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  • @oldbrownsfan said:

    As the schools have taught the theory of evolution as a fact instead of a theory it has done nothing but destroy faith. It has helped nobody but destroyed the faith of millions. It is not surprising that many become atheists when they are taught by the government schools and media that they are nothing more than evolved pond scum.

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    @gftchris said:

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    As the schools have taught the theory of evolution as a fact instead of a theory it has done nothing but destroy faith. It has helped nobody but destroyed the faith of millions. It is not surprising that many become atheists when they are taught by the government schools and media that they are nothing more than evolved pond scum.

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    I shouldn't really even be surprised anymore...

  • We go through this every month or two, the difference between 'theory' in common parlance, and 'theory' in the scientific world. Do I really need to explain it again?

    @gftchris said:

    We go through this every month or two, the difference between 'theory' in common parlance, and 'theory' in the scientific world. Do I really need to explain it again?

    Are they really going to have to repeat the 7th grade again?

  • Well, woodyPECKERHEAD, read on. BTW, are you and Chris going to always

    agree? Let me know so I can decide whether or not Chris is a freakin birdbrain like you are.

    http://www.livescience.com/21491-what-is-a-scientific-theory-definition-of-theory.html

  • "The way that scientists use the word 'theory' is a little different than how it is commonly used in the lay public," said Jaime Tanner, a professor of biology at Marlboro College. "Most people use the word 'theory' to mean an idea or hunch that someone has, but insciencelb_icon1.png the word 'theory' refers to the way that we interpret facts."

    "Every scientific theory starts as a hypothesis. According to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary, a hypothesis is an idea that hasn't been proven yet. If enough evidence accumulates to support a hypothesis, it moves to the next step — known as a theory — in the scientific method and becomes accepted as a valid explanation of a phenomenon. "

    "Any scientific theory must be based on a careful and rational examination of the facts. Facts and theories are two different things. In the scientific method, there is a clear distinction between facts, which can be observed and/or measured, and theories, which are scientists’ explanations and interpretations of the facts. "

    "The evolution of a scientific theory

    A scientific theory is not the end result of the scientific method; theories can be proven or rejected, just like hypotheses. Theories can be improved or modified as more information is gathered so that the accuracy of the prediction becomes greater over time.

    Theories are foundations for furthering scientific knowledge and for putting the information gathered to practical use. Scientists use theories to develop inventions or find a cure for a diseaseicon1.png.

    Some believe that theories become laws, but theories and laws have separate and distinct roles in the scientific method. A law is a description of an observed phenomenon that hold true every time it is tested. It doesn't explain why something is true; it just states that it is true. A theory, on the other hand, explains observations that are gathered during the scientific process. So, while law and theory are part of the scientific process, they are two very different aspects, according to the National Science Teachers Association. "

  • If the theory of evolution destroys your faith, than you didn't have particularly strong faith to begin with. I myself even though not religious have suspicions about having been evolved from monkeys but for reasons other than Christians that I'm not going to get into. If it were infact true that genetically our species evolved from some other previous form or another, yeah I don't care...wouldn't give two fucks over it. Has zero impact on my plans when I leave this dump.

  • If the theory of evolution destroys your faith, than you didn't have particularly strong faith to begin with. I myself even though not religious have suspicions about having been evolved from monkeys but for reasons other than Christians that I'm not going to get into. If it were infact true that genetically our species evolved from some other previous form or another, yeah I don't care...wouldn't give two fucks over it. Has zero impact on my plans when I leave this dump.

    @clevfan4life said:

    If the theory of evolution destroys your faith, than you didn't have particularly strong faith to begin with. I myself even though not religious have suspicions about having been evolved from monkeys but for reasons other than Christians that I'm not going to get into. If it were infact true that genetically our species evolved from some other previous form or another, yeah I don't care...wouldn't give two fucks over it. Has zero impact on my plans when I leave this dump.

    I'd be interested to hear what your suspicions were.

  • @clevfan4life said:

    If the theory of evolution destroys your faith, than you didn't have particularly strong faith to begin with. I myself even though not religious have suspicions about having been evolved from monkeys but for reasons other than Christians that I'm not going to get into. If it were infact true that genetically our species evolved from some other previous form or another, yeah I don't care...wouldn't give two fucks over it. Has zero impact on my plans when I leave this dump.

    I'd be interested to hear what your suspicions were.

    @gftchris said:

    I'd be interested to hear what your suspicions were.

    meh too convoluted. Some of it's based on gut spiritual instincts of mine that I've had since I was a little kid. Would be hard to follow is what i'm saying.

  • Therefore, we can draw a few conclusions:

    A. mmgw is not a valid collection of all data that is pertinent. Some of it has been ignored in the

    race to say we have to act dramatically on a "crisis".

    B. Liberals love to refer, bassackwardsly, to mmgw as a "law". But as we keep saying, it

    is a THEORY - a hypothesis that has facts to back it up. However, there is concern

    that there are facts that also do NOT back it up. There you have controvsery, even within

    the scientific community.

    C. mmgw is no absolute truth. Liberals WANT it to be, and DEMAND that it be accepted as such,

    but the truth is, when you use mmgw as an abolute truth.."law", then you have to change that

    when you see that CO2 levels have been rising over ten years that the temp has not been climbing.

    D. So, liberals change definitions of words to try to justify their emotional nonsense. They use "theory"

    as "hypothesis",,,,, and then they use mmgw as a "law". But it has been proven to not be always true.

    So, just once, the Chrises and and woodpeckerheads can drop the act. It is only a theory, which means

    it is NOT A FREAKING LAW, as in "ABSOLUTE TRUTH".

  • E. So, clearly, when something is a theory in the scientific method, it

    is clearly NOT a FACT, or "LAW". And, it is NOT the end of the scientific method.

    It has facts to justify it, but the question is, what about the evidence that

    it is not true?

    What about the "enough evidence" part? There has been concocted evidence, mistaken

    evidence, and ignored evidence.

    That is the scientific method Chris and woodypeckerhead want to go with? really?

    And we are suppose to dramatically give liberals the power to tax and fee and rule because of it?

    Not buyin it at all.

  • E. So, clearly, when something is a theory in the scientific method, it

    is clearly NOT a FACT, or "LAW". And, it is NOT the end of the scientific method.

    It has facts to justify it, but the question is, what about the evidence that

    it is not true?

    What about the "enough evidence" part? There has been concocted evidence, mistaken

    evidence, and ignored evidence.

    That is the scientific method Chris and woodypeckerhead want to go with? really?

    And we are suppose to dramatically give liberals the power to tax and fee and rule because of it?

    Not buyin it at all.

    @calfoxwc said:

    E. So, clearly, when something is a theory in the scientific method, it

    is clearly NOT a FACT, or "LAW". And, it is NOT the end of the scientific method.

    It has facts to justify it, but the question is, what about the evidence that

    it is not true?

    What about the "enough evidence" part? There has been concocted evidence, mistaken

    evidence, and ignored evidence.

    That is the scientific method Chris and woodypeckerhead want to go with? really?

    And we are suppose to dramatically give liberals the power to tax and fee and rule because of it?

    Not buyin it at all.

    Who or what would you go with cal? What is your alternative to the the scientific method?

  • Who or what would you go with cal? What is your alternative to the the scientific method Sad

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    Never said I had any alternative to the scientific method. I'm saying that the

    scientific method does not end with the observation about selected facts, as is

    the case with mmgw.

    So, how can the observation that CO2 is a greenhouse gas that is directly causing mmgw?

    When CO2 has been climbing, and the global temp hasn't for over ten years?

    Where is the justification for dramatic ACTION, sacrifices, and UN admitted global redistribution of wealth...

    when all it is ...is a freakin THEORY? Sure, not a hypothesis, but NOT a law.

    Chris and woody and others, and those in the political arena, and the UN, keep demanding

    that it be acceptance as being a LAW, which it most certainly is not.

    The mmgw theory hasn't been proven to be a law, and there is conflicting evidence to prove

    that the mmgw observation has serious flaws.

  • If the theory of evolution destroys your faith, than you didn't have particularly strong faith to begin with. I myself even though not religious have suspicions about having been evolved from monkeys but for reasons other than Christians that I'm not going to get into. If it were infact true that genetically our species evolved from some other previous form or another, yeah I don't care...wouldn't give two fucks over it. Has zero impact on my plans when I leave this dump.

    @clevfan4life said:

    If the theory of evolution destroys your faith, than you didn't have particularly strong faith to begin with. I myself even though not religious have suspicions about having been evolved from monkeys but for reasons other than Christians that I'm not going to get into. If it were infact true that genetically our species evolved from some other previous form or another, yeah I don't care...wouldn't give two fucks over it. Has zero impact on my plans when I leave this dump.

    Not my faith. I am speaking of students who have been indoctrinated in our government schools with a theory they teach like a fact. Why can't creationism be taught side by side if neither side can be proved?

  • Who or what would you go with cal? What is your alternative to the the scientific method Sad

    **********************************************************

    Never said I had any alternative to the scientific method. I'm saying that the

    scientific method does not end with the observation about selected facts, as is

    the case with mmgw.

    So, how can the observation that CO2 is a greenhouse gas that is directly causing mmgw?

    When CO2 has been climbing, and the global temp hasn't for over ten years?

    Where is the justification for dramatic ACTION, sacrifices, and UN admitted global redistribution of wealth...

    when all it is ...is a freakin THEORY? Sure, not a hypothesis, but NOT a law.

    Chris and woody and others, and those in the political arena, and the UN, keep demanding

    that it be acceptance as being a LAW, which it most certainly is not.

    The mmgw theory hasn't been proven to be a law, and there is conflicting evidence to prove

    that the mmgw observation has serious flaws.

    @calfoxwc said:

    Who or what would you go with cal? What is your alternative to the the scientific method Sad

    **********************************************************

    Never said I had any alternative to the scientific method. I'm saying that the

    scientific method does not end with the observation about selected facts, as is

    the case with mmgw.

    So, how can the observation that CO2 is a greenhouse gas that is directly causing mmgw?

    When CO2 has been climbing, and the global temp hasn't for over ten years?

    Wait what? The Global Temps are currently the highest in history and we have not had a below average year in decades......You or a scientist could argue the level of effect that one aspect has on the the rise in temperatures(such as man made vs natural) but temps are on the raise.

  • @clevfan4life said:

    If the theory of evolution destroys your faith, than you didn't have particularly strong faith to begin with. I myself even though not religious have suspicions about having been evolved from monkeys but for reasons other than Christians that I'm not going to get into. If it were infact true that genetically our species evolved from some other previous form or another, yeah I don't care...wouldn't give two fucks over it. Has zero impact on my plans when I leave this dump.

    Not my faith. I am speaking of students who have been indoctrinated in our government schools with a theory they teach like a fact. Why can't creationism be taught side by side if neither side can be proved?

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    Not my faith. I am speaking of students who have been indoctrinated in our government schools with a theory they teach like a fact. Why can't creationism be taught side by side if neither side can be proved?

    Who decides which creationism myth should be taught?

  • @clevfan4life said:

    If the theory of evolution destroys your faith, than you didn't have particularly strong faith to begin with. I myself even though not religious have suspicions about having been evolved from monkeys but for reasons other than Christians that I'm not going to get into. If it were infact true that genetically our species evolved from some other previous form or another, yeah I don't care...wouldn't give two fucks over it. Has zero impact on my plans when I leave this dump.

    Not my faith. I am speaking of students who have been indoctrinated in our government schools with a theory they teach like a fact. Why can't creationism be taught side by side if neither side can be proved?

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    Not my faith. I am speaking of students who have been indoctrinated in our government schools with a theory they teach like a fact. Why can't creationism be taught side by side if neither side can be proved?

    So you are saying there is equal evidence for creationism as there is for evolution?

  • Why am I even asking? You believe that a guy lived a whale.

  • @calfoxwc said:

    Who or what would you go with cal? What is your alternative to the the scientific method Sad

    **********************************************************

    Never said I had any alternative to the scientific method. I'm saying that the

    scientific method does not end with the observation about selected facts, as is

    the case with mmgw.

    So, how can the observation that CO2 is a greenhouse gas that is directly causing mmgw?

    When CO2 has been climbing, and the global temp hasn't for over ten years?

    Wait what? The Global Temps are currently the highest in history and we have not had a below average year in decades......You or a scientist could argue the level of effect that one aspect has on the the rise in temperatures(such as man made vs natural) but temps are on the raise.

    @sadbrownsfan said:

    Wait what? The Global Temps are currently the highest in history and we have not had a below average year in decades......You or a scientist could argue the level of effect that one aspect has on the the rise in temperatures(such as man made vs natural) but temps are on the raise.

    Prepare for Cal to argue in circles, quoting clearly biased websites as a source for his argument.

  • Obama's climate change hypocrisy highlights lack of faith

    "Heading down to DC to catch an #EarthDay flight on Air Force One tomorrow with the President," popular scientist Bill Nye tweeted out ahead of yesterday's Earth Day celebration. "We're going to #ActOnClimate."

    Indeed, Nye and President Obama "acted on" the climate on their 1,836-mile round-trip flight to the Everglades. They emitted five times as much carbon in one day as the average American emits over the course of a year.

    No, Nye's and Obama's climate hypocrisy does not falsify any scientific theory about global climate change. But it does highlight a lack of faith among those who would demand sacrifices from their fellow man to avert the supposed disaster they predict. That same lack of faith is evident in anyone connected to the electrical grid and using a computer to read these very words.

    Most Americans agree that human activity has contributed to an increase in carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere, and that this has caused some increase in global temperatures. This is the reality to which the oft-cited scientific consensus applies. There is far less consensus as to what and how bad the effects of this warming will be.

    Hence the failure of every climate model to track the rise in temperatures and their current pause. Hence the almost-daily crackpot amateur theories about every weather event being caused by global warming — including snow, cold, and the recent record-high levels of Antarctic sea ice.

    In the meantime, Americans are told to fear for the world's future, even as every manner of airhead celebrity gallivants across the country in a carbon-guzzling private jet to decry the dangers of global warming. Even so, no one is proposing or indeed can propose a carbon-reduction policy that avoids environmental catastrophe without causing a far greater greater economic catastrophe.

    To take the extreme example, the United States could simply eliminate all carbon-generating sources of energy overnight — in the process leaving hundreds of millions of souls without any means to feed themselves. Yet even if this drastic policy were adopted today, carbon emission increases in the developing world would still fully replace this nation's annual carbon output by roughly 2020. And the United States possesses neither the moral authority nor willingness to make demands of the world's poor — Obama, supposedly a "green" politician, just made a non-binding climate agreement allowing China to increase its carbon emissions without limit until 2030.

    There is thus no policy of reduced energy use that holds forth any hope for humanity, if the doom-sayers are to be believed. The only remaining future, therefore, aside from an uninhabitable planet, is technological innovation. And only society with access to immense amounts of energy will ever possess the economic vitality needed to bring it about.

    Radical environmentalists have laid out before Americans a game so hopeless that it cannot be won with any play they advocate. The Hail Mary pass is all that is left. It could come in the form of safer nuclear power, or perhaps a profitable agricultural or manufactured product that traps large quantities of atmospheric carbon, or all of the above — or something no one has yet conceived of.

    Or who knows, maybe the warming won't actually be so bad after all. Obama and Nye must tacitly understand this. Otherwise, they would have made other travel arrangements.

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/obamas-climate-change-hypocrisy-highlights-lack-of-faith/article/2563467

  • @sadbrownsfan said:

    Wait what? The Global Temps are currently the highest in history and we have not had a below average year in decades......You or a scientist could argue the level of effect that one aspect has on the the rise in temperatures(such as man made vs natural) but temps are on the raise.

    Prepare for Cal to argue in circles, quoting clearly biased websites as a source for his argument.

    @logicisforsquares said:

    Prepare for Cal to argue in circles, quoting clearly biased websites as a source for his argument.

    Yeah... I full expect a response of 3 links from a google search incoming.

  • Why am I even asking? You believe that a guy lived a whale.

    @logicisforsquares said:

    Why am I even asking? You believe that a guy lived a whale.

    So did Jesus so I am in good company.