Rucker/Hubbard
-
@jadbf said:
See this is where I say you have trouble understand the comparisons, and maybe you need to read a little slower.I never compared Hubbard to Tiger Woods.
I compared the PROCESS Tiger Woods goes through to make himself beter to the PROCESS that might be used to make a reciever like Hubbard a better reciever.
And my point was, If the BEST GOLFER IN THE HISTORY of the game can still strive to become better at something and still improve his game. Why can't a below average reciever like Hubbard improve his catching ability?
I guess you can't read at all then...let me cut and paste so you can try....
I'm not talking about improving...sure anyone can improve.....but this is the NFL. It's littered with guys that were good enough to get there but you have to be good at catching to stay. MLB Baseball is littered with guys who could hit fastballs but never the curve. At the elite level...you got it or you don't. sooo funny
and:
if you can't do it by the time they get to the pros........you won't ever do it? and
:Look...you call me dense....I 've given you 5 different examples of how you can improve yet not have "it". I talking about Hubbard and him being "taught" to catch at this stage of his career at his Talent level...
Going off what you guys said...let's bring back Quincy Morgan....ha ha ha...we can teach him. Let's coach em up!!!
Yes you can strive to become better...that is the nature of Man for the most part.... at some point early on you are going to be tiger woods or larry Fitzgerald.... and not me.
Good on ya hubbard...I'm sure you will improve but give me back Lance Moore!
-
Solon...I find your comments kind of funny. You are saying he should have been a finished product coming into the NFL...that all his YEARS OF EXPERIENCE should have him ready to go and not need any coaching.
Here are the facts:
He was only a 2 year starter at Wisconsin...and his second year he was limited to only 8 games. So he only has about 20 games of COLLEGE EXPERIENCE...not exactly a FINISHED PRODUCT.
He was also touted as a RAW PROSPECT (due to the above) in that he is an exceptional athlete (4.38 40, 39.5" vertical, 10'6" long jump) that needed help on his ROUTE RUNNING, but had SOFT HANDS.
The problem with all this is....what happens to HANDS when you are concentrating on RUNNING ROUTES? They tend to drop a few.
I really think you are going to be amazed by Hubbard this year as he will not be thinking as much about his routes and will be able to play more naturally and allow his NATURALLY SOFT HANDS to do what they do best.
-
@jadbf said:
But again and I asked you this once before and you answered it with a joke where as Riffer asnwered me with a well thought out paragraph.Are you saying that Even if he learns to catch better, Hubbard will still never be good enough? Then I have no problem with that statement, because I really haven't examined Hubbards game all that well.
But if you look at the satements of your's that I bolded, that's not what you are saying. You are saying he CAN NEVER BE TAUGHT how to better catch the ball, or that he can never improve his ball catching skills, nor can ANY PLAYER.
I have not ever been talking specifically about Hubbard. I have always been talking more about your blanket statement that "you can catch or you can't". And that "catching the ball" can't be taught to guys at this level. And I agree more with Ytown.
And I'd use Edwards as an example. Edwards caught many many balls in 2007, and dropped many many more in 2008. I BELIEVE GOOD COACHING could be able to get Edwards back to the form he showed in 2007. And that that same good coaching could improve Hubbards ability to catch the ball, or any other WR you want to name.
But if your whole arguement is based on "Hubbard will never be a good enough reciever to make it in the NFL" then that's a whole different arguement to which I would actually defer to folks like you and other who actually watch these players in camps and stuff than I do.
Edwards dropping the ball has NOTHING to do with coaching... The problem I have is the word TAUGHT to catch. The teaching has already been done....by the time they get to the pro's.
I don't believe by any stretch of the imagination that by the time they get to this stage..."teaching"... will make any receiver better able to CATCH.
Not improving thru practice, not run better~crispy routes, not reading defenses, and not becoming a better blocker. I'm talking about CATCHING the football. If you don't have great hands by the time you get to the NFL....No amount of Teaching will give you great hands. IN MY OPINION!!!!!
-
Solon...I find your comments kind of funny. You are saying he should have been a finished product coming into the NFL...that all his YEARS OF EXPERIENCE should have him ready to go and not need any coaching.
Here are the facts:
He was only a 2 year starter at Wisconsin...and his second year he was limited to only 8 games. So he only has about 20 games of COLLEGE EXPERIENCE...not exactly a FINISHED PRODUCT.
He was also touted as a RAW PROSPECT (due to the above) in that he is an exceptional athlete (4.38 40, 39.5" vertical, 10'6" long jump) that needed help on his ROUTE RUNNING, but had SOFT HANDS.
The problem with all this is....what happens to HANDS when you are concentrating on RUNNING ROUTES? They tend to drop a few.
I really think you are going to be amazed by Hubbard this year as he will not be thinking as much about his routes and will be able to play more naturally and allow his NATURALLY SOFT HANDS to do what they do best.
Solon...I find your comments kind of funny. You are saying he should have been a finished product coming into the NFL...that all his YEARS OF EXPERIENCE should have him ready to go and not need any coaching.
Here are the facts:
He was only a 2 year starter at Wisconsin...and his second year he was limited to only 8 games. So he only has about 20 games of COLLEGE EXPERIENCE...not exactly a FINISHED PRODUCT.
He was also touted as a RAW PROSPECT (due to the above) in that he is an exceptional athlete (4.38 40, 39.5" vertical, 10'6" long jump) that needed help on his ROUTE RUNNING, but had SOFT HANDS.
The problem with all this is....what happens to HANDS when you are concentrating on RUNNING ROUTES? They tend to drop a few.
I really think you are going to be amazed by Hubbard this year as he will not be thinking as much about his routes and will be able to play more naturally and allow his NATURALLY SOFT HANDS to do what they do best.
That is a different arguement...you are saying he has good hands and thru Teaching everything else he'll better be able to catch.
My arguement is if you can't catch(don't have good hands), you can't be taught to have Good hands. I don't think Hubbard has good hands.
-
Solon...I find your comments kind of funny. You are saying he should have been a finished product coming into the NFL...that all his YEARS OF EXPERIENCE should have him ready to go and not need any coaching.
Here are the facts:
He was only a 2 year starter at Wisconsin...and his second year he was limited to only 8 games. So he only has about 20 games of COLLEGE EXPERIENCE...not exactly a FINISHED PRODUCT.
He was also touted as a RAW PROSPECT (due to the above) in that he is an exceptional athlete (4.38 40, 39.5" vertical, 10'6" long jump) that needed help on his ROUTE RUNNING, but had SOFT HANDS.
The problem with all this is....what happens to HANDS when you are concentrating on RUNNING ROUTES? They tend to drop a few.
I really think you are going to be amazed by Hubbard this year as he will not be thinking as much about his routes and will be able to play more naturally and allow his NATURALLY SOFT HANDS to do what they do best.
He was also touted as a RAW PROSPECT (due to the above) in that he is an exceptional athlete (4.38 40, 39.5" vertical, 10'6" long jump) that needed help on his ROUTE RUNNING, but had SOFT HANDS.
The problem with all this is....what happens to HANDS when you are concentrating on RUNNING ROUTES? They tend to drop a few.
I really think you are going to be amazed by Hubbard this year as he will not be thinking as much about his routes and will be able to play more naturally and allow his NATURALLY SOFT HANDS to do what they do best.
I don't remember hearing about Hubbard's soft hands. nfldraftscout concluded their scouting report on him with this:
For all of his athletic ability, you would expect more from Hubbard as a pass catcher. He seems to be a typical Wisconsin wide out - a poor route runner with little technique, marginal blocking skills, but blessed with the athletic talent that will tease a receiver coach. Outside of Lee Evans, the Badgers have been sorely lacking in producing NFL receivers lately. Hubbard will be the type who is drafted strictly on athletic potential. He has to have some of the worst hands in this draft class, though.
And check out some of the drops he makes in this DraftGuys.tv profile. Pretty ugly stuff.
-
Know can you teach someone to catch the ball.....
You can teach people algebra as well......but some people just don't get it.
The key is how far you can teach them....and they have all the teaching that can be had by the age of 18 if they were fairly serious about the game.
Some of you guys act like most of these guys just got off the banana boat.
-
Yes, you can teach hands. Absolutely.
Throw a guy 500 passes a day for the next 6 months, and see if you don't see improvement. In the same breath, a lot of people say you can't learn to shoot a basketball and that you either have it or you don't. That's also incorrect. Shoot 500 jumpshots a day for the next six months and see if you don't see improvement.
-
Yes, you can teach hands. Absolutely.
Throw a guy 500 passes a day for the next 6 months, and see if you don't see improvement. In the same breath, a lot of people say you can't learn to shoot a basketball and that you either have it or you don't. That's also incorrect. Shoot 500 jumpshots a day for the next six months and see if you don't see improvement.
Yes, you can teach hands. Absolutely.
Throw a guy 500 passes a day for the next 6 months, and see if you don't see improvement. In the same breath, a lot of people say you can't learn to shoot a basketball and that you either have it or you don't. That's also incorrect. Shoot 500 jumpshots a day for the next six months and see if you don't see improvement.
Sure......but it's not like these guys haven't already been doing that.
You think Edwards as an example went from the pick-up leagues to the UoM, and then there someone there didn't think maybe throwing him more passes each day might improve his ability to catch a football???
That's the crap a dad does when his kid is 11 if he thinks his kid has talent.
Really......you don't think people have been throwing balls to these guys up to this point??
LOL
-
If I'm wrong on Glue Hands I will bow down to the board and admit I am a moron, I ain't afraid to eat no crow like some.
IMO, Hubs is nothing more than a sprinter type with limited game. As John stated, he has little football background to him, but WTF does that matter to me as a Browns fan? This is not minor league baseball folks and the practice squad isn't just there to develop guys for years, it serves a purpose of emergency depth and taking guys that show a future and trying to nurture them. From what I've seen from Glue Hands at camp and in those dreadful preseason games last year (Shep will rave about that one sweet catch he made on the sideline) he is way beyond just refining a slightly unfinished product.
Haven't any of you guys ever seen a dude that is just a freak athlete and then you get him on the field or the court and he sucks ass? The world is full of them, but Phillip didn't reach out and draft them when he shouldn't have. BTW, WR is about the last position on the team I want to dick around with somebody with no game. Save that shit for OT projects or developmental third string QB's. I want someone like Robiskie to come in here already polished so I don't have to shit my pants every time a ball is thrown his way.
What gets me the most is we have endured the following for years: Dyson Tyson Jackson, Dr. Q, Antonio "Smarts" Bryant, Northcan't, Tim "I'm like, really, really Fast" Carter and of course Braylons, yet we haven't learned from that nightmare?
I would love to be wrong about Glue because that would be huge for this team if he could make an impact and catch the ball, but I can get much more excited about a Keenan McCardell type that you can just tell has "it" than the Anti-Dave Logan.
-
If we had quality consistent starters at WR Hubbard would be a non-issue.
We drafted the kid as a project on sheer athleticism hoping that in a few seasons he's turn into a solid #3 or #2.
Since we don't have said starters, we look at everyone who can't perform now as dead weight and want them gone.
Too bad our curent state doesn't allow us the luxury of developing late round picks over several seasons like the Steelers and every other winning teams do.
.jpg.a1a2b9a0c33008fdaf4097d8fe2cfd64.jpg "Riffer X"){kind=avatar}
Hello! It looks like you're interested in this conversation, but you don't have an account yet.
Getting fed up of having to scroll through the same posts each visit? When you register for an account, you'll always come back to exactly where you were before, and choose to be notified of new replies (either via email, or push notification). You'll also be able to save bookmarks and upvote posts to show your appreciation to other community members.
With your input, this post could be even better 💗
Register Login