Jonathan Paul Manziel
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At least there are a lot of good QBs worth watching this year in college football. Here are some of the guys who might just end up being NFL-type QBs that come out in 2016:
Connor Cook, Michigan State - needs a good season to prove he is worth an early 1st
Christian Hackenberg, Penn State - if he has a good year, he could very well go #1 overall
Cardale Jones, Ohio State - needs to show he can produce for an entire season, and be consistent
Jonathan Goff, Cal - great size, and a good pocket-passer. Looks like he could be a potential starter
Dak Prescott, Mississippi State - needs to become a better passer, but I'm not sure we'll see that
Cody Kessler, USC - needs to show good arm strength and accuracy to overcome his small size
Patrick Towles, Kentucky - may not come out until 2017
Gunner Kiel, Cincinnati - what a great name for a QB. He's got a shot at a great season
Kevin Hogan, Stanford - very disappointing in 2014. Hopefully, this year he flashes some of the potential everybody seems to think he has
Jacoby Brissett, NC State - he may not come out until 2017, unless he lights it up. Good size and arm strength
Travis Wilson, Utah - needs to become more consistent.
Looks like we could potentially have 4 1st round QBs coming out next year... but, there's a long way to go. It will be fun to watch Big 10 games knowing 3 top QBs will be competing for draft position.
My prediction as to who becomes the best prospect - Christian Hackenberg
My prediction as a sleeper, who could be taken in the 1st - Kevin Hogan
The guy I just like, and I'm hoping he improves - Travis Wilson
I think we'll be QB shopping next year in the draft, so we might as well start looking at the names that might pop up...
#Justsayin' -
At least there are a lot of good QBs worth watching this year in college football. Here are some of the guys who might just end up being NFL-type QBs that come out in 2016:
Connor Cook, Michigan State - needs a good season to prove he is worth an early 1st
Christian Hackenberg, Penn State - if he has a good year, he could very well go #1 overall
Cardale Jones, Ohio State - needs to show he can produce for an entire season, and be consistent
Jonathan Goff, Cal - great size, and a good pocket-passer. Looks like he could be a potential starter
Dak Prescott, Mississippi State - needs to become a better passer, but I'm not sure we'll see that
Cody Kessler, USC - needs to show good arm strength and accuracy to overcome his small size
Patrick Towles, Kentucky - may not come out until 2017
Gunner Kiel, Cincinnati - what a great name for a QB. He's got a shot at a great season
Kevin Hogan, Stanford - very disappointing in 2014. Hopefully, this year he flashes some of the potential everybody seems to think he has
Jacoby Brissett, NC State - he may not come out until 2017, unless he lights it up. Good size and arm strength
Travis Wilson, Utah - needs to become more consistent.
Looks like we could potentially have 4 1st round QBs coming out next year... but, there's a long way to go. It will be fun to watch Big 10 games knowing 3 top QBs will be competing for draft position.
My prediction as to who becomes the best prospect - Christian Hackenberg
My prediction as a sleeper, who could be taken in the 1st - Kevin Hogan
The guy I just like, and I'm hoping he improves - Travis Wilson
I think we'll be QB shopping next year in the draft, so we might as well start looking at the names that might pop up...
At least there are a lot of good QBs worth watching this year in college football. Here are some of the guys who might just end up being NFL-type QBs that come out in 2016:
Connor Cook, Michigan State - needs a good season to prove he is worth an early 1st
Christian Hackenberg, Penn State - if he has a good year, he could very well go #1 overall
Cardale Jones, Ohio State - needs to show he can produce for an entire season, and be consistent
Jonathan Goff, Cal - great size, and a good pocket-passer. Looks like he could be a potential starter
Dak Prescott, Mississippi State - needs to become a better passer, but I'm not sure we'll see that
Cody Kessler, USC - needs to show good arm strength and accuracy to overcome his small size
Patrick Towles, Kentucky - may not come out until 2017
Gunner Kiel, Cincinnati - what a great name for a QB. He's got a shot at a great season
Kevin Hogan, Stanford - very disappointing in 2014. Hopefully, this year he flashes some of the potential everybody seems to think he has
Jacoby Brissett, NC State - he may not come out until 2017, unless he lights it up. Good size and arm strength
Travis Wilson, Utah - needs to become more consistent.
Looks like we could potentially have 4 1st round QBs coming out next year... but, there's a long way to go. It will be fun to watch Big 10 games knowing 3 top QBs will be competing for draft position.
My prediction as to who becomes the best prospect - Christian Hackenberg
My prediction as a sleeper, who could be taken in the 1st - Kevin Hogan
The guy I just like, and I'm hoping he improves - Travis Wilson
I think we'll be QB shopping next year in the draft, so we might as well start looking at the names that might pop up...
As of today 3 Big 10 QB's would be 1st round picks-if Cook progresses more this year he's got franchise QB written all over him.
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the prism of disliking johnny was built upon the backs of all the 'johnny football' fans, of how he was the best and will be the best and dismissing any talk otherwise.
i didn't like the pick, but wtf do i know? he could have come here last year with his marching army and taken the league by storm and i would've sat back and said "wow, i was wrong. this kid is awesome!" instead i (me, not anyone else) was given a year of non-caring, slacking-off johnny. no matter how you slice it, that's what happened.
do i give him props for trying to get his life together? hell yes. do i think it means anything to his pro game? no. it's not that i don't root for the kid, it's i don't see anything in what he's done thus far that shows me he can play at the nfl level. that's it. plain and simple. just like i thought TR was no where near a nfl RB. just like i thought weeden was no where near a nfl Qb. not like i wished them ill will. none of them.
BUT
THEY didn't come to the browns with their fanbase proclaiming them the next coming of j. christ either.
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The Only Team in the State of Ohio That has no QB issues "THE Ohio State Buckeyes".. Just Wait
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Looks like Pettine disagrees......so Ill take Pettines word.....actually says this type of report is "irresponsible"
Here's the Espn piece on his Johnny comments from today
Looks like Pettine disagrees......so Ill take Pettines word.....actually says this type of report is "irresponsible"
Here's the Espn piece on his Johnny comments from today
I agree. It is way too early to write off Manziel. I posted a "Browns moving on" article in another thread because I believe this club can win with McCown not that I believe we have moved past Manziel. The article listed a number of reasons why McCown was brought here and how we can win if he is the qb. That is not the best. The best would be for Manziel to win the starting qb position and do well. But if that does not happen I see the wisdom of Pettine and Farmer of keeping a number of options open. One of them is McCown but some people can't get past his 1-10 record at Tampa.
My question would be is if McCown would start and we are not going to be asking a lot out of him why wouldn't that apply to Manziel as well? Manziel could hand the ball off just as well, make the safe passes and even have the ability to scramble if the pocket collapses and make plays with his feet which is something McCown does not have near the agility to do. McCown has the experience but Manziel has more raw talent. It is going to be an interesting year but however it goes this team has the talent to win.
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Hey anything can happen. I'm sure you have a list of professional teams that have cut their first round quarterback pick after 8 quarters of play.
I personally can't remember it ever happening but I realize you are a true football scholar.
WSS
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the prism of disliking johnny was built upon the backs of all the 'johnny football' fans, of how he was the best and will be the best and dismissing any talk otherwise.
i didn't like the pick, but wtf do i know? he could have come here last year with his marching army and taken the league by storm and i would've sat back and said "wow, i was wrong. this kid is awesome!" instead i (me, not anyone else) was given a year of non-caring, slacking-off johnny. no matter how you slice it, that's what happened.
do i give him props for trying to get his life together? hell yes. do i think it means anything to his pro game? no. it's not that i don't root for the kid, it's i don't see anything in what he's done thus far that shows me he can play at the nfl level. that's it. plain and simple. just like i thought TR was no where near a nfl RB. just like i thought weeden was no where near a nfl Qb. not like i wished them ill will. none of them.
BUT
THEY didn't come to the browns with their fanbase proclaiming them the next coming of j. christ either.
the prism of disliking johnny was built upon the backs of all the 'johnny football' fans, of how he was the best and will be the best and dismissing any talk otherwise.
i didn't like the pick, but wtf do i know? he could have come here last year with his marching army and taken the league by storm and i would've sat back and said "wow, i was wrong. this kid is awesome!" instead i (me, not anyone else) was given a year of non-caring, slacking-off johnny. no matter how you slice it, that's what happened.
do i give him props for trying to get his life together? hell yes. do i think it means anything to his pro game? no. it's not that i don't root for the kid, it's i don't see anything in what he's done thus far that shows me he can play at the nfl level. that's it. plain and simple. just like i thought TR was no where near a nfl RB. just like i thought weeden was no where near a nfl Qb. not like i wished them ill will. none of them.
BUT
THEY didn't come to the browns with their fanbase proclaiming them the next coming of j. christ either.
Just POG.
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Any Aggie that said Johnny was just going to coast to NFL success was delusional. Very few people are knowledgeable about both the college game and the pro game and when people try to comment on the other they generally sound really dumb. So I apologize to you on behalf of any Aggies that tried to shove Johnny down your throat like that.
I was always bearish on him as an NFL QB. I was excited when the Browns drafted him just because I knew the opportunity for success was here. But as a guy who wants the best for the Browns, I was mum on the idea of picking him, but thought we got solid value at 22.
But once he was in the fold it was what it was. I'm certainly not going to crap on the kid at every opportunity, just as I wouldn't with anyone else, especially another Brown.
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Is it too much to ask your franchise QB to hold his own against an 18 year old kid?? Seriously..
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You want him to hold his own or try to ignore the kid? Because people have claimed both in this very thread. So people will always be unhappy one way or the other. That's why I'm with Mik on this, he shouldn't be going to big events.
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Looks like Pettine disagrees......so Ill take Pettines word.....actually says this type of report is "irresponsible"
Here's the Espn piece on his Johnny comments from today
I agree. It is way too early to write off Manziel. I posted a "Browns moving on" article in another thread because I believe this club can win with McCown not that I believe we have moved past Manziel. The article listed a number of reasons why McCown was brought here and how we can win if he is the qb. That is not the best. The best would be for Manziel to win the starting qb position and do well. But if that does not happen I see the wisdom of Pettine and Farmer of keeping a number of options open. One of them is McCown but some people can't get past his 1-10 record at Tampa.
My question would be is if McCown would start and we are not going to be asking a lot out of him why wouldn't that apply to Manziel as well? Manziel could hand the ball off just as well, make the safe passes and even have the ability to scramble if the pocket collapses and make plays with his feet which is something McCown does not have near the agility to do. McCown has the experience but Manziel has more raw talent. It is going to be an interesting year but however it goes this team has the talent to win.
I agree. It is way too early to write off Manziel. I posted a "Browns moving on" article in another thread because I believe this club can win with McCown not that I believe we have moved past Manziel. The article listed a number of reasons why McCown was brought here and how we can win if he is the qb. That is not the best. The best would be for Manziel to win the starting qb position and do well. But if that does not happen I see the wisdom of Pettine and Farmer of keeping a number of options open. One of them is McCown but some people can't get past his 1-10 record at Tampa.
My question would be is if McCown would start and we are not going to be asking a lot out of him why wouldn't that apply to Manziel as well? Manziel could hand the ball off just as well, make the safe passes and even have the ability to scramble if the pocket collapses and make plays with his feet which is something McCown does not have near the agility to do. McCown has the experience but Manziel has more raw talent. It is going to be an interesting year but however it goes this team has the talent to win.
McCown is (gulp) a more polished NFL QB. And don't write off his athleticism, McCown is plenty athletic as well. He very well may be the best basketball player on the team, according to some.
McCown can read defenses quicker, make safer throws and distribute the ball to soft spots in the defense, whereas Manziel may be a half second behind on those reads.
But Manziel certainly has a much higher ceiling. Whoever gives the Browns the best chance to win -THATS who should be the starter. Even if it's Shaw (which I would love).
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We're really just arguing out of our own experience, which is pretty pointless (although I actually have experience being a fan of Johnny when he was good).Zombo said:
12 year olds. Heisman trophy. Social media whore ... hence jersey sales
None of my friends want a "bad boy" ... not even a wannabe bottle-tossing badboy.
Just shut up and win or we move on to the next one.
Zombo
McCoy was the winningest college quarterback of all time, fresh off a 13-1 season with a team that had been top 2 or 3 in national branding for about a decade, but I suppose no 12 year olds wanted his jersey and the delta between his and Manziel's sales is strictly due to little kids? This makes no sense.
We're really just arguing out of our own experience, which is pretty pointless (although I actually have experience being a fan of Johnny when he was good).
McCoy was the winningest college quarterback of all time, fresh off a 13-1 season with a team that had been top 2 or 3 in national branding for about a decade, but I suppose no 12 year olds wanted his jersey and the delta between his and Manziel's sales is strictly due to little kids? This makes no sense.
Colt was a third round pick and not seen as a "savior" by hardly anyone,
Weeden was not a popular pick,
Quinn would be the comparison.
Z
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The president of the Austin Browns Backers is a UT grad and I saw him in a Manziel jersey at the draft party. But he's just another 12 year old and/or Aggie, apparently.
The president of the Austin Browns Backers is a UT grad and I saw him in a Manziel jersey at the draft party. But he's just another 12 year old and/or Aggie, apparently.
I said half the jerseys were 12 year old boys and the other half were in Texas. I assume the Prez of the Austin BB lives in Texas.
Z
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The president of the Austin Browns Backers is a UT grad and I saw him in a Manziel jersey at the draft party. But he's just another 12 year old and/or Aggie, apparently.
I said half the jerseys were 12 year old boys and the other half were in Texas. I assume the Prez of the Austin BB lives in Texas.
Z
Zombo said:
I said half the jerseys were 12 year old boys and the other half were in Texas. I assume the Prez of the Austin BB lives in Texas.
Z
I see plenty of adult males at the Charlotte Backer bar wearing Manziel jerseys.
But I'm sure theyre all gay. Or Retarded. Or adopted. Or anything else you think to be lesser than an able-bodied white adult male.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Zombo said:
I said half the jerseys were 12 year old boys and the other half were in Texas. I assume the Prez of the Austin BB lives in Texas.
Z
I see plenty of adult males at the Charlotte Backer bar wearing Manziel jerseys.
But I'm sure theyre all gay. Or Retarded. Or adopted. Or anything else you think to be lesser than an able-bodied white adult male.
I see plenty of adult males at the Charlotte Raw Backer bar `
and they see you.
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The president of the Austin Browns Backers is a UT grad and I saw him in a Manziel jersey at the draft party. But he's just another 12 year old and/or Aggie, apparently.
I said half the jerseys were 12 year old boys and the other half were in Texas. I assume the Prez of the Austin BB lives in Texas.
Z
Zombo said:
I said half the jerseys were 12 year old boys and the other half were in Texas. I assume the Prez of the Austin BB lives in Texas.
Z
Ok I thought you were referring to Aggies.
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The Only Team in the State of Ohio That has no QB issues "THE Ohio State Buckeyes".. Just Wait
The Only Team in the State of Ohio That has no QB issues "THE Ohio State Buckeyes".. Just Wait
You've got to be kidding me. At least if you meant OSU. You have three quarterbacks and only one football. In order of pro potential- at this point it's clearly 1) Jones, 2) Barrett, 3) Miller. MHO is Miller was out of his mind not to transfer, he's got about zero chance of beating out the other two. Regarding zero, that's about his potential as a NFL quarterback. Shoulda switched to wr while he had the chance.
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I see plenty of adult males at the Charlotte Raw Backer bar `
and they see you.
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Zombo said:
I said half the jerseys were 12 year old boys and the other half were in Texas. I assume the Prez of the Austin BB lives in Texas.
Z
I see plenty of adult males at the Charlotte Backer bar wearing Manziel jerseys.
But I'm sure theyre all gay. Or Retarded. Or adopted. Or anything else you think to be lesser than an able-bodied white adult male.
I see plenty of adult males at the Charlotte Backer bar wearing Manziel jerseys.
But I'm sure theyre all gay. Or Retarded. Or adopted. Or anything else you think to be lesser than an able-bodied white adult male.
So now you think I'm a bigot?
Because I said his biggest fans were Texas men and young kids?
Zombo
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At least there are a lot of good QBs worth watching this year in college football. Here are some of the guys who might just end up being NFL-type QBs that come out in 2016:
Connor Cook, Michigan State - needs a good season to prove he is worth an early 1st
Christian Hackenberg, Penn State - if he has a good year, he could very well go #1 overall
Cardale Jones, Ohio State - needs to show he can produce for an entire season, and be consistent
Jonathan Goff, Cal - great size, and a good pocket-passer. Looks like he could be a potential starter
Dak Prescott, Mississippi State - needs to become a better passer, but I'm not sure we'll see that
Cody Kessler, USC - needs to show good arm strength and accuracy to overcome his small size
Patrick Towles, Kentucky - may not come out until 2017
Gunner Kiel, Cincinnati - what a great name for a QB. He's got a shot at a great season
Kevin Hogan, Stanford - very disappointing in 2014. Hopefully, this year he flashes some of the potential everybody seems to think he has
Jacoby Brissett, NC State - he may not come out until 2017, unless he lights it up. Good size and arm strength
Travis Wilson, Utah - needs to become more consistent.
Looks like we could potentially have 4 1st round QBs coming out next year... but, there's a long way to go. It will be fun to watch Big 10 games knowing 3 top QBs will be competing for draft position.
My prediction as to who becomes the best prospect - Christian Hackenberg
My prediction as a sleeper, who could be taken in the 1st - Kevin Hogan
The guy I just like, and I'm hoping he improves - Travis Wilson
I think we'll be QB shopping next year in the draft, so we might as well start looking at the names that might pop up...
At least there are a lot of good QBs worth watching this year in college football. Here are some of the guys who might just end up being NFL-type QBs that come out in 2016:
Connor Cook, Michigan State - needs a good season to prove he is worth an early 1st
Christian Hackenberg, Penn State - if he has a good year, he could very well go #1 overall
Cardale Jones, Ohio State - needs to show he can produce for an entire season, and be consistent
Jonathan Goff, Cal - great size, and a good pocket-passer. Looks like he could be a potential starter
Dak Prescott, Mississippi State - needs to become a better passer, but I'm not sure we'll see that
Cody Kessler, USC - needs to show good arm strength and accuracy to overcome his small size
Patrick Towles, Kentucky - may not come out until 2017
Gunner Kiel, Cincinnati - what a great name for a QB. He's got a shot at a great season
Kevin Hogan, Stanford - very disappointing in 2014. Hopefully, this year he flashes some of the potential everybody seems to think he has
Jacoby Brissett, NC State - he may not come out until 2017, unless he lights it up. Good size and arm strength
Travis Wilson, Utah - needs to become more consistent.
Looks like we could potentially have 4 1st round QBs coming out next year... but, there's a long way to go. It will be fun to watch Big 10 games knowing 3 top QBs will be competing for draft position.
My prediction as to who becomes the best prospect - Christian Hackenberg
My prediction as a sleeper, who could be taken in the 1st - Kevin Hogan
The guy I just like, and I'm hoping he improves - Travis Wilson
I think we'll be QB shopping next year in the draft, so we might as well start looking at the names that might pop up...
Cardale may still end up being third string.
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