes, meaningless. I remember that the Bengals were given this top notch grade because they picked Akili Smith. How did that work out?

mccown will be the starter and hopefully bridge the gap until manziel or whoever else comes in next year to become a competitor at that spot. WR.....they signed bowe and have a decent corp that didn't hurt us last year.

if 50% of the picks work out this year and the FO feels they have filled the holes and added depth who's to think they don't draft offensive weapons next year?

A lot depends on who we lose to FA and attrition.

The Gipper

OK....I have checked and using the CBS Sports NFLDraftScouts.com rankings....since this is the one most talked about... here is what each AFCN team got in terms of the top rated 100 on that board.

Bengals got:

#72 Cedric Ogbuehi (1st round)

#37 Jake Fisher

#50 Paul Dawson

3 of the Top 100

Steelers got:

#19 Alvin Dupree

#81 Senquez Golson

#100 Sammie Coates

3 of the Top 100

Ravens got:

#30 Breshard Perriman

#38 Maxx Williams

#48 Carl Davis

#96 ZaDarius Smith

#99 Javorius Allen

5 of the top 100

Browns got:

#14 Danny Shelton

#26 Cameron Erving

#58 Duke Johnson

#63 Xavier Cooper

#80 Nate Orchard

#87 Clarence Gaines

#91 Vincent Mayle

#95 Ifo Ekpre-Olomu

8 of the Top 100

http://www.cbssports...ands-to-top-100

The Gipper

With the above also must come a word of caution: the last time the Browns used this many draft picks in a single year, here is the result: 2000:

#1 Courtney Brown

#32 Dennis Northcutt

#63 Travis Prentice

#79 JaJuan Dawson

#95 Lewis Sanders

#110 Aaron Shea

#130 Anthony Malbrough

#146 Lamar Chapman

#183 Spergon Wynn

#206 Brad Bedell

#207 Manuia Savea

#209 Eric Chandler

#225 Rashidi Barnes

Honestly except for decent contributions by Northcutt and Shea....a draft for shit.

gumby73

@the-gipper said:

Here is where CBS Sports listed our draftees on their prospect rankings:

#10 Shelton

#24 Erving

#56 Johnson

#69 Orchard

# 79 Cooper

#109 Olamu

#127 Campbell

#150 Mayle

#162 Gaines

#288 Pullard

#366 Telfer

#488 Johnson

The biggest variance of opinion is on Pullard. Injuries may have been a factor in his lower ranking here.

Now I know why I fell off the couch with the 2 back 2 back picks of TE in the 6th. We have 3 TE's add 2 more in the draft and I stated you don't draft practice squad in 6th round.. I know Telfer dropped always hurt and Johnson a TE got him rated in that positions but great minds have him Converting to a FB. If you wanted a FB Draft one that plays FB, not high on Converting..

Unsympathetic

1) Erving starts somewhere this year - he's far, far too athletic not to. IMHO he's better at passpro than Greco and Schwartz.

2) The Titans wanted Mariota -- and they didn't care what anyone offered! Everyone is downgrading our draft, but that low grade starts with the hypothesis that the Titans had any interest in trading out of the Mariota pick.. which they didn't. They wanted Mariota - period! It didn't matter how many Joe Thomases were offered.. the Titans wanted Mariota, and so they took him.

The Gipper

@unsympathetic said:

1) Erving starts somewhere this year - he's far, far too athletic not to. IMHO he's better at passpro than Greco and Schwartz.

2) The Titans wanted Mariota -- and they didn't care what anyone offered! Everyone is downgrading our draft, but that low grade starts with the hypothesis that the Titans had any interest in trading out of the Mariota pick.. which they didn't. They wanted Mariota - period! It didn't matter how many Joe Thomases were offered.. the Titans wanted Mariota, and so they took him.

Anyone downgrading the draft didn't pay attention to who they did get...just who they didn't get.

ballpeen

@walterwhite said:

I loved the draft. We didn't seem to reach for anyone.

However, the only pick I DIDN'T like was Duke Johnson over Sammy Coates. I feel Coates is going to give us hell in Pittsburgh

I never dreamed Coates would make it that far into the 3rd

Are you crazy? Duke Johnson might be the best pick we had.....best value for sure unless the CB makes a full recovery.

Duke Johnson just became the best back on the team.