Interesting idea that will never happen
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with the talent we have now, Id totally agree that next year would be the ideal time to "break the bank" on a QB, so to speak......compared to past years where it probably wouldnt have been worth it....
For 2 firsts and the rest of our payroll, Id say Wilson wouldnt be my first choice....but beggars cant be choosers.....
Im keeping an eye on the Phillip Rivers sweepstakes too......may be available for much cheaper than 2 firsts.....
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But isn't the maximum pick compensation for signing away a RFA is one 1st?
EDIT: Two 1sts, if signed away under the "non-exclusive" franchise tag.
The real issue is the contract offer. It'd have to be high enough that the Seahawks would (could) not match it without hamstringing ourselves. Since the hang up appears to be guaranteed money, might be able to frontload enough to do just that...
Interesting indeed... and yes, not likely...
But isn't the maximum pick compensation for signing away a RFA is one 1st?
EDIT: Two 1sts, if signed away under the "non-exclusive" franchise tag.
The real issue is the contract offer. It'd have to be high enough that the Seahawks would (could) not match it without hamstringing ourselves. Since the hang up appears to be guaranteed money, might be able to frontload enough to do just that...
Interesting indeed... and yes, not likely...
http://www.scout.com/nfl/browns/story/1555044-what-if-russell-wilson-is-franchised-browns
The Cleveland Browns are still seeking an answer at the most important position on the field: Quarterback. Super Bowl winning QB Russell Wilson is in a contract dispute with the Seattle Seahawks. What if they Franchise Tag him? How much would he be worth to the Browns?
Obviously, it won't happen. But, assuming that all of the chips somehow magically fell into place, I think you offer 50% more than whatever Wilson is asking for. Money is no object.
But isn't the maximum pick compensation for signing away a RFA is one 1st?
EDIT: Two 1sts, if signed away under the "non-exclusive" franchise tag.
The real issue is the contract offer. It'd have to be high enough that the Seahawks would (could) not match it without hamstringing ourselves. Since the hang up appears to be guaranteed money, might be able to frontload enough to do just that...
Interesting indeed... and yes, not likely...
I would be happy with a Roethlisberger-type monster contract. Taylor, D. Bryant, McCown, and Dray would all be worthy cap casualties to ensure we have enough room to bring on a mega contract.
I have a feeling that multiple players, including Thomas and Haden, would restructure to bring in a player of Wilson's caliber, it would be no different than them signing with a contender once FA hits.
Wilson is in a specifically built system to get the best out of him. He is obviously a good QB but no guarantee that if you take him out of Seattle, he plays to the same level.
That specifically built system centers around a strong running game, a stifling defense, and an overacheiving offensive line - similar to what we're seemingly trying to implement here.
Granted, we don't have a Marshawn Lynch, but we do have a better offensive line (on paper).
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Would be interesting to see Wilson on another team. He's obviously in a very good Seahawks team. How would he do on a team where it all depends on him?
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Very good is debatable on their offense. Lynch is good. Their OL is average. Their receivers are below average. Tight ends are average.
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But isn't the maximum pick compensation for signing away a RFA is one 1st?
EDIT: Two 1sts, if signed away under the "non-exclusive" franchise tag.
The real issue is the contract offer. It'd have to be high enough that the Seahawks would (could) not match it without hamstringing ourselves. Since the hang up appears to be guaranteed money, might be able to frontload enough to do just that...
Interesting indeed... and yes, not likely...
http://www.scout.com/nfl/browns/story/1555044-what-if-russell-wilson-is-franchised-browns
The Cleveland Browns are still seeking an answer at the most important position on the field: Quarterback. Super Bowl winning QB Russell Wilson is in a contract dispute with the Seattle Seahawks. What if they Franchise Tag him? How much would he be worth to the Browns?
Obviously, it won't happen. But, assuming that all of the chips somehow magically fell into place, I think you offer 50% more than whatever Wilson is asking for. Money is no object.
But isn't the maximum pick compensation for signing away a RFA is one 1st?
EDIT: Two 1sts, if signed away under the "non-exclusive" franchise tag.
The real issue is the contract offer. It'd have to be high enough that the Seahawks would (could) not match it without hamstringing ourselves. Since the hang up appears to be guaranteed money, might be able to frontload enough to do just that...
Interesting indeed... and yes, not likely...
I would be happy with a Roethlisberger-type monster contract. Taylor, D. Bryant, McCown, and Dray would all be worthy cap casualties to ensure we have enough room to bring on a mega contract.
I have a feeling that multiple players, including Thomas and Haden, would restructure to bring in a player of Wilson's caliber, it would be no different than them signing with a contender once FA hits.
Wilson is in a specifically built system to get the best out of him. He is obviously a good QB but no guarantee that if you take him out of Seattle, he plays to the same level.
That specifically built system centers around a strong running game, a stifling defense, and an overacheiving offensive line - similar to what we're seemingly trying to implement here.
Granted, we don't have a Marshawn Lynch, but we do have a better offensive line (on paper).
Taylor, D. Bryant, McCown, and Dray would all be worthy cap casualties to ensure we have enough room to bring on a mega contract.
Don't forget Mack... there's $8mm/yr.
Would be interesting to see Wilson on another team. He's obviously in a very good Seahawks team. How would he do on a team where it all depends on him?
Huh? We're building the opposite of an everything on the QB roster.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Taylor, D. Bryant, McCown, and Dray would all be worthy cap casualties to ensure we have enough room to bring on a mega contract.
Don't forget Mack... there's $8mm/yr.
Would be interesting to see Wilson on another team. He's obviously in a very good Seahawks team. How would he do on a team where it all depends on him?
Huh? We're building the opposite of an everything on the QB roster.
Huh? We're building the opposite of an everything on the QB roster.
agreed......would say the Browns have comparable man for man offensive talent to the Hawks.....and the system being put in place is designed to diminish the requirements on the QB.....whomever it may be....sooooo.....
dont really see it as a drop off for him....
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... and this year should show that. If McCown has a good year, then would there be any doubt that Wilson would?
Wilson may be the ultimate game manager in the league and is perfectly content in that role. But he has the upside of being able to put a team on his back every once in a while and carry them to victory.
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Huh? We're building the opposite of an everything on the QB roster.
agreed......would say the Browns have comparable man for man offensive talent to the Hawks.....and the system being put in place is designed to diminish the requirements on the QB.....whomever it may be....sooooo.....
dont really see it as a drop off for him....
agreed......would say the Browns have comparable man for man offensive talent to the Hawks.....and the system being put in place is designed to diminish the requirements on the QB.....whomever it may be....sooooo.....
dont really see it as a drop off for him....
Except Lynch, and now Graham.
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agreed......would say the Browns have comparable man for man offensive talent to the Hawks.....and the system being put in place is designed to diminish the requirements on the QB.....whomever it may be....sooooo.....
dont really see it as a drop off for him....
Except Lynch, and now Graham.
Except Lynch, and now Graham.
right....we have better players in some areas and they have better players in some areas......though Im not counting Graham, as he hasn't played with them yet, so he cant really be factored into Wilson(or Seattles) past performance....
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right....we have better players in some areas and they have better players in some areas......though Im not counting Graham, as he hasn't played with them yet, so he cant really be factored into Wilson(or Seattles) past performance....
hence the 'now' part. I don't disagree that we're probably better in some areas than they, and vice versa, and overall roughly the same - just with the 'man for man' part, because that's just not the case, as you've just said.
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right....we have better players in some areas and they have better players in some areas......though Im not counting Graham, as he hasn't played with them yet, so he cant really be factored into Wilson(or Seattles) past performance....
hence the 'now' part. I don't disagree that we're probably better in some areas than they, and vice versa, and overall roughly the same - just with the 'man for man' part, because that's just not the case, as you've just said.
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Agree... need to see Graham there.
Granted we don't have one RB to match Lynch's contribution, but we don't need one... Yardage-wise we got close with two rookies while Seattle's only other significant rusher was Wilson who ran for 2/3's of Lynch's total. Tougher to match Lynch's TDs and power, red-zone running, but we'll see what 2015 brings.
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... and this year should show that. If McCown has a good year, then would there be any doubt that Wilson would?
Wilson may be the ultimate game manager in the league and is perfectly content in that role. But he has the upside of being able to put a team on his back every once in a while and carry them to victory.
... and this year should show that. If McCown has a good year, then would there be any doubt that Wilson would?
Wilson may be the ultimate game manager in the league and is perfectly content in that role. But he has the upside of being able to put a team on his back every once in a while and carry them to victory.
The ultimate scenario would be Manziel assuming a Wilson-esque role here.
The small stature and maneuvarability behind the line similarities are there...everything else, though, needs to be refined.
Including fielding shotgun snaps.
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Too bad the only way in this days NFL to get a good QB is to draft him......
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Too bad the only way in this days NFL to get a good QB is to draft him......
Tell that to Denver, KC, GB, Oakland, Arizona, New Orleans.
Manning, Smith, Favre, Gannon, Warner and Brees are, or were, all pretty solid free agency or trade acquisitions.
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Manning is a good example. Smith I would argue with. The rest were almost 10 years ago. The trends in the league are ever evolving and for now, good pro quarterbacks are getting more scarce as the spread becomes more common in college, so people won't be nearly as willing to give them up as they have been in the past.
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Manning is a good example. Smith I would argue with. The rest were almost 10 years ago. The trends in the league are ever evolving and for now, good pro quarterbacks are getting more scarce as the spread becomes more common in college, so people won't be nearly as willing to give them up as they have been in the past.
Manning is a good example. Smith I would argue with. The rest were almost 10 years ago. The trends in the league are ever evolving and for now, good pro quarterbacks are getting more scarce as the spread becomes more common in college, so people won't be nearly as willing to give them up as they have been in the past.
Alternatively, might we see pro-offences running more of the spread, to get more out of the college QBs?
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Also, the Browns are basically modelled on the Seahawks. Not saying Crowell/West are Lynch, but we have a similarly built D, strong OL and rushing attack. He would do fine.
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Seattle D is a Hit and Stick defense that don't miss a tackle. Browns D must improve on Hit and Fall Off Tackling. Truth Hurts.
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