Ohio: The bandwagon state
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Zombo said:
Mack is better, and it's not even close, Bud.
He was absolutely dominating from the center position last year before his injury. Pouncey is solid, but not as good as Mack.
Zombo
We'll have to agree to disagree. I'll admit, I don't watch Mack every weekend. I watch Pouncey and he's a beast. He runs down the field like a fullback. He pulls. He's a fantastic athlete. I actually met him a few weeks ago at a Texas Roadhouse near my home. I got a picture of him with my 11 year old son. I'm 6' and around 275lbs. He towered over me and his hand was like a softball glove. I was impressed.
I'm 6' and around 275lbs. He towered over me and his hand was like a softball glove. I was impressed.
At 6ft 275lbs. with children, and loves salads to control his large head, seriously we login as Trolling for dick. That just sounds Stockton Shortish
Go Browns!! Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends Team Brotherhood-"It's not about You,Me or I. It's about building We"..Hue Jackson -
Zombo said:
Didn't see this bearded fuck in your analysis, did he retire?
Safe to say they haven't made up the three TDs they lost to us by last time we played.
Zombo
Our quadrennial, haphazard loss to the Browns. Coinciding with the frequency of the World Cup.
lol. Yes, for the last two decades when we actually had a team, I will give you that. The picture and the score you see in it, however, is a sign of things to come.Our quadrennial, haphazard loss to the Browns. Coinciding with the frequency of the World Cup.
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I'm 6' and around 275lbs. He towered over me and his hand was like a softball glove. I was impressed.
At 6ft 275lbs. with children, and loves salads to control his large head, seriously we login as Trolling for dick. That just sounds Stockton Shortish
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My name was "Unbiased" but apparently Trolling for dick sounded better to Zombo. It's a badge of honor at this point.
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Yes, Pouncey is better.
Mack is better, and it's not even close, Bud.
He was absolutely dominating from the center position last year before his injury. Pouncey is solid, but not as good as Mack.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Mack is better, and it's not even close, Bud.
Zombo
But 3 is pretty close to 5...except that Pouncey is 3.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2491579-br-nfl-1000-ranking-the-top-35-centers-from-2014/page/34
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Zombo said:
Mack is better, and it's not even close, Bud.
Zombo
But 3 is pretty close to 5...except that Pouncey is 3.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2491579-br-nfl-1000-ranking-the-top-35-centers-from-2014/page/34
Stuart said:
But 3 is pretty close to 5...except that Pouncey is 3.http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2491579-br-nfl-1000-ranking-the-top-35-centers-from-2014/page/34
"Even playing in only five games this past season, Alex Mack (6'4", 311 lbs) ranks in the top five among centers in the NFL. He finished with just enough snaps to qualify for our list and no doubt would have ranked higher if he was healthy throughout the year. "
No doubt ...
Z
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Stuart said:
But 3 is pretty close to 5...except that Pouncey is 3.http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2491579-br-nfl-1000-ranking-the-top-35-centers-from-2014/page/34
"Even playing in only five games this past season, Alex Mack (6'4", 311 lbs) ranks in the top five among centers in the NFL. He finished with just enough snaps to qualify for our list and no doubt would have ranked higher if he was healthy throughout the year. "
No doubt ...
Z
Zombo said:
"Even playing in only five games this past season, Alex Mack (6'4", 311 lbs) ranks in the top five among centers in the NFL. He finished with just enough snaps to qualify for our list and no doubt would have ranked higher if he was healthy throughout the year. "
No doubt ...
Z
4 is higher.
But lets not lose track of what you said....Mack is better, and it's not even close, Bud.
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Zombo said:
"Even playing in only five games this past season, Alex Mack (6'4", 311 lbs) ranks in the top five among centers in the NFL. He finished with just enough snaps to qualify for our list and no doubt would have ranked higher if he was healthy throughout the year. "
No doubt ...
Z
4 is higher.
But lets not lose track of what you said....Mack is better, and it's not even close, Bud.
Browns fans would rather have Mack. Stiller fans would rather have Pouncey. I guess we both get what we want. Awesome.Stuart said:
4 is higher.
But lets not lose track of what you said....Mack is better, and it's not even close, Bud.
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Using the same PFF rating system, here is the break out for 2014....by position/group, Browns won hands down.....
Stillers were stronger at RB....QB....DL ....
Browns were stronger at CB....S....OLB....ILB....OL....WR...
TE was a wash......
I'm confused how the Browns could be rated higher at ILB and WR. Doesn't make sense. Your TE's were better than Heath Miller? Again, I'd really like to see what the ratings are based on.
I'm confused how the Browns could be rated higher at ILB and WR. Doesn't make sense. Your TE's were better than Heath Miller? Again, I'd really like to see what the ratings are based on.
That measures last year with Jordan Cameron....pre injury, he was better than Heath. But Cameron is gone, so it is pretty much up in the air. Miller wins so far based on history/reputation.
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Now, here is the Front Seven on Defense....I am going two deep on these as I think this is the one area on a team where there is the most need for depth.
RDE Desmond Bryant/John Hughes ....vs...Cameron Heyward/Cam Thomas
NT: Danny Shelton/Phil Taylor...vs...Steve McClendon/Daniel McCullers
LDE: Randy Starks/Billy Winn/X. Cooper...vs...Stephon Tuitt/Clifton Geathers
LOLB: Barkevious Mingo/Armonty Bryant...vs...Arthur Moats/Bud Dupree
LILB: Karlos Dansby/Tank Carder...vs....Ryan Shazier/Sean Spence
RILB: Craig Robertson/Christian Kirksey...vs....Lawrence Timmons/Vince Williams
ROLB: Paul Kruger/Nate Orchard...vs...James Harrison/Jarvis Jones
Italics=rookies
Choose who you think wins these matchups.
I can't speak about the Browns players. I can tell you Cam Heyward is fantastic. All hustle, good leader, very strong. He applies a lot of pressure.
Cam Thomas is garbage and outside of a flood of injuries I don't see how he makes the team.
Steve Mclendon played with a shoulder injury last year. Very strong 2 gap player that I have a high opinion of.
Dan McCullers was a rookie spot player last year who started at times late in the season due to injuries. He's a house, like 6'8" 350. Tough to move.
Stephon Tuitt was a rook out of ND and really got better over the course of the year. He'll start this year and expectations are high.
Arthur Moats is an average journeyman type player who I expect will start at the beginning and eventually be replaced by Dupree when he's ready.
Jones was injured last year after having 2 sacks in 3 games. He came back but had a hard time and had to split with Harrison.
Harrison continues to be a beast who will get situational pass rush opportunities this year. Love the guy.
Shazier fought injuries last year but flashed when he played. I expect him and Timmons to become one of the best tandems in the NFL by years end.
Vince Williams and Sean Spence have been solid backups. Larry Foote type players.
I can't speak about the Browns players. I can tell you Cam Heyward is fantastic. All hustle, good leader, very strong. He applies a lot of pressure.
Cam Thomas is garbage and outside of a flood of injuries I don't see how he makes the team.
Steve Mclendon played with a shoulder injury last year. Very strong 2 gap player that I have a high opinion of.
Dan McCullers was a rookie spot player last year who started at times late in the season due to injuries. He's a house, like 6'8" 350. Tough to move.
Stephon Tuitt was a rook out of ND and really got better over the course of the year. He'll start this year and expectations are high.
Arthur Moats is an average journeyman type player who I expect will start at the beginning and eventually be replaced by Dupree when he's ready.
Jones was injured last year after having 2 sacks in 3 games. He came back but had a hard time and had to split with Harrison.
Harrison continues to be a beast who will get situational pass rush opportunities this year. Love the guy.
Shazier fought injuries last year but flashed when he played. I expect him and Timmons to become one of the best tandems in the NFL by years end.
Vince Williams and Sean Spence have been solid backups. Larry Foote type players.
In other words, you basically agree with all my assessments.
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Zombo said:
Mack is better, and it's not even close, Bud.
Zombo
But 3 is pretty close to 5...except that Pouncey is 3.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2491579-br-nfl-1000-ranking-the-top-35-centers-from-2014/page/34
Stuart said:
But 3 is pretty close to 5...except that Pouncey is 3.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2491579-br-nfl-1000-ranking-the-top-35-centers-from-2014/page/34
Its pretty good that he was considered the #5 center in the NFL when he didn't even play half the game. Without the injury, he is probably #1 on every list.
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Browns fans would rather have Mack. Stiller fans would rather have Pouncey. I guess we both get what we want. Awesome.Stuart said:
4 is higher.
But lets not lose track of what you said....Mack is better, and it's not even close, Bud.
Browns fans would rather have Mack. Stiller fans would rather have Pouncey. I guess we both get what we want. Awesome.
The Ultimate point is: The center position is the ONLY position where a Steeler player is arguably better than a Browns play along the OL.
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The next time you get upset at the dude in Steeler gear, remember that you only have yourselves to blame.
Below is a gif illustrating the difference one year makes when there are signs that good things are ahead for the Browns and Bengals.
In 2013 Steeler fans swallowed up half of Ohio. Notice the expansion of bengals and browns fans and the recession of Steeler fans in 2014.
Especially Bengal fans.
Bunch of bandwagon jumpers you are
Stuart said:
The next time you get upset at the dude in Steeler gear, remember that you only have yourselves to blame.
Below is a gif illustrating the difference one year makes when there are signs that good things are ahead for the Browns and Bengals.
In 2013 Steeler fans swallowed up half of Ohio. Notice the expansion of bengals and browns fans and the recession of Steeler fans in 2014.
Especially Bengal fans.
Bunch of bandwagon jumpers you are
From what I can see, here is the ultimate result of this:
Territorial winners:
Seahawks
Broncos
Panthers
Browns
Bengals
49ers
Cardinals
Losers:
Raiders
Cowboys
Steelers
and correct me if I am wrong....does it look like it is the Packers that lost like all of Alaska to Seattle?
Most other teams changed very little.
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I think TFD deserves to have his original name back.
I'm not sure of any past transgressions, but lately he sounds like a dude who just wants to talk football.
He doesn't lob personal insults, is civil and coherent, and doesn't spout the usual "better than you" bullshit. So what if likes the cheating raping Steelers.
The guy can take some punishment and has stuck around and makes decent conversation. He's a hell of a lot less inflammatory than Ghoolie and is actually here to discuss a great sports rivalry rather than just troll us like that dick from Buffalo whose daughter is a hooker.
I say, let the man be called what he wants. He's earned my respect and can contribute to the board.
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I think TFD deserves to have his original name back.
I'm not sure of any past transgressions, but lately he sounds like a dude who just wants to talk football.
He doesn't lob personal insults, is civil and coherent, and doesn't spout the usual "better than you" bullshit. So what if likes the cheating raping Steelers.
The guy can take some punishment and has stuck around and makes decent conversation. He's a hell of a lot less inflammatory than Ghoolie and is actually here to discuss a great sports rivalry rather than just troll us like that dick from Buffalo whose daughter is a hooker.
I say, let the man be called what he wants. He's earned my respect and can contribute to the board.
Just my two inches.I think TFD deserves to have his original name back.
I'm not sure of any past transgressions, but lately he sounds like a dude who just wants to talk football.
He doesn't lob personal insults, is civil and coherent, and doesn't spout the usual "better than you" bullshit. So what if likes the cheating raping Steelers.
The guy can take some punishment and has stuck around and makes decent conversation. He's a hell of a lot less inflammatory than Ghoolie and is actually here to discuss a great sports rivalry rather than just troll us like that dick from Buffalo who's daughter is a hooker.
I say, let the man be called what he wants. He's earned my respect and can contribute to the board.
Just my two inches.
If we change it, it will be to HHSEMFSF (Huge-headed, salad-eating, mother-fucking steeler-fan), but he seems comfortable trolling for dick.
Z
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I think TFD deserves to have his original name back.
I'm not sure of any past transgressions, but lately he sounds like a dude who just wants to talk football.
He doesn't lob personal insults, is civil and coherent, and doesn't spout the usual "better than you" bullshit. So what if likes the cheating raping Steelers.
The guy can take some punishment and has stuck around and makes decent conversation. He's a hell of a lot less inflammatory than Ghoolie and is actually here to discuss a great sports rivalry rather than just troll us like that dick from Buffalo who's daughter is a hooker.
I say, let the man be called what he wants. He's earned my respect and can contribute to the board.
Just my two inches.
If we change it, it will be to HHSEMFSF (Huge-headed, salad-eating, mother-fucking steeler-fan), but he seems comfortable trolling for dick.
Z
Zombo said:
If we change it, it will be to HHSEMFSF (Huge-headed, salad-eating, mother-fucking steeler-fan), but he seems comfortable trolling for dick.
Z
Look man, I'm not gonna start liking the Browns or something crazy like that if you change my name. And trolling for dick is pretty f'n funny yet insulting and flattering at the same time. I'm game for whatever.
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I think TFD deserves to have his original name back.
I'm not sure of any past transgressions, but lately he sounds like a dude who just wants to talk football.
He doesn't lob personal insults, is civil and coherent, and doesn't spout the usual "better than you" bullshit. So what if likes the cheating raping Steelers.
The guy can take some punishment and has stuck around and makes decent conversation. He's a hell of a lot less inflammatory than Ghoolie and is actually here to discuss a great sports rivalry rather than just troll us like that dick from Buffalo whose daughter is a hooker.
I say, let the man be called what he wants. He's earned my respect and can contribute to the board.
Just my two inches.I think TFD deserves to have his original name back.
I'm not sure of any past transgressions, but lately he sounds like a dude who just wants to talk football.
He doesn't lob personal insults, is civil and coherent, and doesn't spout the usual "better than you" bullshit. So what if likes the cheating raping Steelers.
The guy can take some punishment and has stuck around and makes decent conversation. He's a hell of a lot less inflammatory than Ghoolie and is actually here to discuss a great sports rivalry rather than just troll us like that dick from Buffalo who's daughter is a hooker.
I say, let the man be called what he wants. He's earned my respect and can contribute to the board.
Just my two inches.
Thanks.
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Browns fans would rather have Mack. Stiller fans would rather have Pouncey. I guess we both get what we want. Awesome.
The Ultimate point is: The center position is the ONLY position where a Steeler player is arguably better than a Browns play along the OL.
The Ultimate point is: The center position is the ONLY position where a Steeler player is arguably better than a Browns play along the OL.
And just so I'm clear as well, I think the lines are closer than maybe some of you want to admit. I know the PFF ratings are pretty strongly in your favor, no doubt, but I think the Steeler line is becoming a unit of strength and blocking for Ben is hard .I don't think I tried to argue they were better as a unit as much as defended them from the perception they are bad. Our left guard is below board. The rest of them are pretty solid. Arguing which center is better is really debating who's the best in the league.
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I can't speak about the Browns players. I can tell you Cam Heyward is fantastic. All hustle, good leader, very strong. He applies a lot of pressure.
Cam Thomas is garbage and outside of a flood of injuries I don't see how he makes the team.
Steve Mclendon played with a shoulder injury last year. Very strong 2 gap player that I have a high opinion of.
Dan McCullers was a rookie spot player last year who started at times late in the season due to injuries. He's a house, like 6'8" 350. Tough to move.
Stephon Tuitt was a rook out of ND and really got better over the course of the year. He'll start this year and expectations are high.
Arthur Moats is an average journeyman type player who I expect will start at the beginning and eventually be replaced by Dupree when he's ready.
Jones was injured last year after having 2 sacks in 3 games. He came back but had a hard time and had to split with Harrison.
Harrison continues to be a beast who will get situational pass rush opportunities this year. Love the guy.
Shazier fought injuries last year but flashed when he played. I expect him and Timmons to become one of the best tandems in the NFL by years end.
Vince Williams and Sean Spence have been solid backups. Larry Foote type players.
In other words, you basically agree with all my assessments.
In other words, you basically agree with all my assessments.
Unfortunately no. I think you overvalue some of your players.
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Browns fans would rather have Mack. Stiller fans would rather have Pouncey. I guess we both get what we want. Awesome.Stuart said:
4 is higher.
But lets not lose track of what you said....Mack is better, and it's not even close, Bud.
Browns fans would rather have Mack. Stiller fans would rather have Pouncey. I guess we both get what we want. Awesome.
Well said.
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