Jonathan Paul Manziel
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Well, we finally heard from Johnny for the first time since last December....
There were really no surprises....and also no disclosures.
Just a lot of the exact same talk we've been hearing....working hard, keeping low, etc...
I will say he sounded pretty resolute and firm that his private life is private...he wont discuss it....and he's tired of it being such a distraction....and is firm that he is doing everything in his power just to be a good teammate....learn to be a QB.....and eliminate the type of negativity he has brought to the organization...
Sounds like he likes McCown too.....a lot less tension in the room with Josh and the lack of an open competition.....compared to last year, the pressures off, so to speak.
One revelation????.......he has retired the money sign and we will NOT see it in the future....HA!
We will see how it translates to the field.
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
No we wont, because he wont see the field.
Could be right...i'm not convinced that McCown is the answer to us having a great season. Maybe he will be. I think the Johnny Manziel from A&M gives us the best chance to win. Not sure if we'll ever see that guy though.
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Just a little side note. Texas A&M's other Heisman winner and one time Cleveland Browns assistant coach, John David Crow, passed away Wed. night at age 79. He was a 4 time Pro bowler and in the age of Jim Brown actually had two 1000 yard seasons as a pro halfback.
http://www.kbtx.com/home/headlines/John-David-Crow-Passes-Away-at-79-308180591.html
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Just a little side note. Texas A&M's other Heisman winner and one time Cleveland Browns assistant coach, John David Crow, passed away Wed. night at age 79. He was a 4 time Pro bowler and in the age of Jim Brown actually had two 1000 yard seasons as a pro halfback.
http://www.kbtx.com/home/headlines/John-David-Crow-Passes-Away-at-79-308180591.html
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Decent read from Dallas' Tim Cowlishaw of ESPN's Around the Horn "fame" addressing the JM paradox I have mentioned on a few occasions around here...
Cowlishaw: Johnny Manziel should make lifestyle changes, but he needs to keep his cockiness
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Decent read from Dallas' Tim Cowlishaw of ESPN's Around the Horn "fame" addressing the JM paradox I have mentioned on a few occasions around here...
Cowlishaw: Johnny Manziel should make lifestyle changes, but he needs to keep his cockiness
Decent read from Dallas' Tim Cowlishaw of ESPN's Around the Horn "fame" addressing the JM paradox I have mentioned on a few occasions around here...
Cowlishaw: Johnny Manziel should make lifestyle changes, but he needs to keep his cockiness
Appreciate you sharing that. Good article behind a great pov. I liked his parallel to Fran Tarkenton in many ways. Tarkenton wasn't compatible with former HC and NFL QB Norm Van Brocklin's system like he was when Bud Grant was Minnesota's HC. This type of QB requires the right understanding of what he is and how he's wired to succeed. Van Brocklin wanted to Dr Frankenstein Tarkenton into his Minnie Me. I bounce back and forth between similarities to Tarkenton and the younger version of Brett Favre. There were a lot of unknowns about Favre coming out of high school because his dad used him as a QB that rushed for over 3500 yards in his high school career. That being the case, Favre goes to So Miss than ran an offense like the Veer Option. Along the way, there was also frat boy party animal that almost cost him his life and his football career at the very least. Luck was on his side and he was granted additional chances to succeed. Favre came into a game and erased a big deficit with his arm of all things. Who knew? Not even sure his own dad knew based on the way he preferred to use Brett. I've read up on his rookie year in Atlanta, and it looked like his preference to party was beating his understanding of why Atlanta was the first team interested in drafting him. Lucky for him, GB was willing to surround him with the right people and get a support group in tact while Favre could look to his inner-strength and beat his demons. Good thing; because the vicodin addiction that came later - re-exposed his vulnerability as a human being. Surroundings can be make or break with an addictive personality so it was good to see him beat those demons. He's said a couple times he sees a lot of himself in Manziel. That has include the important cocky quality you spoke of as well as the wonderment many had about whether or not his game transfers over to the NFL level in spite of where they were drafted.
Along the same lines, do you know what I remember most about Brian Sipe? There were times even during his MVP season he had an ugly first 58 minutes he would completely erase in a 2 minute magic show at the end. Anytime we were down with only 2 minutes to go with no margin of error remaining - he got really cocky in a good way. It was almost like he reminded himself right then and there of everyone that ever told him or printed "don't even bother - you only have 13th round arm strength." That extent/level of adversity sure brought out the best in him. The frequency of late game hocus pocus gave us our first version of Kardiac Kids. It's sad the only time we see highlights of him any more was on the 1 day the wind chills were double digits below zero; and Don Cockroft's FG range in warmups was really bad into the teeth of the wind. Dan Fouts' frigid winter visit to Cincy went a lot worse in every way; but that rarely ever gets replayed.
The first impression I had of Manziel was watching what that cocky attitude could accomplish against the mind of Nick Saban, National Championship talent and Bama's home field advantage. I was tuning in primarily to see what all the hype was about and ended up totally mesmerized and intrigued for more. How many college QBs were wired to do that? That author was right on the money to bring up how well Manziel did vrs Bama both times. IMO, it's nice for Manziel to see QBs like Tarkenton and Favre in the sense that success didn't come until after there was early failure and disappointment. He's going to need the same self confidence that Tarkenton and Favre tapped to rise above what held them back. Sipe was no different in terms of where he came from to earning League MVP. These guys defined themselves through adversity. Wouldn't that really be something if Manziel did the same thing?
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Johnny is where he needs to be...with a Browns' organization that cares about him & has the patience to see this through. Since rehab, I think HE has that patience as well.
I don't know how soon, but I still think the kid's gonna be a good one. He's got guts.
Mike
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Johnny is where he needs to be...with a Browns' organization that cares about him & has the patience to see this through. Since rehab, I think HE has that patience as well.
I don't know how soon, but I still think the kid's gonna be a good one. He's got guts.
Mike
Johnny is where he needs to be...with a Browns' organization that cares about him & has the patience to see this through. Since rehab, I think HE has that patience as well.
I don't know how soon, but I still think the kid's gonna be a good one. He's got guts.
Mike
and Roger agrees with you.
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Johnny is where he needs to be...with a Browns' organization that cares about him & has the patience to see this through. Since rehab, I think HE has that patience as well.
I don't know how soon, but I still think the kid's gonna be a good one. He's got guts.
Mike
Johnny is where he needs to be...with a Browns' organization that cares about him & has the patience to see this through. Since rehab, I think HE has that patience as well.
I don't know how soon, but I still think the kid's gonna be a good one. He's got guts.
Mike
I agree Mike. I also believe in the tough love discipline of Coach Pettine and Manziel is not going to be coddled by these coaches. I disagree with what the writer of that article Tour posted is saying though. I was glad to see Manziel say he was dropping the money sign. The cockiness is not necessary. The only thing that matters is his play on the field, that other stuff is a distraction. He needed to develop a good work ethic and focus on his job of developing into an NFL qb which he is doing now. I like what I see from him after rehab and he doesn't need to look back or change a thing. That money sign and cockiness will not earn him any respect in the league IMO but his play on the field will.
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http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/06/johnny-manziel-inks-new-partnership-with-daily-fantasy-sports-site
Another positive step for JM. The money he wins goes to a childhood cancer fund. In case you did not know, that is what the yellow wrist band he wears is all about. Name of a little boy with childhood cancer that he has befriended since early college years.
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I posted that Manziel's play on the field is what will bring him respect but doing things like this off the field will earn him respect as well. It does with me.
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We know Johnny can run. Is he an NFL caliber passer?
At times he's a very good passer. Dude needs serious coaching because he does have talent. Just giving up on him after a couple shitty starts seems fucked. Give him a stretch of failure, then dismiss him. Ignore the hype for now.
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We know Johnny can run. Is he an NFL caliber passer?
At times he's a very good passer. Dude needs serious coaching because he does have talent. Just giving up on him after a couple shitty starts seems fucked. Give him a stretch of failure, then dismiss him. Ignore the hype for now.
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Ignore the hype for now.
What hype??
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We know Johnny can run. Is he an NFL caliber passer?
At times he's a very good passer. Dude needs serious coaching because he does have talent. Just giving up on him after a couple shitty starts seems fucked. Give him a stretch of failure, then dismiss him. Ignore the hype for now.
We know Johnny can run. Is he an NFL caliber passer?
At times he's a very good passer. Dude needs serious coaching because he does have talent. Just giving up on him after a couple shitty starts seems fucked. Give him a stretch of failure, then dismiss him. Ignore the hype for now.
Good points.
Here's the hocus pocus from Mike Pettine that made the hype disappear: "Josh McCown is the clearcut starter today." On top of that, Johnny's been extremely media-boring doing professional things like studying film, working out and being at the facility all day in Berea. That's snooze & that's news.
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We know Johnny can run. Is he an NFL caliber passer?
At times he's a very good passer. Dude needs serious coaching because he does have talent. Just giving up on him after a couple shitty starts seems fucked. Give him a stretch of failure, then dismiss him. Ignore the hype for now.
Good points.
Here's the hocus pocus from Mike Pettine that made the hype disappear: "Josh McCown is the clearcut starter today." On top of that, Johnny's been extremely media-boring doing professional things like studying film, working out and being at the facility all day in Berea. That's snooze & that's news.
Good points.
Here's the hocus pocus from Mike Pettine that made the hype disappear: "Josh McCown is the clearcut starter today." On top of that, Johnny's been extremely media-boring doing professional things like studying film, working out and being at the facility all day in Berea. That's snooze & that's news.
Yep, have not seen him doing any scenes from that ballet Swan Lake.
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The contrast with 2014 is stark to say the least. It will be interesting to see if the work translates to the field...
And the cool thing is that August 13th is not that far away. I cannot recall an offseason that flew by as quickly as this one has/ is.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
While I have no problem with a certain level of cockiness from my QB, it's important to remember
that there is a fine line between cockiness and douchebaggery.
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