DA deserves a shot in training camp. At the very least...
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DA's trade value goes up 1-2 rounds by paying his bonus before we trade him. So by him not being gone now all it really says is that they want to maximize any value they get for him. Also, if they do decide to trade BQ I would not be shocked to see us draft a QB on day 1. But to say DA not being traded by now is any indication on Quinn's perceived value is just ignoring the reality of the situation.
The coaching staff looks at film of practice everyday that we as fans don't get to see, as bad as Derek Anderson was playing don't you feel if they felt Quinn was that much better they would have went to him sooner than they did?
I was all for when we drafted Quinn, but I'm sorry I have not seen anything impressive about Brady Quinn that if I were a coach I would want to turn my team over to him
I see the reincarnation of Charlie Frye when I looked at Brady, just dink and dunk down the field with the defenses having no respect for the deep to intermediate passes just my IMO, how many passes over 10 yards did Quinn throw in the Denver or Buffalo game?
The coaching staff looks at film of practice everyday that we as fans don't get to see, as bad as Derek Anderson was playing don't you feel if they felt Quinn was that much better they would have went to him sooner than they did?
I was all for when we drafted Quinn, but I'm sorry I have not seen anything impressive about Brady Quinn that if I were a coach I would want to turn my team over to him
I see the reincarnation of Charlie Frye when I looked at Brady, just dink and dunk down the field with the defenses having no respect for the deep to intermediate passes just my IMO, how many passes over 10 yards did Quinn throw in the Denver or Buffalo game?
Dude, I never mentioned when Quinn got action. And it really isn't relevant b/c this is a new coach and FO. And my argument had nothing to do with saying Quinn's better than DA, so I am not even going to take that bait. What I said is that DA's trade value goes up by a round or more after we pay the bonus. And IMO we were NEVER going to trade him until the bonus was paid. So if you have something to say about that statement please do, but if you're going to try to paint me as a DA hater or Quinn lady then just ignore my comment please 'cause I am so tired of playing that 3rd grade game across a gament of boards.
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Unless your name is Joe Thomas you are expendable.
The thought of high draft picks instead of the past regimes losers doesn't bother me a bit.
Any way you slice it, the only team since the return of the Browns to make the playoffs was Butches and they tore that up following year.
The idea of drafting a QB may very well be a smoke screen to perk interest in our own QB's.
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The coaching staff looks at film of practice everyday that we as fans don't get to see, as bad as Derek Anderson was playing don't you feel if they felt Quinn was that much better they would have went to him sooner than they did?
I was all for when we drafted Quinn, but I'm sorry I have not seen anything impressive about Brady Quinn that if I were a coach I would want to turn my team over to him
I see the reincarnation of Charlie Frye when I looked at Brady, just dink and dunk down the field with the defenses having no respect for the deep to intermediate passes just my IMO, how many passes over 10 yards did Quinn throw in the Denver or Buffalo game?
Dude, I never mentioned when Quinn got action. And it really isn't relevant b/c this is a new coach and FO. And my argument had nothing to do with saying Quinn's better than DA, so I am not even going to take that bait. What I said is that DA's trade value goes up by a round or more after we pay the bonus. And IMO we were NEVER going to trade him until the bonus was paid. So if you have something to say about that statement please do, but if you're going to try to paint me as a DA hater or Quinn lady then just ignore my comment please 'cause I am so tired of playing that 3rd grade game across a gament of boards.
Dude, I never mentioned when Quinn got action. And it really isn't relevant b/c this is a new coach and FO. And my argument had nothing to do with saying Quinn's better than DA, so I am not even going to take that bait. What I said is that DA's trade value goes up by a round or more after we pay the bonus. And IMO we were NEVER going to trade him until the bonus was paid. So if you have something to say about that statement please do, but if you're going to try to paint me as a DA hater or Quinn lady then just ignore my comment please 'cause I am so tired of playing that 3rd grade game across a gament of boards.
Not trying to bait you into anything
I will say I agree with you that if the Browns want to trade Anderson it will be easier after the bonus is paid, fact is Anderson gets his money this year or next year regarding that bonus so its not as important as some feel.
My biggest question and again I'm not trying to bait you into anything or turn this into a DA vs BQ thing but if DA is as bad as Browns fans say he is why would another team give up a 1st or 2nd round pick? and if a team does give up that much is that saying DA is better than what most Browns fans think of him.
DA has proven he can win in this league BQ has not proven anything
Do you think Mangini might just want his own type of QB and that DA and BQ is not what he wants and if we are into rebuilt mode might Mangini feel better rebuilding with his QB of choice and getting rid of who brings the most value Anderson or Quinn or both and bringing in a veteran to mentor a QB drafted in round 1 or 2. What if Josh Freeman is available in round 2 if Mangini like him do you consider him?
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Again...this is all heresay by someone who was listening to the radio in NY...More rumours are spread like viruses...until something comes to real fruition...both QB's are on the team......All I can say is if were stuck with DA as the starter...This franchise has lost all football credibility IMHO...And It would be a monumental 1st for a team to go through as much as they did to draft Quinn and trade him without giving Him a valid shot.
The bottom line is We all want this team to succeed...And that starts with good QB and and good RB...and being solid in the trenches both sides of the ball...Most fans here in C-town understand that...The problem is we never seem to hire the right coaching and draft the right players...And we never seem to hire "A coach" who understands the "Rivalry"
Sooner or later Season Ticket owners will eventually get fed up and not re-up...And that would be a sad statement for a franchise that has been known for "OFFENSE' and innovations in the game of football...Im beginning to see Rich's side of things...but maybe not all the way to His extreme bantering...This was a Franchise that set the Hallmark for the way the game of football is played today...
Im getting sick of these cockamamie assholes comming in and effing this team up.....Unfortunately...I really doont see things getting any better...I hope Im proven wrong...
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Dude, I never mentioned when Quinn got action. And it really isn't relevant b/c this is a new coach and FO. And my argument had nothing to do with saying Quinn's better than DA, so I am not even going to take that bait. What I said is that DA's trade value goes up by a round or more after we pay the bonus. And IMO we were NEVER going to trade him until the bonus was paid. So if you have something to say about that statement please do, but if you're going to try to paint me as a DA hater or Quinn lady then just ignore my comment please 'cause I am so tired of playing that 3rd grade game across a gament of boards.
Not trying to bait you into anything
I will say I agree with you that if the Browns want to trade Anderson it will be easier after the bonus is paid, fact is Anderson gets his money this year or next year regarding that bonus so its not as important as some feel.
My biggest question and again I'm not trying to bait you into anything or turn this into a DA vs BQ thing but if DA is as bad as Browns fans say he is why would another team give up a 1st or 2nd round pick? and if a team does give up that much is that saying DA is better than what most Browns fans think of him.
DA has proven he can win in this league BQ has not proven anything
Do you think Mangini might just want his own type of QB and that DA and BQ is not what he wants and if we are into rebuilt mode might Mangini feel better rebuilding with his QB of choice and getting rid of who brings the most value Anderson or Quinn or both and bringing in a veteran to mentor a QB drafted in round 1 or 2. What if Josh Freeman is available in round 2 if Mangini like him do you consider him?
Not trying to bait you into anything
I will say I agree with you that if the Browns want to trade Anderson it will be easier after the bonus is paid, fact is Anderson gets his money this year or next year regarding that bonus so its not as important as some feel.
My biggest question and again I'm not trying to bait you into anything or turn this into a DA vs BQ thing but if DA is as bad as Browns fans say he is why would another team give up a 1st or 2nd round pick? and if a team does give up that much is that saying DA is better than what most Browns fans think of him.
DA has proven he can win in this league BQ has not proven anything
Do you think Mangini might just want his own type of QB and that DA and BQ is not what he wants and if we are into rebuilt mode might Mangini feel better rebuilding with his QB of choice and getting rid of who brings the most value Anderson or Quinn or both and bringing in a veteran to mentor a QB drafted in round 1 or 2. What if Josh Freeman is available in round 2 if Mangini like him do you consider him?
It is entirely possible that Mangini truly isn't sold on either. And I have been on record all along that if they're not sold then they should trade the one with the most value. Ironically I think the fact that they have more tape on DA maybe why they go with BQ. And this is just personal opinion but while I haven't seen enough of BQ to really know what we have; I have seen enough of DA for me to think he will never be consistent enough to win on this team, in this weather and for this fan base. The fans gave it to him last year, bad, and he didn't handle it very well at all. But was he has going for him, is that our organization was ran like a joke last year and he has physical tools out the ass. Plus coaches in the NFL have ego's like no other. All it takes is for one coach to look at his physical tools, look it how the Browns has a whole were ran last year, and say I can make this guy a stud.
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Also I believe if Mangini was sold on Quinn Anderson would be gone by now, with him not being traded that says more of there lack of confidence in Quinn than what they think of Anderson, makes me think they feel they can win with Anderson and not sure about Quinn
You gotta remember that it takes a trade partner to get a deal done. I don't see a whole lotta teams lining up to take DA off our hands. Nobody is going to take him until that bonus is paid. While I have heard of teams inquiring about Quinn. If nobody wants DA, then we might be stuck with him and his stupid contract! I don't think it has anything to do with a lack of confidence in Quinn. What has he done to deserve a lack of confidence when comparing the two of them? DA is the one who hase stunk up Cleveland for the past season and a half. Quinn hasn't had his chance. DA blew his! And, the offense favors Quinn as well as does the management staff.
If I was a betting man I would say that DA will be the starting QB in 2009 and Brady Quinn will be traded on draft day or before
If I was a betting man I would say that DA will be the starting QB in 2009 and Brady Quinn will be traded on draft day or before
If you were a betting man you'd be broke then...........................
Dabol spent 3 days with Weis the week before last and meets continually with Quinn to work on the play book. They are together one or two days a week.
Anderson is in Ariz or Palm springs playing golf, he isn't even working out with the team.
Maybe there is a clue there that Mangini does have the QB he wants and is committed to. What do you expect him to say, Anderson don't fit here and we want to trade him. That sure would help his trade value. You got a lot of speculation and opinions and no facts. Quinn is at Berea almost every day and has been working with the new staff........DUH
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The front office is running a tight ship and all we can do is speculate.
We're either waiting to pay DA's bonus so we could get a 2nd or 3rd for him OR they're not sold on either QB.
DA isn't going to fit a ball control offense. He's eratic with a big gun, not someone you want to manage a game, more of the gunslinger you want if you're behind.
So you have to ask yourself, does either qb fit?
If one does you stick with him, if neither is you take what picks you can get and draft the guy that does fit.
IMHO, it's Quinn or we draft a guy and we're waiting for DA's bonus to increase his trade value to grab a mid to late 2nd rounder.
If it's not Quinn we pay DA's bonus, move him and move Quinn draft day.
I'm NOT saying DA can't be a good qb, but he just doesn't fit the system we're going towards. Plenty of other teams wanting an attacking air offense would probably be more willing to gamble on DA who has shown he CAN throw the ball deep to mid range when surrounded by talent and protected because then you KNOW what you're getting and what pieces you need to win with him.
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Another poster spouting about Quinn being a dink and dunker huh? Looks like Frye huh?
Unreal.
Frye was known to not have an arm. Quinn was referred to having more than enough arm for the NFL. Does Quinn have Anderson's arm? Nope. Does Quinn have Brees' arm? More.
Get off it. Fact is we flat out don't know what Quinn can or can't do in the NFL. With DA we've got a better idea. Pretty simple.
I also wouldn't use New York sports talk radio as a source for anything.
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mz. said:
Got any links there, Sony?No links just heard on talk radio in New york, guy was talking with ex GM of the Redskins Charlie C.
Just don't be shocked if its Brady Quinn thats traded and not Anderson
People can say what they want about what Quinn did against Denver, but against a bad defense all he did was dink and dunk all night
Also I believe if Mangini was sold on Quinn Anderson would be gone by now, with him not being traded that says more of there lack of confidence in Quinn than what they think of Anderson, makes me think they feel they can win with Anderson and not sure about Quinn
Also I believe if Mangini was sold on Quinn Anderson would be gone by now
I really don't know if you can make that determination. Who knows what's going on behind the scenes. But you gat bet that if DA is still here once OTA time rolls around, there will (and should be) a very good competition.
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I would like to point out that a "big armed gunslinger" got our current coach's ass fired at his last gig trying to run a ball control offense and poor old DA may have a strike against him BEFORE the tapes are even ran.
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I would like to point out that a "big armed gunslinger" got our current coach's ass fired at his last gig trying to run a ball control offense and poor old DA may have a strike against him BEFORE the tapes are even ran.
I would like to point out that a "big armed gunslinger" got our current coach's ass fired at his last gig trying to run a ball control offense and poor old DA may have a strike against him BEFORE the tapes are even ran.
He also saved the coach's job for a year.
Here's a couple of questions:
When a team sucks, has a simple coaching change ever helped, or did they have to get rid of the starters, ESPECIALLY the QB to get better? Has any mediocre QB ever bloomed under a new coach?
If the answer to both is no, then they definitely need to ditch DA. If not, then lets see what the new coaches have in mind before we assume major staffing changes at the player level.
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Another poster spouting about Quinn being a dink and dunker huh? Looks like Frye huh?
Unreal.
Frye was known to not have an arm. Quinn was referred to having more than enough arm for the NFL. Does Quinn have Anderson's arm? Nope. Does Quinn have Brees' arm? More.
Get off it. Fact is we flat out don't know what Quinn can or can't do in the NFL. With DA we've got a better idea. Pretty simple.
I also wouldn't use New York sports talk radio as a source for anything.
Fact is we flat out don't know what Quinn can or can't do in the NFL.
you don't have the practice tapes. But Mangini does.
You also urgently want to believe that a bruised finger is the sole cause for Quinn's poor play, thinking that all parties interested should throw those games out the window. That may not be reality.
Fact is, Mangini and Co have a pretty good idea of what "Charlie" Quinn brings to the table whether you like it or not.
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Fact is we flat out don't know what Quinn can or can't do in the NFL.
you don't have the practice tapes. But Mangini does.
You also urgently want to believe that a bruised finger is the sole cause for Quinn's poor play, thinking that all parties interested should throw those games out the window. That may not be reality.
Fact is, Mangini and Co have a pretty good idea of what "Charlie" Quinn brings to the table whether you like it or not.
you don't have the practice tapes. But Mangini does.
You also urgently want to believe that a bruised finger is the sole cause for Quinn's poor play, thinking that all parties interested should throw those games out the window. That may not be reality.
Fact is, Mangini and Co have a pretty good idea of what "Charlie" Quinn brings to the table whether you like it or not.
Source?
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you don't have the practice tapes. But Mangini does.
You also urgently want to believe that a bruised finger is the sole cause for Quinn's poor play, thinking that all parties interested should throw those games out the window. That may not be reality.
Fact is, Mangini and Co have a pretty good idea of what "Charlie" Quinn brings to the table whether you like it or not.
Source?
AdaM said:
Source?Ha! Good luck.
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