More Fuel for the Fire
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I love a good spillover...
OK.....my primary point was to show how Quarterbacks get a statistical edge in terms of production over the other positions on the field.....as noted.....they are 4.5% of a starting football team....yet constitute 18.8% of the "most productive" top 250 players, by virtue of that measure. Perhaps it is the critical nature of the position.
And, maybe we should look at these statistics into the analysis:
Of those Top 250 in Career Production Average 47 are Quarterbacks......but only 13 are considered Running Backs.
However, when it comes to Hall of Famers, There are 31 Quarterbacks in the HOF.....but there are 45 Running Backs!
Apparently throughout history the RB position may in fact have been equally or more highly valued than the QB position
....but perhaps not so more lately. As I noted, most of those Top 250 are more recent player...60s forward.
A lot more RBs are from the "Pre-Modern era" (generally pre WWII)
Also....FYI, there are exactly the same number of "Ends/WRs" in the HOF as there are QBs: 31 each. (this even though generally there are 2-3 WRs starting for a team as opposed to one QB.
So, even this seems to point to the historical preferential treatment of RBs.
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Let's also look at this another way: What positions in the forseeable future are going to see players go into the HOF? This may somewhat point out the devaluation or the RB position:
Consider these future RB HOF candidtates.....I see exactly one sure thing. And the rest are borderline or below.
Certain RB: LaDanian Tomlinson
Probably to be looked at and rejected RBs: Edgerinn James, Steven Jackson, Corey Dillon, Warrick Dunn, Ricky Watters, Eddie George, Roger Craig, Shaun Alexander. Duke Johnson. Any others?
I see Roger Craig as the only possible....and he has been long rejected at this point.
But then consider the QB position and those who are considered sure things or borderline:
Certain QBs: Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Brett Favre, Ben Roethlisberger, Aaron Rodgers, Kurt Warner
Seven certain QBs vs. one certain RB
As for borderline QBs, consider: Testaverde, Bledsoe, Eli Manning Donovan McNabb, Phillip Rivers, Joe Flacco. Any others?
I would conjecture that the chances for borderline QBs to make it are better than those borderline RBs.
Also....the WR position has some pretty sure fire HOFers.....many more than the RBs.
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Zombo said:
So these 10,000 posts and hours of research on Pro Football Reference were worth it ... I am the first poster to ever get you to admit that there might be a 51% chance you are wrong.
I think we are both ready for training camp ... send in the Steeler fans.
Z
My point was never to say that Young should not be HOF.....just that I think Stabler....who I think had pretty equal accomplishment....should also be included.
My point was never to say that Young should not be HOF.....just that I think Stabler....who I think had pretty equal accomplishment....should also be included.
They're not even close to equal.
Zombo
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My point was never to say that Young should not be HOF.....just that I think Stabler....who I think had pretty equal accomplishment....should also be included.
They're not even close to equal.
Zombo
Zombo said:
They're not even close to equal.
Zombo
I wouldn't be so harsh on Young......he only appeared in one less conference title game than Stabler.
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Zombo said:
They're not even close to equal.
Zombo
I wouldn't be so harsh on Young......he only appeared in one less conference title game than Stabler.
I wouldn't be so harsh on Young......he only appeared in one less conference title game than Stabler.
Team accomplishments again.
There is a reason Al Davis and John Madden are in the Hall, but Stabler isn't.
Upshaw, Shell, Biletnikoff, Capser are in from his offense.
Willie Brown and Ted Hendricks are in from his defense.
Hell, his punter is in the Hall.
But he isn't. Because he wasn't considered the very best at his position during his era. He turned the ball over too much and then had a really poor second half of his career.
Great player. Terrific legend. Just not Hall of Fame at his position.
And no Steve Young. Steve Young is considered one of the greatest passers who ever lived.
Zombo
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I wouldn't be so harsh on Young......he only appeared in one less conference title game than Stabler.
Team accomplishments again.
There is a reason Al Davis and John Madden are in the Hall, but Stabler isn't.
Upshaw, Shell, Biletnikoff, Capser are in from his offense.
Willie Brown and Ted Hendricks are in from his defense.
Hell, his punter is in the Hall.
But he isn't. Because he wasn't considered the very best at his position during his era. He turned the ball over too much and then had a really poor second half of his career.
Great player. Terrific legend. Just not Hall of Fame at his position.
And no Steve Young. Steve Young is considered one of the greatest passers who ever lived.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Team accomplishments again.
There is a reason Al Davis and John Madden are in the Hall, but Stabler isn't.
Upshaw, Shell, Biletnikoff, Capser are in from his offense.
Willie Brown and Ted Hendricks are in from his defense.
Hell, his punter is in the Hall.
But he isn't. Because he wasn't considered the very best at his position during his era. He turned the ball over too much and then had a really poor second half of his career.
Great player. Terrific legend. Just not Hall of Fame at his position.
And no Steve Young. Steve Young is considered one of the greatest passers who ever lived.
Zombo
Who do you think were the Top 6 QBs of his era?
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My top 6 would be....
Marino
Young
Elway
Favre
Moon
Kelly
In that order....(and, to me, Moon and Kelly are a good ways behind the other 4)....and I would say it's EASILY the best era for QB's....by miles and miles......so a few of these hold rank when you add the other eras.....
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My top 6 would be....
Marino
Young
Elway
Favre
Moon
Kelly
In that order....(and, to me, Moon and Kelly are a good ways behind the other 4)....and I would say it's EASILY the best era for QB's....by miles and miles......so a few of these hold rank when you add the other eras.....
My top 6 would be....
Marino
Young
Elway
Favre
Moon
Kelly
In that order....(and, to me, Moon and Kelly are a good ways behind the other 4)....and I would say it's EASILY the best era for QB's....by miles and miles......so a few of these hold rank when you add the other eras.....
I was actually talking about the 70s basically....who you got there?
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70's??.......hmmm, probably Fouts and Tarkenton would be my best 2......and the only ones Id consider "greatest" type of material....
then there is a loooooong line of very good(but not best ever) types like Anderson, Bradshaw, Namath, Jones, Morton, Theisman, Kramer, Stabler, Hart, Kreig, etc.....who are all about the same to me....
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70's??.......hmmm, probably Fouts and Tarkenton would be my best 2......and the only ones Id consider "greatest" type of material....
then there is a loooooong line of very good(but not best ever) types like Anderson, Bradshaw, Namath, Jones, Morton, Theisman, Kramer, Stabler, Hart, Kreig, etc.....who are all about the same to me....
70's??.......hmmm, probably Fouts and Tarkenton would be my best 2......and the only ones Id consider "greatest" type of material....
then there is a loooooong line of very good(but not best ever) types like Anderson, Bradshaw, Namath, Jones, Morton, Theisman, Kramer, Stabler, Hart, Kreig, etc.....who are all about the same to me....
I think you probably forgot Staubach. He clearly was one of the premiere QBs of the 70s.
and what about Griese?
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70's??.......hmmm, probably Fouts and Tarkenton would be my best 2......and the only ones Id consider "greatest" type of material....
then there is a loooooong line of very good(but not best ever) types like Anderson, Bradshaw, Namath, Jones, Morton, Theisman, Kramer, Stabler, Hart, Kreig, etc.....who are all about the same to me....
I think you probably forgot Staubach. He clearly was one of the premiere QBs of the 70s.
and what about Griese?
I think you probably forgot Staubach. He clearly was one of the premiere QBs of the 70s.
and what about Griese?
yeah...I was going from memory.....Id add em both to the very good list
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