Michael Sam experiment over?
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He was the co SEC DPOY... but also not good at football. What?
I also enjoy the idea that gay people are allowed to be gay... As long as they don't tell anyone, don't show any public affection, and just generally don't do anything that shows them as gay... Right...
He was the co SEC DPOY... but also not good at football. What?
I also enjoy the idea that gay people are allowed to be gay... As long as they don't tell anyone, don't show any public affection, and just generally don't do anything that shows them as gay... Right...
well i guess the co-SEC DPOY equates to jack shit in the NFL, just like the heisman and theβ¦β¦β¦.
be gay all you want. just know how to shoot STRAIGHT when ISIS is rolling down your block.
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He was the co SEC DPOY... but also not good at football. What?
I also enjoy the idea that gay people are allowed to be gay... As long as they don't tell anyone, don't show any public affection, and just generally don't do anything that shows them as gay... Right...
He was the co SEC DPOY... but also not good at football. What?
I also enjoy the idea that gay people are allowed to be gay... As long as they don't tell anyone, don't show any public affection, and just generally don't do anything that shows them as gay... Right...
He was the SEC DPOY because he outperformed everyone else on a pretty stacked defensive line that year.
Look at his body of work and he's nothing special. Quick first step, below average speed and strength, average football intelligence.
I'm not discounting his 2013 year, he played very well. Except that's the only year he showed much of anything.
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What about the multitude of late round picks and UDFA's who don't stick on with a team and then quit after two years to pursue something else? Are they attempting to sue the league too? If your reasoning has nothing to do with the fact that Sam is homosexual, then clearly you must feel that way about all players who quit the game early. Cleve
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What? A lot of college players don't make it in the NFL. But I don't remember any of them attempting to glean
acceptance and special consideration from being gay. I say that, because he came out as gay, and as Mr. Hoorta
correctly explained, he was out there being interviewed about it, etc etc etc etc.
If he just wanted to be known as a football player, then why attempt to thrive off of coming out as gay? What
was the point? Exactly - he didn't really want to be known as a football player, he wanted to be known as
a Gay Football player. Pretty much the only reason I can figure, is that that notoriety brings with it discrimination lawsuit
possibilities. When he quit the canadian football team abruptly - it should be obvious that he really did not want
the chance to make it with the canadian football team. It isn't that hard to figure, Cleve.
So by releasing his sexual orientation and living as free a life as any straight, heterosexual male - he was attempting to "thrive" off of his position.
Got it.
What he should have done was say nothing, live in secret, let the media blow him up when they inevitably found out about his boyfriend, and then quit the league in shame.
"Then Quit the league in shame" ????So by releasing his sexual orientation and living as free a life as any straight, heterosexual male - he was attempting to "thrive" off of his position.
Got it.
What he should have done was say nothing, live in secret, let the media blow him up when they inevitably found out about his boyfriend, and then quit the league in shame.
HE quit the freaking CFL. Thats on HIM ! Not Montreal, not the NFL, not heterosexuals, not the media, not VH1, not Browns Board posters.He quit.
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Yup... but when your dream is to play in the NFL, the CFL might just be a bit of a let down.
The answer is yes. Do you recall tennis pro Renee Richards?
Excepting the fact that Renee had the surgery and Jenner still wants to "date" women? Perfect parallel...
According to multiple players, NFL franchises have been subtly asking for years if players were gay. They have not-so-subtly been conducting background checks for even longer.
All true, but surely you are not making the case that there has never been a gay player in the NFL...
He made the team....even if it was the PS.
And apparently as per the comments above, the league made a good faith effort and even tried to go out of their way to get him a roster spot. Can't sue them for trying.
These all are mitigating factors.
... and he's been cut from two teams. Not very mitigating...
As for the league lobbying for him... it's tantamount to them saying "we know you may not want him because he's gay, but..."
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Well, since I started it, can at least defend my snicker.......which has zero to do with his being gay, black, from the sec or anything else....
It's about the hypocrisy of his statements vs actions......and, I believe, using his "coming out" to generate guilt, publicity, income, etc
He DID come out through an exclusive(paid) interview with ESPN.....and timed it leading upto the draft. I sensed right then that he was challenging or daring teams NOT to draft him (implied discrimination prior to it occurring??).....then said....
"but I dont want to be identified as a gay NFL player, just an NFL player"
Then signs a deal to go on Oprah to discuss how he wishes people would stop discussing him because.... I dont want to be identified as a gay NFL player, just an NFL player....
Then signs a deal to do a 1-1/2 hour documentary movie about him growing up and dealing with his sexuality.....but still saying... I dont want to be identified as a gay NFL player, just an NFL player
Then signs a deal to do his own reality show(based upon a gay man trying to make it in the NFL) ....it was nixed......but through this he was still saying..... I dont want to be identified as a gay NFL player, just an NFL player
Then gets drafted and doesnt make the team and literally says it was because he was gay. He did eventually retract that, but still says nothing will stop him and he will work harder and will be back. He's driven to prove people wrong.
So, when invited to the next combine, he shows up out of shape and unprepared.....but claims he WILL work harder(next time) and be playing football this year in either the NFL or Cfl........with the draft a month away and team camps 2 months away, its the perfect time to get ready....soooooooo 1 week later he....
...signs on with Dancing With The Stars??...wtf???......and THEN accepts an offer from Montreal, but has to come late because of his TV commitment.....but says football is his dream and he is 100% committed(after DWTS that is)....
Then shows up to camp late....and outta shape....and performs terribly. Though he says he will work twice as hard to get upto speed and help the team win a championship.....and even said "you would have to chop my legs off to prevent me from playing".......
Then.....2 weeks later.....he quit.....
So....there is my perspective....Ive never liked quitters or talkers(especially when they dont back it up) and Im completely bothered by people who act the victim when they aren;t..........and "look at me" media babies(just one of those things with me) and Sam rings these bell in everyway.....
So...yeah.....(snicker snicker)......and NOT because he's gay..... Ive said the exact same about guys like Tebow, Johnny, Lynch etc....
Well, since I started it, can at least defend my snicker.......which has zero to do with his being gay, black, from the sec or anything else....
It's about the hypocrisy of his statements vs actions......and, I believe, using his "coming out" to generate guilt, publicity, income, etc
Well written...
Still could be that he has just been beaten down.
That an overachiever at the collegiate level cannot will himself to success at the next level... and he knows it.
That try as he might the fire is out and all that is left are his words.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Yup... but when your dream is to play in the NFL, the CFL might just be a bit of a let down.
The answer is yes. Do you recall tennis pro Renee Richards?
Excepting the fact that Renee had the surgery and Jenner still wants to "date" women? Perfect parallel...
According to multiple players, NFL franchises have been subtly asking for years if players were gay. They have not-so-subtly been conducting background checks for even longer.
All true, but surely you are not making the case that there has never been a gay player in the NFL...
He made the team....even if it was the PS.
And apparently as per the comments above, the league made a good faith effort and even tried to go out of their way to get him a roster spot. Can't sue them for trying.
These all are mitigating factors.
... and he's been cut from two teams. Not very mitigating...
As for the league lobbying for him... it's tantamount to them saying "we know you may not want him because he's gay, but..."
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"Then Quit the league in shame" ????So by releasing his sexual orientation and living as free a life as any straight, heterosexual male - he was attempting to "thrive" off of his position.
Got it.
What he should have done was say nothing, live in secret, let the media blow him up when they inevitably found out about his boyfriend, and then quit the league in shame.
HE quit the freaking CFL. Thats on HIM ! Not Montreal, not the NFL, not heterosexuals, not the media, not VH1, not Browns Board posters.He quit.
"Then Quit the league in shame" ????
HE quit the freaking CFL. Thats on HIM ! Not Montreal, not the NFL, not heterosexuals, not the media, not VH1, not Browns Board posters.He quit.
Well, again, it was reported that he left the team for personal reasons.....that could imply that if he gets those personal issues straight...that he could be back.
(of course....maybe those "personal issues" were that other members of the Alouettes are not as tolerant of his sexual orientation...and made him aware of it. That is pure speculation).
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ll true, but surely you are not making the case that there has never been a gay player in the NFL...
... and he's been cut from two teams. Not very mitigating...
As for the league lobbying for him... it's tantamount to them saying "we know you may not want him because he's gay, but..."
It IS mitigating that before he was cut....he was signed. So he cannot claim that he wasn't given a chance by NFL teams.
I think it is clear that he was cut for football reasons....and that is not a winning legal argument for him.
(besides FYI.....most anti-discrimination laws do NOT recognize sexual preference as a protected status!)
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Yup... but when your dream is to play in the NFL, the CFL might just be a bit of a let down.
The answer is yes. Do you recall tennis pro Renee Richards?
Excepting the fact that Renee had the surgery and Jenner still wants to "date" women? Perfect parallel...
According to multiple players, NFL franchises have been subtly asking for years if players were gay. They have not-so-subtly been conducting background checks for even longer.
All true, but surely you are not making the case that there has never been a gay player in the NFL...
He made the team....even if it was the PS.
And apparently as per the comments above, the league made a good faith effort and even tried to go out of their way to get him a roster spot. Can't sue them for trying.
These all are mitigating factors.
... and he's been cut from two teams. Not very mitigating...
As for the league lobbying for him... it's tantamount to them saying "we know you may not want him because he's gay, but..."
Yup... but when your dream is to play in the NFL, the CFL might just be a bit of a let down.
Excepting the fact that Renee had the surgery and Jenner still wants to "date" women? Perfect parallel...
All true, but surely you are not making the case that there has never been a gay player in the NFL...
... and he's been cut from two teams. Not very mitigating...
As for the league lobbying for him... it's tantamount to them saying "we know you may not want him because he's gay, but..."
I am not. But all of them have had to live in hiding. Sam said himself that multiple players reached out to him but we're still afraid to come out of the closet.
There are gay players in the NFL. They didn't rape their teammates. They didn't infect the locker room and turn the rest of the team gay. The fear of many - that a gay person will change the culture of a team - is irrational.
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Nope nope nope.
That one guy from Texas posted on here and said there were no gays in the NFL. It is too manly. He must be right. Yeah...
And I never said being the co SEC DPOY means you have to be good in the NFL. It just means you obviously don't suck, as some on here have said
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It's quite hilarious how butthurt you are over that comment.
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It's quite hilarious how butthurt you are over that comment.
Rub a little ointment on that hurt butt:
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The butthurtheaded woodpecker
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Every kids dream that play and love the game is to make it to the NFL. Not CFL nor Arena. He states he has a personal problem and I say the dream is it. The rest of his stuff does not matter at this point except his fire inside to make his dream. Good Luck.. Gay or Not He's a Human in our society.
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It's quite hilarious how butthurt you are over that comment.
Sometimes when I read a poster's very, very idiotic comment it sticks with me.
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"Then Quit the league in shame" ????
HE quit the freaking CFL. Thats on HIM ! Not Montreal, not the NFL, not heterosexuals, not the media, not VH1, not Browns Board posters.He quit.
Well, again, it was reported that he left the team for personal reasons.....that could imply that if he gets those personal issues straight...that he could be back.
(of course....maybe those "personal issues" were that other members of the Alouettes are not as tolerant of his sexual orientation...and made him aware of it. That is pure speculation).
Well, again, it was reported that he left the team for personal reasons.....that could imply that if he gets those personal issues straight...that he could be back.
(of course....maybe those "personal issues" were that other members of the Alouettes are not as tolerant of his sexual orientation...and made him aware of it. That is pure speculation).
Yes. Pure speculation. Whats not speculation is he quit. People will over look alot if you help them win. Seriously, if he wasn't just a marginal player but a beast at LB, gay or not, NOBODY would cut him. If he let teammates get in his head to the point of walking away imagine what the opposing players will do to him.
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The answer is yes. Do you recall tennis pro Renee Richards?
Thanks for jogging my ever increasing feeble memory- forgot about that one.
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I hope Mr Couch will take the above as pretty objective evidence that Sams WAS using his sexual orientation to make a buck off of it.
& to a certain extent- I do agree with Cal- Sams was itching to file a sexual discrimination lawsuit if no team had drafted him. The NFL ought to be ashamed they bent over backwards to get Sams a new team after he was cut.
I dunno- now we have Catlin Jenner- the world just keeps on getting crazier every year. Is she eligible for the women's senior Olympics?
The problem with this reasoning is the same problem with Cal's - it's inferring that the interview, and the whole scenario itself, was a money grab. What gives you that information? Why is the automatic assumption that it was solely a money-backed decision and not just a PR move?
According to multiple players, NFL franchises have been subtly asking for years if players were gay. They have not-so-subtly been conducting background checks for even longer. Sam had come out to his team before the 2013 season and, according to every report I've read thus far, experienced no animosity whatsoever. He went on to have the best season of his career by far and was named the SEC DPOY - all with a team that was fully aware of his sexual preferences. If an NFL team were to conduct a background check, there's no doubt that it would surface that Sam was gay. Then he'd face the problem of looking like he was afraid to release his sexual preference, which would call his personal character into question and no doubt he'd receive negative attention from both the straight and gay communities.
However, by getting out in front of it, he controlled the situation. It was a PR move, plain and simple.
What would you rather have had him do? Come out after the draft? Not come out at all?
Rumors began circulating that Kerry Rhodes was gay in 2013, which he adamantly denied - he never played another snap in the NFL despite having a decent on-field track record.
The problem with this reasoning is the same problem with Cal's - it's inferring that the interview, and the whole scenario itself, was a money grab. What gives you that information? Why is the automatic assumption that it was solely a money-backed decision and not just a PR move?
However, by getting out in front of it, he controlled the situation. It was a PR move, plain and simple.
What would you rather have had him do? Come out after the draft? Not come out at all?
Rumors began circulating that Kerry Rhodes was gay in 2013, which he adamantly denied - he never played another snap in the NFL despite having a decent on-field track record.
OK- we don't know what his true intention was TC- but we're sure entitled to have an OPINION about what his intention was.
So by releasing his sexual orientation and living as free a life as any straight, heterosexual male - he was attempting to "thrive" off of his position.
Got it.
What he should have done was say nothing, live in secret, let the media blow him up when they inevitably found out about his boyfriend, and then quit the league in shame.
I think it's been stated- there are already Gay guys playing in the NFL. Funny there aren't any major reports about their significant others. Sams made an issue out of it. That on him, and the (ahem Liberal) media made a circus out of it- not totally unlike how Manziel created his personal media monster.
And I think you're underestimating the degree of tolerance (in general) society has of the gay population. There's a difference between tolerance- and acceptance. Problem is- if you can't accept the 2% ( or 0.01%) of the population that thinks this is "normal" behavior- then you must be weird. Catlin thinks so.
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