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  • OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan

    It's a non story but it doesn't look good and Manziel doesn't need this kind of publicity. I don't think Manziel should have been forced to leave the hotel because someone else is acting bad. The one acting bad is the one who needs to leave. Manziel should have just had the hotel security take care of the problem. They could have warned the 18 year old who was harassing Manziel to stop and if he continued I'm sure they could have escorted him off the premises.

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    It's a non story but it doesn't look good and Manziel doesn't need this kind of publicity. I don't think Manziel should have been forced to leave the hotel because someone else is acting bad. The one acting bad is the one who needs to leave. Manziel should have just had the hotel security take care of the problem. They could have warned the 18 year old who was harassing Manziel to stop and if he continued I'm sure they could have escorted him off the premises.

    yes and it would have taken ME about 15 mins to make that call.

    D BoneD gftChrisG 2 Replies
  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    It's a non story but it doesn't look good and Manziel doesn't need this kind of publicity. I don't think Manziel should have been forced to leave the hotel because someone else is acting bad. The one acting bad is the one who needs to leave. Manziel should have just had the hotel security take care of the problem. They could have warned the 18 year old who was harassing Manziel to stop and if he continued I'm sure they could have escorted him off the premises.

    yes and it would have taken ME about 15 mins to make that call.

    @miktoxic said:

    yes and it would have taken ME about 15 mins to make that call.

    ^ That............

    ...... or at least hit him with the water bottle. 😎

  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    and we all know that a coach/gm/owner would not lie in response to protect their player but actually have another opinion altogether?

    i'm sure when the coaches and the other higher up's open their newspaper or read the news on their tablets or pcs they are thrilled to see manziel's name attached to another screwup.

    give me a break.

    i'll stop now.

    @miktoxic said:

    and we all know that a coach/gm/owner would not lie in response to protect their player but actually have another opinion altogether?

    i'm sure when the coaches and the other higher up's open their newspaper or read the news on their tablets or pcs they are thrilled to see manziel's name attached to another screwup.

    give me a break.

    i'll stop now.

    You ask for something. I give it to you. You discredit it and ask for something else.

    That's why this conversation is over.

    I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride
  • MudflyM Mudfly

    and if you look at the national map, which shows sales by state, you'll see Johnny was #1 in 3 states.....OK, KY and OH.....and considering he was 5th in Cleveland, it's pretty apparent his sales were vastly inflated by "new Browns fans".....

    Using the map, it's obvious almost ALL areas are buying jerseys for their local players(closest teams)...except OK.....

    http://www.dsg.com/pages/best-selling-nfl-jerseys-by-state

    and if you use the map and go by TEAM sales, you'll see OK is unique as one of only 2 states who favor a team far far away (as arkansas likes the Stoolers)....

    http://www.dsg.com/pages/best-selling-nfl-jerseys-by-state

    So, if OK has JFF as #1 and the Browns as #1, we can assume that they sold a HUGE amount of JFF jerseys.....

    And KY sold more Cinn jerseys, yet had JFF as #1 too......so.....more PROOF that JFF's jerseys sold more elsewhere...

    @mudfly said:

    and if you look at the national map, which shows sales by state, you'll see Johnny was #1 in 3 states.....OK, KY and OH.....and considering he was 5th in Cleveland, it's pretty apparent his sales were vastly inflated by "new Browns fans".....

    Using the map, it's obvious almost ALL areas are buying jerseys for their local players(closest teams)...except OK.....

    http://www.dsg.com/pages/best-selling-nfl-jerseys-by-state

    and if you use the map and go by TEAM sales, you'll see OK is unique as one of only 2 states who favor a team far far away (as arkansas likes the Stoolers)....

    http://www.dsg.com/pages/best-selling-nfl-jerseys-by-state

    So, if OK has JFF as #1 and the Browns as #1, we can assume that they sold a HUGE amount of JFF jerseys.....

    And KY sold more Cinn jerseys, yet had JFF as #1 too......so.....more PROOF that JFF's jerseys sold more elsewhere...

    As an Oklahoman, I'm surprised Dez doesn't have the lead. I would give it to Bradford or AP but Bradford plays for the Eagles, and unfortunately this is Cowboy country, and, well, AP speaks for itself.

    As for seeing Brown's jerseys here, I believe I've seen a grand total of 5, including my own (it's a Braylon Edwards jersey, not sure if that makes it any better), within the past what 5 or 6 years, none of which were JM. Maybe it is all those 12 year olds that Z has been talking about.

  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    yeah cuz when the term 'bad boy QB' is used the first image that pops into your head is johnny manziel, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    now maybe 'spoiled brat QB'.................

    @miktoxic said:

    yeah cuz when the term 'bad boy QB' is used the first image that pops into your head is johnny manziel, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    now maybe 'spoiled brat QB'.................

    It wasn't the term I used originally. I just threw it out so we could distill what we were talking about into one, easy-to-use phrase. For a guy who can't argue and who tells me to take it easier, you sure do like to pointlessly prod me a lot.
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  • Nvm

  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    Here's a few more takes on the Manziel story by a certain well loved member of the Browns:

    Haden said when he goes out in downtown Cleveland he has security with him, but he said people are nicer to him than they are to Manziel.

    so yes joe haden agrees with me. and 2 hours? should've left after a 1/2 hour.

    @miktoxic said:

    Haden said when he goes out in downtown Cleveland he has security with him, but he said people are nicer to him than they are to Manziel.

    so yes joe haden agrees with me. and 2 hours? should've left after a 1/2 hour.

    Hahaha. And if he had left after a half hour, you'd say he should have left after 15 minutes (as you said would have been the case were it you, only 3 posts later. Like I said, people's prism affects how they're going to view the situation.

  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    and we all know that a coach/gm/owner would not lie in response to protect their player but actually have another opinion altogether?

    i'm sure when the coaches and the other higher up's open their newspaper or read the news on their tablets or pcs they are thrilled to see manziel's name attached to another screwup.

    give me a break.

    i'll stop now.

    @miktoxic said:

    and we all know that a coach/gm/owner would not lie in response to protect their player but actually have another opinion altogether?

    i'm sure when the coaches and the other higher up's open their newspaper or read the news on their tablets or pcs they are thrilled to see manziel's name attached to another screwup.

    give me a break.

    i'll stop now.

    It's funny because I could probably find a half dozen posts from Mik praising Pettine for being a straight shooter and not blowing smoke up our rears.

  • W wargograw

    @miktoxic said:

    yeah cuz when the term 'bad boy QB' is used the first image that pops into your head is johnny manziel, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    now maybe 'spoiled brat QB'.................

    It wasn't the term I used originally. I just threw it out so we could distill what we were talking about into one, easy-to-use phrase. For a guy who can't argue and who tells me to take it easier, you sure do like to pointlessly prod me a lot.

    @wargograw said:

    It wasn't the term I used originally. I just threw it out so we could distill what we were talking about into one, easy-to-use phrase. For a guy who can't argue and who tells me to take it easier, you sure do like to pointlessly prod me a lot.

    Please refer to Post 93 on page 5 of this thread where the term "bad boy QB" was introduced.

    Irrelevant to the point we're discussing. Browns fans, despite your claims, proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that they wanted to be fans of a bad boy QB.

    Just go ahead and own it, it'll be easier for you.

    Zombo

    W 1 Reply
  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    It's a non story but it doesn't look good and Manziel doesn't need this kind of publicity. I don't think Manziel should have been forced to leave the hotel because someone else is acting bad. The one acting bad is the one who needs to leave. Manziel should have just had the hotel security take care of the problem. They could have warned the 18 year old who was harassing Manziel to stop and if he continued I'm sure they could have escorted him off the premises.

    yes and it would have taken ME about 15 mins to make that call.

    @miktoxic said:

    yes and it would have taken ME about 15 mins to make that call.

    @d-bone said:

    ^ That............

    ...... or at least hit him with the water bottle. 😎

    Most would have thrown the water bottle after 15 minutes. As it is, Johnny got pushed out of his chair, scrambled around for an extra 90 minutes looking for someone to throw the water bottle at, eventually found a target and took 15 minutes to release it, hoping for the best.

  • You know, the more I read things from people about the guy I'm convinced they'd rather see him and as a result the Browns fail. It's very possible at this point Manziel is a bust and won't work out, but who the hell wants that? I'd rather have a "punk kid" like Manziel actually turn into a damn franchise QB than sit and watch another wandering veteran QB lead the team to 4-7 wins.

    MudflyM 1 Reply

  • Sometimes its seems like articles pop up at the strangest times......as if Cleve writers read these threads and then spin an article....

    So, today Tom Reed posts this article about the Browns uni's and uses the Dicks links I used yesterday.....weird eh?

    Is it crazy to think we are the source for their news?

    http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2015/06/cleveland_browns_db_joe_haden_1.html#incart_story_package

  • PoeticGP PoeticG

    Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, is overreacting about Manziel. Johnny Manziel is a competitor and a heck of a good QB. He could be on any NFL teams roster right now. We should be happy that we have a QB like him waiting to get out there and take control of this team. That is his goal and that is our hope. It will happen. Last year it was Hoyer's team, there is no question about it. Since the McCoy handling on the QB spot with Weeden and everything else, when Hoyer showed that he was capable and then went down with an injury, it was his team... everyone knew that. When they drafted John Manziel is was expected that Hoyer would be the starter barring an injury or supreme excellence from Manziel that proved otherwise. When Hoyer hit the wall and Manziel was called on to get in there, he did so with limited reps with the starters. Manziel will win the Starting Job by week one and get his shot. McCown is an insurance policy that was necessary to have, Johnny may need more time, he may sustain injury with his 'never say die' demeanor and his ability to make plays on the fly with his legs. McCown thus has a task of always being ready to step in, to mentor Manziel in the ways of a veteran QB(which is something Hoyer would not do because he wanted the job for himself). That is the end of the story. Manziel is our QB, suck it up and accept it and shut the fuck up, it is what it is..

    @poeticg said:

    Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, is overreacting about Manziel. Johnny Manziel is a competitor and a heck of a good QB. He could be on any NFL teams roster right now. We should be happy that we have a QB like him waiting to get out there and take control of this team. That is his goal and that is our hope. It will happen. Last year it was Hoyer's team, there is no question about it. Since the McCoy handling on the QB spot with Weeden and everything else, when Hoyer showed that he was capable and then went down with an injury, it was his team... everyone knew that. When they drafted John Manziel is was expected that Hoyer would be the starter barring an injury or supreme excellence from Manziel that proved otherwise. When Hoyer hit the wall and Manziel was called on to get in there, he did so with limited reps with the starters. Manziel will win the Starting Job by week one and get his shot. McCown is an insurance policy that was necessary to have, Johnny may need more time, he may sustain injury with his 'never say die' demeanor and his ability to make plays on the fly with his legs. McCown thus has a task of always being ready to step in, to mentor Manziel in the ways of a veteran QB(which is something Hoyer would not do because he wanted the job for himself). That is the end of the story. Manziel is our QB, suck it up and accept it and shut the fuck up, it is what it is..

    Third stringer Conner Shaw was more in command and looked more like an NFL QB with less hype and even FEWER reps with 1st or 2nd team than johnny football.

  • jrb12711J jrb12711

    You know, the more I read things from people about the guy I'm convinced they'd rather see him and as a result the Browns fail. It's very possible at this point Manziel is a bust and won't work out, but who the hell wants that? I'd rather have a "punk kid" like Manziel actually turn into a damn franchise QB than sit and watch another wandering veteran QB lead the team to 4-7 wins.

    @jrb12711 said:

    I'm convinced they'd rather see him .. fail. It's very possible at this point Manziel is a bust, but who the hell wants that?

    I dont think anybody wants that.

    You'd think if people were "happy" to see him fail, then they'd be......"happy"......right?

    I just see a bunch of angry, fed up and disappointed people.

    And who gets angry and disappointed when they get want they are hoping for???

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  • MudflyM Mudfly

    @jrb12711 said:

    I'm convinced they'd rather see him .. fail. It's very possible at this point Manziel is a bust, but who the hell wants that?

    I dont think anybody wants that.

    You'd think if people were "happy" to see him fail, then they'd be......"happy"......right?

    I just see a bunch of angry, fed up and disappointed people.

    And who gets angry and disappointed when they get want they are hoping for???

    @mudfly said:

    I dont think anybody wants that.

    You'd think if people were "happy" to see him fail, then they'd be......"happy"......right?

    I just see a bunch of angry, fed up and disappointed people.

    And who gets angry and disappointed when they get want they are hoping for???

    People who don't know that what they think they want isn't what they really want.

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  • yeah....I guess there's gonna be a group who saw the circus coming and predicted it(a fairly large group, btw).....and now, although I dont think they wanted it, they probably do feel vindicated.....

  • MudflyM Mudfly

    @jrb12711 said:

    I'm convinced they'd rather see him .. fail. It's very possible at this point Manziel is a bust, but who the hell wants that?

    I dont think anybody wants that.

    You'd think if people were "happy" to see him fail, then they'd be......"happy"......right?

    I just see a bunch of angry, fed up and disappointed people.

    And who gets angry and disappointed when they get want they are hoping for???

    @mudfly said:

    I dont think anybody wants that.

    You'd think if people were "happy" to see him fail, then they'd be......"happy"......right?

    I just see a bunch of angry, fed up and disappointed people.

    And who gets angry and disappointed when they get want they are hoping for???

    IDK man-I hear what you're saying but between some posts on here, with friends and in the media I start to question. I'm just saying personality be damned if the guy can figure out how to play QB. I'm getting more and more convinced though people would rather see him fail because of his transgressions.

  • I agree....There are some who would want that and actually feel good about it...just so they can say "I told you so".....but I think they are the minority////

    Most of us would be elated if he played well.....and even more so if he did it with some class and professionalism....

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  • Z Zombo

    @wargograw said:

    It wasn't the term I used originally. I just threw it out so we could distill what we were talking about into one, easy-to-use phrase. For a guy who can't argue and who tells me to take it easier, you sure do like to pointlessly prod me a lot.

    Please refer to Post 93 on page 5 of this thread where the term "bad boy QB" was introduced.

    Irrelevant to the point we're discussing. Browns fans, despite your claims, proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that they wanted to be fans of a bad boy QB.

    Just go ahead and own it, it'll be easier for you.

    Zombo

    Zombo said:

    Please refer to Post 93 on page 5 of this thread where the term "bad boy QB" was introduced.

    Just go ahead and own it, it'll be easier for you.

    Zombo

    Yes and that wasn't my "original" post on the topic. Nor was it my first go-to word for what I was describing. I said edge originally IIRC.
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  • MudflyM Mudfly

    @jrb12711 said:

    I'm convinced they'd rather see him .. fail. It's very possible at this point Manziel is a bust, but who the hell wants that?

    I dont think anybody wants that.

    You'd think if people were "happy" to see him fail, then they'd be......"happy"......right?

    I just see a bunch of angry, fed up and disappointed people.

    And who gets angry and disappointed when they get want they are hoping for???

    @mudfly said:

    I dont think anybody wants that.

    You'd think if people were "happy" to see him fail, then they'd be......"happy"......right?

    I just see a bunch of angry, fed up and disappointed people.

    And who gets angry and disappointed when they get want they are hoping for???

    exactly. who wants (as a browns fan) to see anyone fail who is drafted and plays for their favorite team?

    the kid has a lot to live up to and he can blame it on himself or the media or his annoying fans, who cares at this point? all we heard from his masses that stormed the doors last year was "JUST WAIT!" "YOU GUYS HAVEN"T SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS!" "HE"S GOING TO WRECK THIS LEAGUE!"

    well so far he has done squat and every time you turn around there is some other type of incident that is a 'non-story'. i don't know if it's his personality? i mean he's prob a good guy. i'm glad he's trying to get his life together. i just wish he'd make better decisions on and off the field.

    was this a big deal? no, but how many little deals turn into a big deal?

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