Starting Lineup... maybe
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As you can see... in my opinion, the only position the Browns really need to upgrade their starting player is at QB.
I see 6 other spots where improvement is warranted, but I don't see major weaknesses in this team's top 46. It's the depth that I still have concerns about, but I trust Farmer will do well in rounds 5-7 and utilizing UDFA to provide competition in the back end of the roster...
Jim Dray is a backup. And im not sure he is better than Barnridge who is a backup. We no starting TE just a coiple blockers who can catch an occasional pass.
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Zombo said:
Jim Dray is a backup. And im not sure he is better than Barnridge who is a backup. We no starting TE just a coiple blockers who can catch an occasional pass.
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I think we'll see more of Dray, especially in the redzone. We DO still need to upgrade the position all around
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PFF has Hawkins as "very good," which is the category just below "elite" (which we only Thomas rated). Although they admit it may have been generous, I'd say it's fair to make him green here.
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46 dress each week. Here are mine, as of right now...
Offense:
WR1 TE LT LG C RG RT WR2
Bowe Dray Thomas Bitonio Mack Greco Schwartz Hartline
Gabriel Barnidge Seymour Barton Slot WR Moore
Hawkins
RB QB
West McCown
Crowell Manziel
Draughn Lewis
Defense:
CB1 LDE NT RDE CB2
Haden Starks Taylor D.Bryant Slot CB T.Williams
Desir Hughes Kitchen Winn K.Williams
James Gilbert
LOLB LILB RILB ROLB
Mingo Dansby Robertson Kruger
Solomon Kirksey A.Bryant
FS SS
Gipson Whitner
Poyer Bademosi
Special teams:
K - Hartley
P - Lanning
LS - Yount
Green = Good to great
Blue = Adequate
Black = Below Average
Red = Needs improved
46 dress each week. Here are mine, as of right now...
I say great job on this....not gonna haggle on the ratings....BUT, if it's only the 46 to dress each week, then Id dump a few guys and add more LB/DL to the mix.......no need for a 3rd QB, Draugns, etc
Looks pretty good other than Greco in blue. Come on man! He's a top ten guard in the league!
...Id say the same....
I think we'll see more of Dray, especially in the redzone. We DO still need to upgrade the position all around
Agreed.....with the 2 we currently have, Id label Dray as the "receiver" and Barnidge as the 'blocker".....
PFF has Hawkins as "very good," which is the category just below "elite" (which we only Thomas rated). Although they admit it may have been generous, I'd say it's fair to make him green here.
Yep....Elite slot receiver...for sure.....
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As you can see... in my opinion, the only position the Browns really need to upgrade their starting player is at QB.
I see 6 other spots where improvement is warranted, but I don't see major weaknesses in this team's top 46. It's the depth that I still have concerns about, but I trust Farmer will do well in rounds 5-7 and utilizing UDFA to provide competition in the back end of the roster...
As you can see... in my opinion, the only position the Browns really need to upgrade their starting player is at QB.
I see 6 other spots where improvement is warranted, but I don't see major weaknesses in this team's top 46. It's the depth that I still have concerns about, but I trust Farmer will do well in rounds 5-7 and utilizing UDFA to provide competition in the back end of the roster...
Damn, You must have The NEW Oranger Glasses.. We all see QB yes. But come on. When our last winning season?? Far To much Black and Blue Talent gets us beat on Sundays. Farmer got B- on last year overall. Let's hang a A in 2015 and I will buy The New Oranger Glasses also..
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46 dress each week. Here are mine, as of right now...
Offense:
WR1 TE LT LG C RG RT WR2
Bowe Dray Thomas Bitonio Mack Greco Schwartz Hartline
Gabriel Barnidge Seymour Barton Slot WR Moore
Hawkins
RB QB
West McCown
Crowell Manziel
Draughn Lewis
Defense:
CB1 LDE NT RDE CB2
Haden Starks Taylor D.Bryant Slot CB T.Williams
Desir Hughes Kitchen Winn K.Williams
James Gilbert
LOLB LILB RILB ROLB
Mingo Dansby Robertson Kruger
Solomon Kirksey A.Bryant
FS SS
Gipson Whitner
Poyer Bademosi
Special teams:
K - Hartley
P - Lanning
LS - Yount
Green = Good to great
Blue = Adequate
Black = Below Average
Red = Needs improved
Ok.....still super early, but we have some new names and thought Id take a swing at this now and see how things shake out.....
46 dress each week. Here are mine, as of right now...
Offense:
WR1 TE LT LG C RG RT WR2
Bowe Housler Thomas Bitonio Mack Erving Schwartz Hartline
Gabriel Barnidge Greco Bowie Slot WR Benjiman
Dray Hawkins
RB QB
Crowell McCown
Johnson Manziel
West
Defense:
CB1 LDE NT RDE CB2
Haden Cooper Shelton Hughes Slot CB Gilbert
Desir A. Bryant Taylor Starks K.Williams Williams
D. Bryant
LOLB LILB RILB ROLB
Mingo Dansby Kirksey Kruger
Solomon Robertson Orchard
FS SS
Gipson Whitner
Poyer Campbell
Special teams:
K - Coons
P - Lanning
LS - Hughlett
other potential reserves to make it 53: Lewis QB, Johnson FB, Winn DL, Gaines CB, Kitchen DL, Pullard LB, Mayle WR
If this were the final roster, you'll probably see Telfer and Ifu on the injured list....and some names from last year and a few"up and comers" would be gone, like Draughn, Winston, Bademosi, Nelson, Painter, Seymour, Moore & Carder
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Ok.....still super early, but we have some new names and thought Id take a swing at this now and see how things shake out.....
46 dress each week. Here are mine, as of right now...
Offense:
WR1 TE LT LG C RG RT WR2
Bowe Housler Thomas Bitonio Mack Erving Schwartz Hartline
Gabriel Barnidge Greco Bowie Slot WR Benjiman
Dray Hawkins
RB QB
Crowell McCown
Johnson Manziel
West
Defense:
CB1 LDE NT RDE CB2
Haden Cooper Shelton Hughes Slot CB Gilbert
Desir A. Bryant Taylor Starks K.Williams Williams
D. Bryant
LOLB LILB RILB ROLB
Mingo Dansby Kirksey Kruger
Solomon Robertson Orchard
FS SS
Gipson Whitner
Poyer Campbell
Special teams:
K - Coons
P - Lanning
LS - Hughlett
other potential reserves to make it 53: Lewis QB, Johnson FB, Winn DL, Gaines CB, Kitchen DL, Pullard LB, Mayle WR
If this were the final roster, you'll probably see Telfer and Ifu on the injured list....and some names from last year and a few"up and comers" would be gone, like Draughn, Winston, Bademosi, Nelson, Painter, Seymour, Moore & Carder
Ok.....still super early, but we have some new names and thought Id take a swing at this now and see how things shake out.....
I think you may need at least one more OL.
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Ok.....still super early, but we have some new names and thought Id take a swing at this now and see how things shake out.....
46 dress each week. Here are mine, as of right now...
Offense:
WR1 TE LT LG C RG RT WR2
Bowe Housler Thomas Bitonio Mack Erving Schwartz Hartline
Gabriel Barnidge Greco Bowie Slot WR Benjiman
Dray Hawkins
RB QB
Crowell McCown
Johnson Manziel
West
Defense:
CB1 LDE NT RDE CB2
Haden Cooper Shelton Hughes Slot CB Gilbert
Desir A. Bryant Taylor Starks K.Williams Williams
D. Bryant
LOLB LILB RILB ROLB
Mingo Dansby Kirksey Kruger
Solomon Robertson Orchard
FS SS
Gipson Whitner
Poyer Campbell
Special teams:
K - Coons
P - Lanning
LS - Hughlett
other potential reserves to make it 53: Lewis QB, Johnson FB, Winn DL, Gaines CB, Kitchen DL, Pullard LB, Mayle WR
If this were the final roster, you'll probably see Telfer and Ifu on the injured list....and some names from last year and a few"up and comers" would be gone, like Draughn, Winston, Bademosi, Nelson, Painter, Seymour, Moore & Carder
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I really like Bryant and think he will start at DE as well. If the D stays healthy they can look like did against the Colts every gameZombo said:
I think Desmond Bryant still starts at DE ... whatever the final DL arrangement, it looks like a bad-ass defense.
Zombo
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Correct me if l'm wrong on this, but wasn't Dray considered a mostly blocking TE, who happened to catch a high percentage of passes, albeit few, thrown his way when we signed him?
I think that guy is poised to be a breakout pass catcher this year. Poised dammit!
And l like Greco too. Even more than Grieco. 21 Jump Street yo.
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I think you may need at least one more OL.
Maybe for PS, but feel these guys would cover all the bases game to game(46 man roster).....plus, Im using exactly the same # we carried last year.....so they would almost have to feel we are weaker at OL than last year to add an extra one.....(right?)
Zombo said:
I think Desmond Bryant still starts at DE ... whatever the final DL arrangement, it looks like a bad-ass defense.
Zombo
Sure looks bad ass on paper(which is what we said last year too).....Farmer says he wants "waves" of DL coming and going....though Im not a huge D. Bryant fan, but only time will tell there.....he is definitely our healthiest DL player tho
I think that guy is poised to be a breakout pass catcher this year. Poised dammit!
And l like Greco too. Even more than Grieco. 21 Jump Street yo.
Poise is a great asset.........I like Greco too.....
Zombo said:
I imagine we will bring in a real kicker.
Is Hughlett expected to beat out Christina Yount? I remember Yount slumped last year, but rebounded.
Zombo
Dont know here.....Im just guessing based upon who we have.....
I do know Yount struggled and Hughlett came in with some high praise....so, just "hoping" we upgrade there, just like any other position.....
Same with the kicker......we might already have a "real" kicker in camp, but we just dont know it yet....or maybe not.....
Where do kickers come from anyway?????
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One thing is for sure, looking at our depth, it's easily the deepest the team has been since the early 90s. Nothing has come close since to the depth we have this year
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I think you may need at least one more OL.
Maybe for PS, but feel these guys would cover all the bases game to game(46 man roster).....plus, Im using exactly the same # we carried last year.....so they would almost have to feel we are weaker at OL than last year to add an extra one.....(right?)
Zombo said:
I think Desmond Bryant still starts at DE ... whatever the final DL arrangement, it looks like a bad-ass defense.
Zombo
Sure looks bad ass on paper(which is what we said last year too).....Farmer says he wants "waves" of DL coming and going....though Im not a huge D. Bryant fan, but only time will tell there.....he is definitely our healthiest DL player tho
I think that guy is poised to be a breakout pass catcher this year. Poised dammit!
And l like Greco too. Even more than Grieco. 21 Jump Street yo.
Poise is a great asset.........I like Greco too.....
Zombo said:
I imagine we will bring in a real kicker.
Is Hughlett expected to beat out Christina Yount? I remember Yount slumped last year, but rebounded.
Zombo
Dont know here.....Im just guessing based upon who we have.....
I do know Yount struggled and Hughlett came in with some high praise....so, just "hoping" we upgrade there, just like any other position.....
Same with the kicker......we might already have a "real" kicker in camp, but we just dont know it yet....or maybe not.....
Where do kickers come from anyway?????
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offense
this is easy:
QB - McCown
RB1 - johnson
RB2 - crowell
WR1 - bowe
WR2 - gabriel
WR 3 - hartline
TE1 - dray
TE2 - barnidge
LT - thomas
LG - bitonio
C - mack
RG - greco
RT - erving
look for mayne and the 2 other TEs to be worked in when available and ready.
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offense
this is easy:
QB - McCown
RB1 - johnson
RB2 - crowell
WR1 - bowe
WR2 - gabriel
WR 3 - hartline
TE1 - dray
TE2 - barnidge
LT - thomas
LG - bitonio
C - mack
RG - greco
RT - erving
look for mayne and the 2 other TEs to be worked in when available and ready.
offense
this is easy:
QB - McCown
RB1 - johnson
RB2 - crowell
WR1 - bowe
WR2 - gabriel
WR 3 - hartline
TE1 - dray
TE2 - barnidge
LT - thomas
LG - bitonio
C - mack
RG - greco
RT - erving
look for mayne and the 2 other TEs to be worked in when available and ready.
You are only allowed 11 men on the field at a time...you have 13 out there.
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Special teams:
K - Coons
P - Lanning
LS - Hughlett
I imagine we will bring in a real kicker.
Is Hughlett expected to beat out Christina Yount? I remember Yount slumped last year, but rebounded.
Zombo
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offense
this is easy:
QB - McCown
RB1 - johnson
RB2 - crowell
WR1 - bowe
WR2 - gabriel
WR 3 - hartline
TE1 - dray
TE2 - barnidge
LT - thomas
LG - bitonio
C - mack
RG - greco
RT - erving
look for mayne and the 2 other TEs to be worked in when available and ready.
You are only allowed 11 men on the field at a time...you have 13 out there.
You are only allowed 11 men on the field at a time...you have 13 out there.
duh, really? i know i didn't show all the depth but i showed the important stuff like RB and WRs.......that's all. so in any given play one or two or three of the offensive weapon positions will be on the field or not.
stop being a larryfine
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