Stinkin cheapshot steelers never change
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"Indeed, the biggest irony of the Longhorn Network is this: In deciding to create its own channel, Texas made much more money for two Big 12 schools that left for the SEC -- Texas A&M and Missouri -- than it's going to make for itself. That's because both Texas A&M and Missouri stand to make much more money off the SEC Network than Texas will ever make off the Longhorn Network. Nebraska, in the Big Ten, will also be making more television money than Texas."
The SEC Network is set to make 22x as much as the Longhorn Network this year (for 14 teams).
This here is the best article summarizing the effects of the seismic shift:
"Indeed, the biggest irony of the Longhorn Network is this: In deciding to create its own channel, Texas made much more money for two Big 12 schools that left for the SEC -- Texas A&M and Missouri -- than it's going to make for itself. That's because both Texas A&M and Missouri stand to make much more money off the SEC Network than Texas will ever make off the Longhorn Network. Nebraska, in the Big Ten, will also be making more television money than Texas."
The SEC Network is set to make 22x as much as the Longhorn Network this year (for 14 teams).
This here is the best article summarizing the effects of the seismic shift:
OK, I will look at this stuff and see what it says.
Edit: after reading that last article....I find it to be speculative. The writer thinks and apparently hopes that all that stuff he says will come true. He makes plausible arguments for it......But nothing he says is an absolute fact (except that Baylor and TCU have actually been the best teams in the state for the last few years.)
I think we all have to wait and see if all that happens long term.
Certainly JFF gave the school a big boost. (But that "good feeling" could certainly be diminished if he fails to make it in the pros.....then he would become just another David Klingler or Andre Ware....which does no good for the school). And the move to the SEC gave A&M publicity...and maybe money (though I am not sure that the money edge will be retained). I do think Sumlin is a good coach....and that he probably gave A&M a temporary recruiting edge over the tired out Mack Brown. But I am not positive that will last for any long term. Charlie Strong seems to be a pretty brilliant guy.
So...I for one will take a wait and see approach.
But I will note this.....NEITHER school finished in the AP Top 25 last year, where TCU finished #3 and Baylor #7. So they both have some ground to make up on their in state competition.
And...oh yea, to keep it relevent to the thread title: Pittsburgh sucks. (can we agree on that?)
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And...oh yea, to keep it relevent to the thread title: Pittsburgh sucks. (can we agree on that?)
Gipper***********************************
(just kidding)
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I said they started 12-0 in 92. I'd call that much closer to a national championship than the 2012 team which had 2 losses by the 7th or 8th game. I'm not sure why the 94 team only finished 8th.
Sorry, my education doesn't tell me that conveniently picking random dates from which to compile data is all that legitimate. And besides, you were the one that chose to bring up that 90s era and say we were barely above Houston and Rice, despite our winning 3 straight conference championships, winning some 3 or 4x as many SWC championships as both of them combined, and generally dominating them in every way (19-12, 52-27 against them respectively). Furthermore, there were other years (even since 1960) such as 1975 when we were squarely in the national championship hunt.
It's not just the money. It's the recruiting that comes from being in the SEC. Our recruiting has taken off astronomically since we made the move. THAT is the number one benefit. So no, I would not have liked to see them stay in the Big 12. We play about twice as many big time games per year now, we're in prime time with far more frequency and we're never not untelevised, which we were in the Big 12 all the time. Why would I want to stay in the Big 12? It's a terrible conference.
The analogy is good because you are IMMEDIATELY calling client X and saying "hey let's reschedule ASAP." Again, if client X doesn't understand that meeting with Jim Brown (or client Y) is more important and refuse to accommodate then that's their problem.
See there you go again. You claim you're not using the fallacious logic that what has happened in the past will continue to happen, yet your number 1 reason for why Arkansas will be better than us going forward is that they were better in the past.
The problem for Arkansas is that their state does not produce much talent. Per Rivals.com, the state had five 4/5 stars in the class of 2015 (indeed one went to Ohio State). In 2014, the state only had 2 (1 of which went to Alabama). In 2013, the state had 2, and Alabama again stole 1. So who is Arkansas supposed to get?
LSU practically has a chastity belt on Louisiana talent (which there is a ton of, it produces the most NFL players per capita), signing the vast majority of it. Since I've been following A&M recruiting (class of 08), we've signed a whopping ONE player from Louisiana that LSU really wanted, Speedy Noil. We've gotten some kids outta there, but they were scraps that LSU didn't want.
Any Mississippi and Alabama talent that comes up (not much but not the dearth that exists in Arkansas) is immediately bombarded by pretty much the entire SEC, not to mention the 2 state schools that have the geographical advantage in each of those two states. Is Arkansas supposed to go in there and beat out Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Georgia, Florida, Florida State, and Tennessee for the little talent in those states? Not likely.
Georgia produces some talent but again, everyone goes for it and there are two major programs in state.
In Florida, there are THREE major programs although there is an absolute boatload of talent. One of Arkansas' elite RBs is from Florida so power to them.
Oklahoma produces jack for talent, and there are two state schools anyway.
In Texas, A&M and UT for the most part get their pick of the litter (and Sumlin has ransacked both Strong and Mack Brown for recruits both have vied for). Teams like Alabama and LSU usually get 3-5 Texas kids combined. Oklahoma and Baylor are next to feed, then the TCUs, Techs, OSUs, and Arkansass of the world get the scraps.
Again, that's not necessarily how it's been IN THE PAST. And certainly Baylor, TCU, and to a smaller degree Arkansas have been able to win more with less. Great for them. But there hasn't been a single national champion in recent memory that didn't do it with a TON of talent top to bottom. I will grant you that the SEC advantage will continue to make Arkansas more appealing as the brand becomes even stronger.
Texas does have a lot of money. There is no evidence they have more than A&M going forward. You can again cite history as evidence if you want. But we just spent half a BILLION (with a
dollars renovating Kyle Field only two years after completely overhauling our baseball stadium. We both pay our coaches top 5 salaries. We just made John Chavis the highest paid DC in CFB. We dropped some obscene amount of money for the Birmigham law firm that got Johnny out of his NCAA troubles. We footed the bill for Cedric Ogbuehi's insurance policy to come back as a senior. Yeah, we have plenty of dough to go around. Their boosters are very good at "playing the game," (Vince Young had an Escalade during his time on campus....) and we saw that when Charlie Strong made a late push for Kyler Murray last year and was able to land 5 solid Florida players late in the year. So their ability to do that will always help them. And I take nothing away from them for that. But they do NOT have more money going forward than we do generally.
You cited Texas having the "best facilities." They don't. Our stadium is bigger and better than theirs (and we actually fill it up), we just redid our football facilities and many call them the best in the country and Texas' facilities are known right now for being sorely outdated. I'm obviously smart enough to realize they'll upgrade soon, but we won't be outdone.
Thanks for trusting me and somewhat civilizing the conversation. If you're not here to just throw bombs at a&m, then I'm happy to entertain any discussion on the CFB landscape. I love talking ball. Been on A&M messageboards since I was 16 years old. I only hope my NFL knowledge will get up to par soon (this boards helped with that).
That said, I've provided a lot of reasons why the SEC move was "seismic" in this post. To recap:
-Recruiting to the SEC. This is first and foremost. Even when the SEC wasn't the best conference, it still recruited itself in the region just because of the tradition and the respect its members have for each other. Many households in the south watch the SEC almost exclusively and their kids grow up to reflect that. I remember watching the MTV show Two-A-Days (about Hoover High School's dominant football program) and the kids would constantly talk about wanting to attend SEC schools (we're talking about regular students, not even necessarily football players), and I remember one specific case where the cups in the locker room all had the SEC logo on them. I screenshotted it a long time ago. Maybe I can find it. I just provide that one anecdote to make the case that these kids are inundated with SEC love early on.
-SEC viewership means SEC schools make the most conference TV money (yeah, money is #2, although the rest of these will be in no particular order)
-The big names on the home conference schedule allow the AD to charge more for season tickets
-Obviously that means much higher attendance as well
-Those big home conference games have a tremendous impact on the local economy. College Station as a city has changed night to day since the move.
-The NCAA doesn't have enough of a spine to crack down on SEC teams when they cheat. Not a huge factor and I realize that could change (hell I said in the other thread that I hope it does), but I doubt it. And even if it did, the coaches and boosters would just be more creative.
-The grueling SEC schedule means you win most bowl games (were 3-0 since joining, pasting the Big 12 co-champion in 2012 despite us only finishing 5th in our conference)
-All the money has allowed us to make the best stadium in the country (for now) and it's also the 3rd largest if I'm not mistaken
-Same with facilities
-100% of our games are on TV, trust me this was quite frustratingly NOT the case in the Big 12
-Many more games on ESPN/on prime time
-Treatment as an equal conference member instead of the tiered system that exists in the Big 12
If I think of any more I will post them. Those are just off the top of my head. There's lots of good literature on this out there.
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"Indeed, the biggest irony of the Longhorn Network is this: In deciding to create its own channel, Texas made much more money for two Big 12 schools that left for the SEC -- Texas A&M and Missouri -- than it's going to make for itself. That's because both Texas A&M and Missouri stand to make much more money off the SEC Network than Texas will ever make off the Longhorn Network. Nebraska, in the Big Ten, will also be making more television money than Texas."
The SEC Network is set to make 22x as much as the Longhorn Network this year (for 14 teams).
This here is the best article summarizing the effects of the seismic shift:
OK, I will look at this stuff and see what it says.
Edit: after reading that last article....I find it to be speculative. The writer thinks and apparently hopes that all that stuff he says will come true. He makes plausible arguments for it......But nothing he says is an absolute fact (except that Baylor and TCU have actually been the best teams in the state for the last few years.)
I think we all have to wait and see if all that happens long term.
Certainly JFF gave the school a big boost. (But that "good feeling" could certainly be diminished if he fails to make it in the pros.....then he would become just another David Klingler or Andre Ware....which does no good for the school). And the move to the SEC gave A&M publicity...and maybe money (though I am not sure that the money edge will be retained). I do think Sumlin is a good coach....and that he probably gave A&M a temporary recruiting edge over the tired out Mack Brown. But I am not positive that will last for any long term. Charlie Strong seems to be a pretty brilliant guy.
So...I for one will take a wait and see approach.
But I will note this.....NEITHER school finished in the AP Top 25 last year, where TCU finished #3 and Baylor #7. So they both have some ground to make up on their in state competition.
And...oh yea, to keep it relevent to the thread title: Pittsburgh sucks. (can we agree on that?)
OK, I will look at this stuff and see what it says.
Edit: after reading that last article....I find it to be speculative. The writer thinks and apparently hopes that all that stuff he says will come true. He makes plausible arguments for it......But nothing he says is an absolute fact (except that Baylor and TCU have actually been the best teams in the state for the last few years.)
I think we all have to wait and see if all that happens long term.
Certainly JFF gave the school a big boost. (But that "good feeling" could certainly be diminished if he fails to make it in the pros.....then he would become just another David Klingler or Andre Ware....which does no good for the school). And the move to the SEC gave A&M publicity...and maybe money (though I am not sure that the money edge will be retained). I do think Sumlin is a good coach....and that he probably gave A&M a temporary recruiting edge over the tired out Mack Brown. But I am not positive that will last for any long term. Charlie Strong seems to be a pretty brilliant guy.
So...I for one will take a wait and see approach.
But I will note this.....NEITHER school finished in the AP Top 25 last year, where TCU finished #3 and Baylor #7. So they both have some ground to make up on their in state competition.
And...oh yea, to keep it relevent to the thread title: Pittsburgh sucks. (can we agree on that?)
As for claims in the last article that you call speculative:
1. The recruiting rankings are not. You can say they don't matter (Baylor and TCU do very well without them), but as I said before, every NC team in recent memory recruited at an elite clip and were chock full of 4 and 5 stars.
2. The effects of the arrogance Texas showed when making the Longhorn Network were indeed legion. It caused 4 of the biggest viewership draws to leave the conference, reducing the value of the Big 12 and making the LHN that much less valuable. It was a mini-cycle of ineptitude and negative results.
You're right the rest of the article is a bunch of fluff. But the other articles I linked go at least a little more in depth on some of the exact figures. Although regardless, the two above effects are alone enough to make the shift seismic.
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And of course Pittsburgh sucks.
And we don't want them sicka-sucky any time soon.
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Ohio State gets a hi-profile guy from Texas almost every year.. JT Barrett, Demetrious Knox, and Dontre Wilson are the current Texans on tOSU's roster.
Similarly, every now and then a hi-profile Ohio guy goes south.. Trey DePriest was the starting Bama MLB last year but grew up in Springfield.
The one thing I care about regarding SEC football: There is no such thing as SEC speed. Never was, never will be.. I'm looking at you, ESPN. It only ever existed when one team has a better OL, so the WR runs by the DB who gets caught looking in to stop the run.. or the team with the better DT's appears to have faster LB's because they trust the DT's to pinch in and shut down the inside run.
Man-vs-man, the SEC isn't faster.. rather, as it always has been, the team with the best line will win.
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Meanwhile, some things suealer never change. Seems that not only did they draft a cheapshot
artist db, but their LT is ...
all of a sudden.... bigger and stronger. Go figure. Reckon they are hard up to get back to
the superbowl? I wonder what the Vegas odds are of them injuring another qb or two to get there.
Meanwhile, some things suealer never change. Seems that not only did they draft a cheapshot
artist db, but their LT is ...
all of a sudden.... bigger and stronger. Go figure. Reckon they are hard up to get back to
the superbowl? I wonder what the Vegas odds are of them injuring another qb or two to get there.
You sound like a whinney little bitch. Why don't you grow up little boy. SMHSB
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Didn't say they didn't recruit Texas. I always liked that they recruited the South. In fact one of my best friends (the one with the torn labrum I mentioned in another thread) signed with Ohio State out of high school.
The SEC gets very creative with DTs and LBs. you will get wrecked without them. Recall Florida went and took Domonique Easley out of New York City.
This was never an SEC debate my man. Don't feel like going down that trail.
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why does every thread on this board now turn into some kind of SEC Texas bullshit....everytime.....Ive heard more about Texas on this board than I have my entire life and I go there 4 times a year....wtf
This is a "Browns" board, right?.......
People's panties get in a wad due to my avatar. I haven't started any of these discussions. It's actually pretty hilarious.
People's panties get in a wad due to my avatar. I haven't started any of these discussions. It's actually pretty hilarious.
No, it's not.
Zombo
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