Carson hate
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I mean that right there tells me you're never going to get it. Poor people getting healthcare vs the explosion of our surveillance state, that's what it boils down to. I'm not saying the ACA can't cause problems, i'm sure it will. But in the end 9.11 will have profoundly changed us more than giving poor people medical coverage. I'm mean jesus Christ. I'm going to bring this up the next time you complain about Obama pulling troops out of Iraq too soon. Who cares now cause Obama care is way way way worse than any of these Isis or Al Quida fucks. Talked yourself into one there Steve.
Now you are wasting my time. And your own assuming you have something better to do.
Obama defeated al queda and killed Osama bin Laden. We are safe now.
WSS
Now you are wasting my time. And your own assuming you have something better to do.
Obama defeated al queda and killed Osama bin Laden. We are safe now.
WSS
Which Steve am i talking to then? Cause the Westside Steve from earlier this week was ranting about how we brought back the troops from Iraq too soon. I mean we're safe now right?
CFFL
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The mental disability of liberals, is that they fail to learn
that their fringe causes are way left, but that they
call it "middle ground" because they want to be
accepted into the mainstream.
Just wishing doesn't make it so.
And most Americans - that was about 51-53 percent.
Now it's less. So, according to Pew, it is no longer
a majority of Americans.
But that won't stop you from spouting it endlessly.
http://www.salon.com/2014/09/23/why_does_a_new_poll_show_gay_marriage_support_dropping/
and, man made goober warning? hahahaha.
Most Americans are seeing that it isn't a crisis, nor a fact:
http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/26/poll-53-of-americans-dont-believe-in-man-made-global-warming/
The mental disability of liberals, is that they fail to learn
that their fringe causes are way left, but that they
call it "middle ground" because they want to be
accepted into the mainstream.
Just wishing doesn't make it so.
And most Americans - that was about 51-53 percent.
Now it's less. So, according to Pew, it is no longer
a majority of Americans.
But that won't stop you from spouting it endlessly.
http://www.salon.com/2014/09/23/why_does_a_new_poll_show_gay_marriage_support_dropping/
and, man made goober warning? hahahaha.
Most Americans are seeing that it isn't a crisis, nor a fact:
http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/26/poll-53-of-americans-dont-believe-in-man-made-global-warming/
You found a poll from last year saying support had dropped to 49%. Of course, within the margin of error this could easily be over 50%.
Here are three polls from 2015, all showing support over 50%:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/117328/marriage.aspx
I imagine the next iteration of the Pew Research Center poll will show similar numbers.
Regardless of how you feel on the subject, support will keep growing for gay marriage and it will be legal everywhere soon enough. Polls show less support for gay marriage the older the person being polled is. Thing is, these people aren't going to be around as much in the future as compared to the younger generations. As a result, support will keep growing. Not to mention just general education and knowledge will help grow support.
Also, I never said the majority of Americans believe man made climate change is a thing. I haven't looked at a public opinion poll. Thing is though, as opposed to the same sex marriage debate, this is a completely scientific issue. I don't care what the public opinion polls are on climate change really, the scientific community should be the voice on the matter. As Logic has mentioned, the vast, vast majority of the scientific community is in agreement. They have all done their own research, they've independently reached the same conclusion, they've had those conclusions peer reviewed. The only reason it is still a "debate" is because people made it a political issue. It isn't. It is a scientific issue. If we can't even get people to acknowledge it is occurring, we won't be able to decide what to do about it. What the potentially scientifically illiterate public thinks on the matter shouldn't really play into the conclusion on a scientific issue. Someone could think it is or isn't happening based solely on what their political party tells them. Their opinons shouldn't influence the conclusion. The scientific community should.
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Since does science deny evidence that doesn't meet with their agenda?
We've been over the fraudulent cherry picking of "scientific evidence" before, more than once.
All I am telling you, is that mmgw is the UN's weapon of choice, in a duel to redistribute wealth.
And, more and more, people are understanding that there is science supporting a strong
denial that mmgw is happening, or at least, there is NO crisis ,regardless of how strong'
the liberals want that political advantage.
The controversy is gaining traction. Censoring a whole group of scientists and science because it
doesn't fit the pro-liberal agenda is losing the argument a little at a time.
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I'll repost this, since the nonsense claims are coming out again about it.
then I'll post this again:
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/162241
Now, any freaking "truth" that has 17,000 scientists disputing it....
is no truth. It's a controversial theory, the supporters of which have a
UN admitted hidden agenda, and a vicious anger about being questioned.
Which brings to mind somebody mentioned, I'm thinkin it was Woody, about
it's good to question everything, challenge everything.
But it is only bad to challenge or question when it's the liberals and the corrupt UN
say it's bad.
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Cal, 17,000 is not much when compared to the number of scientists world wide.
Also. I am sure that the vast majority of the scientific community all just have a hive mind that is controlled by the UN. Their profession does not teach them to question data at all. Not ever.
Cal, I work in a field that has billions of dollars tied up in being able to burn oil and gas. When those guys tell you man made global warming is real even at great financial peril, I trust them.
But carry on as you wish. This argument has been hashed and rehashed a ton of times.
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What Logic said. 17,000 is a drop in the bucket. You could go further and dig into what they consider "scientists". Hell, I think engineers are awesome, but I've seen them on some of your lists and more often than not they really shouldn't count.
You really think the vast, vast majority of qualified scientists and scientific groups worldwide are all colluding together in some liberal scheme? Are you that dumb? That's not how this works. They have independent research, peer reviews, etc.
There is no denial of denier evidence. It is either bring skewed or sometimes just inaccurate. Myself and others have pointed this out numerous times.
I would count the one disagreeing with almost the entirety of the scientific community as the one in denial...
Too bad this became a political issue. Scientific issues should not be infected by politics.
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Now you are wasting my time. And your own assuming you have something better to do.
Obama defeated al queda and killed Osama bin Laden. We are safe now.
WSS
Which Steve am i talking to then? Cause the Westside Steve from earlier this week was ranting about how we brought back the troops from Iraq too soon. I mean we're safe now right?
CFFL
Which Steve am i talking to then? Cause the Westside Steve from earlier this week was ranting about how we brought back the troops from Iraq too soon. I mean we're safe now right?
CFFL
I don't remember making any such rent. I think we all especially the most hyperbolic of us, tend to blame every member of the board for everything other left or right wing posters have to say.
but, and I hesitate to get any further into it, just for clarification I was kidding about being safe since we assassinated Osama bin Laden. I don't believe he planned or executed 911 and may or may not have even been briefed on it beforehand.
WSS
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A. Yes, you are a woodypeckerhead. You chime in every time somebody else
corrects somebody you don't like. That is exactly why I called you Johnny, because
the kid next door did stuff like smart off to other kids, says he would beat them up,
then if they made a move to come up into his yard, he'd scream "HELP" and slam
the door shut.
Furthermore, woodpecker, YOU are an engineer. So, if engineers aren't qualified
to disagree with mmgw, then why in the hell are YOU allowed to be for it?
By your own sickenly arrogant assholish birdbrain admission, you aren't qualified to agree or disagree,
and you are far from being an engineer scientist.
You really need to STOP BEING AN ASSHOLE about stuff. There are plenty
of other folks on this forum, and other forums, that have mentioned something
to that effect to you. Nobody every said anything about most all scientists
colluding anything.
I say, it's a political movement, and it comes from the UN. And when the UN
says global redistribution of wealth to poor countries DEPENDS ON MMGW,
then I would think that that would give a lot more than 17,000 scientists pause
to say "hey, wtf?"
B. Do you really think that 17,000 scientists would lie out their rears? Really?
All I've ever said was, that if there are scientists who disagree, it is no fact.
C. Is it a possibility? Sure. Our CO2 is climbing, and I don't like that. But for all the expensive
pollution control we've enforced, was mentioned before, China and India are two of the worlds
worst polluters. They were exempt from the Kyoto treaty, as well as a lot of other poor countries.
D. Now, Having said that, and having shown you that the UN is using mmgw as a redistributer political device,
yes, I agree with you on one point, it IS too bad it became a political maneuver. But the maneuvering in
strictly on the liberal left. It's a rallying cause for the UN and liberalism to take away from the rich countries,
give to the poor, and the left will stop at nothing, will happily lower themselves into a mammoth-ridden tar pit
right to it's bottom, if it has one that is, to gain politically and leftwing culturally.
E. Logic, I understand what you are saying, btw. What do those experts at your company say about CO2 going up,
and mmgw not going up for well over a decade? I don't get it, that's all.
F. Now, back to woodypeckerhead, just once, you should stop the straw man crap. You are so fond of saying "HAHA
IF YOU THINK THAT __________, YOU ARE A MORON" kind of statement. There are very serious questions,
and as long as there are a large group of scientists who refuse to agree to mmgw, why in the hell does anybody
buy into it as some kind of profound truth of the ages?
G. And, btw, when "man made global warming" became "climate change" up on high, at the UN, I suppose,
how the hell is it, that you lefties started being psycho parrots again, and started chanting it immediately?
Doesn't that give the left pause, that they are so happily and easily manipulated?
H. And I stand by my question - to woodypeckerhead - why the hell does the left get to demand to question and
challenge everything THEY want questioned and challenged, but they get sickenly hostile when the right
challengs and questions what the left doesn't want challenged or questioned?
Know what I'm sayin? Of course YOU don't, woodypeckerhead, but that was to the rest of the board, who
aren't dishonest like you.[
I. I don't give a frak, as long as the wanton destruction of our rainforests and plains etc, are being destroyed
by the millions and millions of acres, and the mmgw crowd doesn't give a frak, they can shove it when they
cry about CO2 being caused by cows farting and farm machinery (TAX the farmers), and RV and SUV and
pickup trucks (TAX THE MIDDLE CLASS AND THE RICH), and they bitch about campfires and woodburning
fireplaces (TAX EVERYBODY WHO DOESN'T LIVE IN THE CITIES, and they want to force entire rich
countries to fork over a hell of a lot of their money to the UN to redistribute it to poor countries (TAX EVERY
PERSON IN THOES COUNTRIES)....
I say it's a crock of crap. Sure, there is evidence that it is happening. But there is also evidence that it
it NOT. And when the left goes nutso and tries to blackball anybody who wonders why that is, and hides
that evidence to the contrary, forget about it.
J. My last point - the Kyoto Treaty EXCLUDED china, India, and a lot of poor countries. If mmgw was real, and
and looming devastating immediate GLOBAL CRISIS, why is that? Seriously.
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Cal, I believe they looked at the temp increases world wide and the amount of glacial ice that is breaking off. As a general rule, it is lunch time talk and nothing like that comes up at the office. I even make sure to only talk about stuff like that on my personal phone.
A coworker was mysteriously canned after piping up about fracking run off getting into his well water. So any discussion about anything negative about coal or gas is off the clock and away from HR types.
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oh and Hillary's an idiot too for the record before any of you go the higgardly card on me. I can't stand her. "BUT", compared to these guys getting rolled out on the right she's George Washington. You guys think letting clowns like Trump, Cruz and this Carson guy somehow helps define the eventual winner. It doesn't. It makes normal people think that the republican party is a far far worse danger than the democrats could ever be. You let people in the party get away with saying shit like pregnancy can't happen from rape cause the woman has some magic rune defense against getting pregnant in case of non consentual sex.
oh and Hillary's an idiot too for the record before any of you go the higgardly card on me. I can't stand her. "BUT", compared to these guys getting rolled out on the right she's George Washington.
That's a stretch. She's John McCain in a pant suit. If Democrat voters were smart and really wanted to fix 'Murrica they'd vote for Jim Webb. On the Republican side Rand Paul. All others on the Repub side are big business, big war hacks.
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I kind of think omalley's alright. Of course Warren would put her heels in wall streets dickholes so she scores on that with me big time. With how much those guys subvert our free market it's a wonder to me how hard conservatives shill for wall st being they're so protective of our free mkt system. Wall st will depth charge our economy at any time they feel like they can make back huge sums on the rebound or ride the bubble out. Seriously, these guys have figured out how to make out like gangsters when the rest of the economy bottoms out into the shitter.....but leave it to modern republicans to protect that ability like it's the 1st amendment, or 2nd.
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oh and Hillary's an idiot too for the record before any of you go the higgardly card on me. I can't stand her. "BUT", compared to these guys getting rolled out on the right she's George Washington.
That's a stretch. She's John McCain in a pant suit. If Democrat voters were smart and really wanted to fix 'Murrica they'd vote for Jim Webb. On the Republican side Rand Paul. All others on the Repub side are big business, big war hacks.
That's a stretch. She's John McCain in a pant suit. If Democrat voters were smart and really wanted to fix 'Murrica they'd vote for Jim Webb. On the Republican side Rand Paul. All others on the Repub side are big business, big war hacks.
Well maybe but he hasn't written anything substantial since Richard Harris and Glen Campbell were performing.
WSS
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but seriously no crackpot way off the standard is going to accomplish anything no matter how much populism they preach.
WSS
www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons -
I'll read your rant tomorrow Cal
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but seriously no crackpot way off the standard is going to accomplish anything no matter how much populism they preach.
WSS
but seriously no crackpot way off the standard is going to accomplish anything no matter how much populism they preach.
WSS
1. Webb wrote a great book in the mid 2000s (non fiction) about the Scots Irish in America called Born fighting.
2. Crackpot? Dude was Ronny Reagan's SecNav. Of course a decorated combat vet that worked for our best recent president and preaches non intervention and smart intervention is so far out of the mainstream that he seems to be a crackpot.
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Carson is the spin up of some Tea Partiers. He came to fame when he spoke at a national prayer breakfast, making his name as an educated black man who didn't like Obama. In doing so, he broke his word to the people running the prayer breakfast, asking speaker to speak about things other than backing Obama. Ben Carson agreed not to bash Obama, took the podium and bashed Obama on his way into the national spotlight.
He's a smart man and a good doctor, but underhanded and not POTUS material. Of course he wouldn't be the first person to not be POTUS material and win anyhow, but Carson won't even sniff the nomination.
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Mohican, I don't think that is accurate - from what I can tell, Carson made his speech,
and ops at the WH wanted the prayer breakfast people to ask Carson to call and apologize to Obamao.
Carson said Obamao was only a few seats away, and never seemed to be
upset with his comments, and had no intention of apologizing.
It was great speech
What is concerning, that before Carson's speech, the WH repeatedly asked Carson for a pre-speech copy of his
speech.
Carson also declined. The left always tries to control the message, dominate the perception of themselves.
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/285137-carson-no-sneak-peek-for-obama
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Mo, I was talking about Rand Paul as the crackpot like his old man like Ross Perot, Bernie Sanders or Ralph Nader. Like those kind of outsiders.
WSS
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also it was exactly Bush fatigue with John McCain. No Republican was gonna beat the exciting new flavor of the month. Mitt Romney? I really liked him and wish he'd have won, even though my favorite was Newt Gingrich. Still I figure in the second term the country has to be in complete shambles to get beat. Or as with Bush one just tired of 12 years of one party rule in the White House.
And the poles? Please. They had every Republican candidate in first place at some point.
WSS
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"The left always tries to control the message, dominate the perception of themselves."
And the right would never do such a thing?
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