BREAKING: Joey Bosa's 5 star little brother just committed to OSU
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Did I insult your school? I don't remember? Did you go there? Just curious.
I did insult SEC fans tho, they bring it on themselves. The Texas thing was just a stereotype I felt like bringing up.
Sure, skip past it then.
Rankings don't reflect a classes ability to win. They reflect the talent of the players they got to commit. I could sign the top 20 QBs in the class and kill it in class rankings. My team won't be very good tho.
So Saban only loses out on players when other teams pay them? Hahahaha. Have you not seen Bama recruiting? Players in expensive rides. Commits posting pics with wads of cash? Players getting loans thru coaches? Bama is well versed in that shit.
Maybe it just seems like more because they're hyped up a lot.
You know what every recruit cares about? Good to know. Sure, winning and championships is great. Being developed and having a high NFL draft stock matters a lot too.
Have you been to Ann Arbor before? If so when? And what parties?
Let them laugh, there is more history here than any other SEC school. The SECs history is grasping tight on to segregation.
Some players care about academics. For those that do, Bama can't hold a candle to Michigan. I'm sure Bama is very solid compared to its competition in the region....
Did I insult your school? I don't remember? Did you go there? Just curious.
I did insult SEC fans tho, they bring it on themselves. The Texas thing was just a stereotype I felt like bringing up.
Sure, skip past it then.
Rankings don't reflect a classes ability to win. They reflect the talent of the players they got to commit. I could sign the top 20 QBs in the class and kill it in class rankings. My team won't be very good tho.
So Saban only loses out on players when other teams pay them? Hahahaha. Have you not seen Bama recruiting? Players in expensive rides. Commits posting pics with wads of cash? Players getting loans thru coaches? Bama is well versed in that shit.
Maybe it just seems like more because they're hyped up a lot.
You know what every recruit cares about? Good to know. Sure, winning and championships is great. Being developed and having a high NFL draft stock matters a lot too.
Have you been to Ann Arbor before? If so when? And what parties?
Let them laugh, there is more history here than any other SEC school. The SECs history is grasping tight on to segregation.
Some players care about academics. For those that do, Bama can't hold a candle to Michigan. I'm sure Bama is very solid compared to its competition in the region....
Yes you did. Yes I did.
So you concede you did insult me in those two ways. At least we've got you past the silly "aggressiveness? what aggressiveness?" stage.
Ok, that's true.
Where did I say that Bama does NOT pay players? Nowhere. They definitely do. They're one of the best at it. But if they have a kid as a low priority and say, LSU has the same kid as a high one, then there's a good chance Bama will lose that kid. Now if Bama had prioritized him, it might be a different story. It's all part of the game.
Yes, being developed and increasing NFL draft stock matters too. I said that at the outset. Saban has put more kids in the NFL than Harbaugh. Fact.
No I have not. Safe to say it's not known for women or parties though. Have you been to Tuscaloosa?
Well, that and the fact that Bama's won 3 national championships and 3 SEC championships in the last 6 seasons. They have more national championships than you (and anyone). More bowl appearances, a much better bowl record, more first round picks, and more than twice as many weeks sitting at AP #1. Michigan has more conference championships in a far weaker conference (something Saban will make abundantly clear to the kid), and a better all time record in same. Couple more Heismans, granted (because this is relevant to DTs), and definitely a lot more All-Americans. The programs are about even historically. Maybe I'd give Michigan a very slight edge because I know Bama counts some national championships that technically shouldn't be counted (as if the Jersey kid is going to investigate this, and I'll give Michigan the benefit of the doubt that they haven't). Nevertheless, to actually argue this point against Alabama given how close it is and the recent history would be futile.
Your best bet is to pay the kid more than Bama does.
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So the only kids Bama doesn't get a commit from are kids Bama doesn't want. Ok. I realize you are new to the SEC, but try not to kiss ass too hard.
Saban has coaches for more years than Harbaugh, of course he's put more players in the NFL. The average Bama player also starts better than Harbaughs average Stanford player. The point is Harbaugh developed those guys. He has also coached at a high level in the NFL, and brings this experience of the league with him. As well as the majority of our staff
So you have never been to Ann Arbor, but you know the girls are average and the party scene is bad. Got it.
I have not been to Tuscaloosa, but I haven't commented on it either.
Read up on Bamas national championships. Go look at how many they awarded to themselves years after the fact. They do not have the most championships in CFB, they just claim the most.
Edit: Looks like you're vaguely aware. Point is, they don't have as many as they claim.
Less bowl games for historical reap a prior to the 70s, not because the team was bad. They've played in the same amount since 1970.
They do have a better bowl record than us. Some more games prior to 1970 could have helped that. Outside of the last 7 years, it could be argued we played in better bowls too.
The SEC has only been "the SEC" we know of today for about a decade. You know that right? You really think a conference championship carries weight that far back? When the B1G was clearly the best?
They don't have a better all time record....
Find any evidence of Michigan paying players. Saban is sleeze. He treats his players as tools. If the NCAA wanted to they could hit that school hard. But it is in their best interest to protect the SEC.
But damn, is this what being an SEC fan is all about? Slobbering in the dick of your conferences best team just so that you can feel relevant? What a damn shame.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
I say this as a fan of a team who just lost a kid that had been committed for a year because he visited Alabama a couple times. A team with a staff who was left with an empty bag on NSD last year because Kendall Sheffield went with Bama when everyone thought he was an A&M lean for a year and a half. I say this as someone who's aware Saban has signed 5 straight number 1 classes. You are the dense one here, not me.
So Saban knows how to turn 5 stars into NFL players. Harbaugh knows how to turn 3 stars into NFL players but with far less frequency (even when accounting for the difference in career length). And you expect a 5 star to say "let me go with Harbaugh." Poor logic.
You want to put your girls up against Alabama's be my guest. I'd love to see it. 9/10 people would laugh you out of the room.
No, I'm fully aware. I'm not sure how many fewer the actual number is, but it's not much. It's also cancelled out by the fact that they actually have recent championships, unlike Michigan.
"Less bowl games for historical reap a". I don't know what that means. It's funny you now want to draw the line at 1970 since that cuts off all but one of your national championships while Alabama has the three recent ones plus another, what, 2 or 3? I know they won one with Stallings in the early 90s and the Bear was still coaching in the early 70s. Not a good argument for you.
Yes, I am aware it has only been "the SEC" for about a decade, although it still had some differentiating features prior to that. But the bulk of the arguments against the dominance of SEC teams basically all go back to "well we won a lot of championships in 1940!!" (believe me, I know), so I just like to address the historical points when I can.
I never said they had a better all-time record. And you want to criticize MY reading comprehension.
"Find any evidence of Michigan paying players. Saban is sleeze. He treats his players as tools. If the NCAA wanted to they could hit that school hard. But it is in their best interest to protect the SEC."
Read: "Bla bla bla, bla bla-bla bla, bla bla bla bla bla, I'm butthurt, bla bla bla, my team blows on the field, bla bla bla, we don't have the spine for big time CFB anymore, bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla." By the way, I never said you paid players. I said if you want him, pay him more than Alabama boosters are. You won't, so you won't get him. Sucks to suck.
If you want to claim the moral high ground re: CFB, maybe try actually having an ounce of class in the way you speak. Your language is disgusting and what's worse is you're unaware that what you describe me doing with a coach that has 4 NC rings is what you're doing for a coach that has 0 and has done next to nothing. Pretty ironic.
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Yes, players decommit and head to other schools. It happens. Bama isn't the only one that gets them. Again, you want to make the point Saban gets whatever player he wants. That isn't true.
I don't expect a 5* to do anything. I'm telling you what recruits might care about. Getting developed for the NFL is one of those things. Harbaugh has pretty great footing here. You'd expect 3*s to make it to the NFL at less frequency than 5*. It can be easily argued Harbaugh developed his players more at Stanford than Saban at Bama relative to the expectations of those kids tho.
I never commented on the girls at Bama. You started making comments about the females and parties in Ann Arbor even though you've never even been there. I'm an alumni there, but what do I know...
You can be a dumbass if you want though. I can't stop you. How were the girls when you went to Bama? Or did you go to A&M?
Your comment wasn't recent championships, it was total. You need to stop making a claim in one post, and then changing it hoping no one will notice in the next.
I cut off bowl games there because Michigan didn't attend bowl games for a long period of time. Since they have been consistently,they're even with Bama. My comments on titles was in response to yours, which reverenced all time. Again, you need to quit changing your arguments post to post to suit your needs.
I'm not talking about the 40s. You don't need to go back that far to find a very strong B1G. Your argument was that all time conference championships in the Big Ten don't matter because it is a weaker conference. I assume this means "currently weaker", in which case your argument holds no water. The SEC has only been around like this for a decade or so, but you want to discredit every big ten title? You want to act like anything prior to a decade ago is the 40s? Are you that big of an idiot? I realize part of being an SEC fan is chest beating and willful ignorance, but I didn't realize it included warping history.
But if you conference of letter black players start playing in the70s I guess I'd block dome stuff out too.
Remember, your team is A&M. I guess another part of being an SEC fan is sucking the tit of the best team at the moment. I imagine its easier to grab self worth from Bama than your own team though.
Michigan will be fine. We're in a great position. I'm not worried going forward because we have a top 3 or 5 cfb coach.
Being an SEC fan is crazy. I could never openly endorse cheating as you do. I guess it is your "just win" mentality. Maybe that's more prevalent when it is all the school/area has.
My language is disgusting? Right, exactly. I'm insulting you because you're an SEC fan,now I can't claim a moral high ground. You're an SEC fan tho, so you'll race me down that hill. I guess you would start near the bottom though.
I talk about MY SCHOOLS coach. I have reference only facts or pretty common opinions. You're going out of your way to ride a coach's dick that is not involved with your school in any way. I can only assume that means A&M us pretty bad.
You should learn to make an argument and stick with it. Attempting to change it post to post as a way to seem right doesn't really work if someone is following along. At the end of the day, you're just the typical SEC fan. Clouded view of history, head in the sand, win at all cost, and just generally not the brightest. Now, if you aren't affiliated with your school in any way we'll really have the typical internet SEC fan...
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So the only kids Bama doesn't get a commit from are kids Bama doesn't want. Ok. I realize you are new to the SEC, but try not to kiss ass too hard.
Saban has coaches for more years than Harbaugh, of course he's put more players in the NFL. The average Bama player also starts better than Harbaughs average Stanford player. The point is Harbaugh developed those guys. He has also coached at a high level in the NFL, and brings this experience of the league with him. As well as the majority of our staff
So you have never been to Ann Arbor, but you know the girls are average and the party scene is bad. Got it.
I have not been to Tuscaloosa, but I haven't commented on it either.
Read up on Bamas national championships. Go look at how many they awarded to themselves years after the fact. They do not have the most championships in CFB, they just claim the most.
Edit: Looks like you're vaguely aware. Point is, they don't have as many as they claim.
Less bowl games for historical reap a prior to the 70s, not because the team was bad. They've played in the same amount since 1970.
They do have a better bowl record than us. Some more games prior to 1970 could have helped that. Outside of the last 7 years, it could be argued we played in better bowls too.
The SEC has only been "the SEC" we know of today for about a decade. You know that right? You really think a conference championship carries weight that far back? When the B1G was clearly the best?
They don't have a better all time record....
Find any evidence of Michigan paying players. Saban is sleeze. He treats his players as tools. If the NCAA wanted to they could hit that school hard. But it is in their best interest to protect the SEC.
But damn, is this what being an SEC fan is all about? Slobbering in the dick of your conferences best team just so that you can feel relevant? What a damn shame.
So the only kids Bama doesn't get a commit from are kids Bama doesn't want. Ok. I realize you are new to the SEC, but try not to kiss ass too hard.
Saban has coaches for more years than Harbaugh, of course he's put more players in the NFL. The average Bama player also starts better than Harbaughs average Stanford player. The point is Harbaugh developed those guys. He has also coached at a high level in the NFL, and brings this experience of the league with him. As well as the majority of our staff
So you have never been to Ann Arbor, but you know the girls are average and the party scene is bad. Got it.
I have not been to Tuscaloosa, but I haven't commented on it either.
Read up on Bamas national championships. Go look at how many they awarded to themselves years after the fact. They do not have the most championships in CFB, they just claim the most.
Edit: Looks like you're vaguely aware. Point is, they don't have as many as they claim.
Less bowl games for historical reap a prior to the 70s, not because the team was bad. They've played in the same amount since 1970.
They do have a better bowl record than us. Some more games prior to 1970 could have helped that. Outside of the last 7 years, it could be argued we played in better bowls too.
The SEC has only been "the SEC" we know of today for about a decade. You know that right? You really think a conference championship carries weight that far back? When the B1G was clearly the best?
They don't have a better all time record....
Find any evidence of Michigan paying players. Saban is sleeze. He treats his players as tools. If the NCAA wanted to they could hit that school hard. But it is in their best interest to protect the SEC.
But damn, is this what being an SEC fan is all about? Slobbering in the dick of your conferences best team just so that you can feel relevant? What a damn shame.
Princeton and Yale have claim to the most National titles. Since the "Poll era" began in like 1936, Alabama does have the most titles amongst the major polls/BCS etc. Their titles the last few years gave them their lead.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_football_national_championships_in_NCAA_Division_I_FBS
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"Less bowl games for historical reap a". I don't know what that means. It's funny you now want to draw the line at 1970 since that cuts off all but one of your national championships while Alabama has the three recent ones plus another, what, 2 or 3? I know they won one with Stallings in the early 90s and the Bear was still coaching in the early 70s. Not a good argument for you.
Just FYI, Prior to like some time in the mid 70s....the Big Ten had a policy that only the Conf. Champ that played in the Rose Bowl was allowed to play in a Bowl game. You could have had a 10-1 team, if it did not win the conf. it stayed home. The other conferenced did not have that rule...so ergo, in history, yes, Alabama and others had far more opportunities to make bowl appearances than Big Ten Schools. The archaic rule was rescinded when the Big Ten realized there could be big money in bowl appearances.
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So the only kids Bama doesn't get a commit from are kids Bama doesn't want. Ok. I realize you are new to the SEC, but try not to kiss ass too hard.
Saban has coaches for more years than Harbaugh, of course he's put more players in the NFL. The average Bama player also starts better than Harbaughs average Stanford player. The point is Harbaugh developed those guys. He has also coached at a high level in the NFL, and brings this experience of the league with him. As well as the majority of our staff
So you have never been to Ann Arbor, but you know the girls are average and the party scene is bad. Got it.
I have not been to Tuscaloosa, but I haven't commented on it either.
Read up on Bamas national championships. Go look at how many they awarded to themselves years after the fact. They do not have the most championships in CFB, they just claim the most.
Edit: Looks like you're vaguely aware. Point is, they don't have as many as they claim.
Less bowl games for historical reap a prior to the 70s, not because the team was bad. They've played in the same amount since 1970.
They do have a better bowl record than us. Some more games prior to 1970 could have helped that. Outside of the last 7 years, it could be argued we played in better bowls too.
The SEC has only been "the SEC" we know of today for about a decade. You know that right? You really think a conference championship carries weight that far back? When the B1G was clearly the best?
They don't have a better all time record....
Find any evidence of Michigan paying players. Saban is sleeze. He treats his players as tools. If the NCAA wanted to they could hit that school hard. But it is in their best interest to protect the SEC.
But damn, is this what being an SEC fan is all about? Slobbering in the dick of your conferences best team just so that you can feel relevant? What a damn shame.
Princeton and Yale have claim to the most National titles. Since the "Poll era" began in like 1936, Alabama does have the most titles amongst the major polls/BCS etc. Their titles the last few years gave them their lead.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_football_national_championships_in_NCAA_Division_I_FBS
Princeton and Yale have claim to the most National titles. Since the "Poll era" began in like 1936, Alabama does have the most titles amongst the major polls/BCS etc. Their titles the last few years gave them their lead.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_football_national_championships_in_NCAA_Division_I_FBS
Per that link, apparently college football has now started over completely. Nothing before the beginning of the College Football Playoffs began counts. Ergo, the team with the most National Championships in history is:
THE Ohio State University
(how is that for Steeler fan like logic?
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Isiah Pryor 4 star safety has committed to OSU. Its good to be king
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Isiah Pryor 4 star safety has committed to OSU. Its good to be king
Isiah Pryor 4 star safety has committed to OSU. Its good to be king
2017 safety, right?
I think you have the #2 and #8 2017 CBs too.
As of now at least.
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Yeah
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Jeez you can't make a post without some butthurt "why are you an SEC fan?" garbage? How pathetic is that? Can't argue without calling me an idiot. Can't argue without using obscene language. You are a vile individual Woody.
Alabama has a program on par with yours. That's a fact. Get over it. What arguments have I changed in subsequent posts?
Harbaugh is not a top 5 coach in CFB. He could be. But to say that now is so delusional I don't know where to start. How many rings does he have again? Zero? You do realize there are 4 or 5 coaches coaching right now that have won national championships as a head coach right? You count guys that have been to the game and there's another 3 or 4. But Harbaugh is a better coach because....
You haven't realized that dealing with a team full of elite talent is different than dealing with one full of lunch pail guys. A huge part of
Would you like to make a claim about your girls and parties relative to Alabama? Go ahead. We're all waiting. And I already answered your question about going to a&m. Why are you still asking it?
I'm only defending Alabama because you actually think your program is on a par with theirs. I seek truth. I push back when I see pure delusion. That's all I'm doing. That your responses to that have to deteriorate into nothing but personal insults shows me you don't have much of a rhetorical defense.
I don't believe the Big 10 ever had the depth the SEC did. The best teams were better, but that's it. That's why I don't rate the conference as well. You can bet Saban will make this point from his status as a Big 10 alum. Harbaugh's experience with the SEC? That's what I thought.
Btw you keep saying "Saban loses kids! Saban loses kids!" but have completely ignored the fact that he's had 5 straight #1 classes. You also have no basis on which to say Harbaugh is better able to put a kid in the NFL. None. If you would stop insulting me this discussion could actually get somewhere but we know you have nothing.
Gipper, thanks.
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"Less bowl games for historical reap a". I don't know what that means. It's funny you now want to draw the line at 1970 since that cuts off all but one of your national championships while Alabama has the three recent ones plus another, what, 2 or 3? I know they won one with Stallings in the early 90s and the Bear was still coaching in the early 70s. Not a good argument for you.
Just FYI, Prior to like some time in the mid 70s....the Big Ten had a policy that only the Conf. Champ that played in the Rose Bowl was allowed to play in a Bowl game. You could have had a 10-1 team, if it did not win the conf. it stayed home. The other conferenced did not have that rule...so ergo, in history, yes, Alabama and others had far more opportunities to make bowl appearances than Big Ten Schools. The archaic rule was rescinded when the Big Ten realized there could be big money in bowl appearances.
"Less bowl games for historical reap a". I don't know what that means. It's funny you now want to draw the line at 1970 since that cuts off all but one of your national championships while Alabama has the three recent ones plus another, what, 2 or 3? I know they won one with Stallings in the early 90s and the Bear was still coaching in the early 70s. Not a good argument for you.
Just FYI, Prior to like some time in the mid 70s....the Big Ten had a policy that only the Conf. Champ that played in the Rose Bowl was allowed to play in a Bowl game. You could have had a 10-1 team, if it did not win the conf. it stayed home. The other conferenced did not have that rule...so ergo, in history, yes, Alabama and others had far more opportunities to make bowl appearances than Big Ten Schools. The archaic rule was rescinded when the Big Ten realized there could be big money in bowl appearances.
Alright, thanks. I knew it was something like that but u couldn't remember. Weird thing is there are years where Michigan has the B1G title, but played in no bowl. I know some were joint titles and the B1G wanted to rotate teams when possible though.
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So the only kids Bama doesn't get a commit from are kids Bama doesn't want. Ok. I realize you are new to the SEC, but try not to kiss ass too hard.
Saban has coaches for more years than Harbaugh, of course he's put more players in the NFL. The average Bama player also starts better than Harbaughs average Stanford player. The point is Harbaugh developed those guys. He has also coached at a high level in the NFL, and brings this experience of the league with him. As well as the majority of our staff
So you have never been to Ann Arbor, but you know the girls are average and the party scene is bad. Got it.
I have not been to Tuscaloosa, but I haven't commented on it either.
Read up on Bamas national championships. Go look at how many they awarded to themselves years after the fact. They do not have the most championships in CFB, they just claim the most.
Edit: Looks like you're vaguely aware. Point is, they don't have as many as they claim.
Less bowl games for historical reap a prior to the 70s, not because the team was bad. They've played in the same amount since 1970.
They do have a better bowl record than us. Some more games prior to 1970 could have helped that. Outside of the last 7 years, it could be argued we played in better bowls too.
The SEC has only been "the SEC" we know of today for about a decade. You know that right? You really think a conference championship carries weight that far back? When the B1G was clearly the best?
They don't have a better all time record....
Find any evidence of Michigan paying players. Saban is sleeze. He treats his players as tools. If the NCAA wanted to they could hit that school hard. But it is in their best interest to protect the SEC.
But damn, is this what being an SEC fan is all about? Slobbering in the dick of your conferences best team just so that you can feel relevant? What a damn shame.
Princeton and Yale have claim to the most National titles. Since the "Poll era" began in like 1936, Alabama does have the most titles amongst the major polls/BCS etc. Their titles the last few years gave them their lead.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_football_national_championships_in_NCAA_Division_I_FBS
Princeton and Yale have claim to the most National titles. Since the "Poll era" began in like 1936, Alabama does have the most titles amongst the major polls/BCS etc. Their titles the last few years gave them their lead.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_football_national_championships_in_NCAA_Division_I_FBS
Oh, I know there are some schools like that. My comment was just related to Bama. Ex, in 1973, they finished undefeated and then lost their bowl game to another undefeated team, but claim the title. I think the AP awarded titles before bowl games then. There are a few other not very legitimate titles. Like some of Notre Dames Heismans
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Jeez you can't make a post without some butthurt "why are you an SEC fan?" garbage? How pathetic is that? Can't argue without calling me an idiot. Can't argue without using obscene language. You are a vile individual Woody.
Alabama has a program on par with yours. That's a fact. Get over it. What arguments have I changed in subsequent posts?
Harbaugh is not a top 5 coach in CFB. He could be. But to say that now is so delusional I don't know where to start. How many rings does he have again? Zero? You do realize there are 4 or 5 coaches coaching right now that have won national championships as a head coach right? You count guys that have been to the game and there's another 3 or 4. But Harbaugh is a better coach because....
You haven't realized that dealing with a team full of elite talent is different than dealing with one full of lunch pail guys. A huge part of
Would you like to make a claim about your girls and parties relative to Alabama? Go ahead. We're all waiting. And I already answered your question about going to a&m. Why are you still asking it?
I'm only defending Alabama because you actually think your program is on a par with theirs. I seek truth. I push back when I see pure delusion. That's all I'm doing. That your responses to that have to deteriorate into nothing but personal insults shows me you don't have much of a rhetorical defense.
I don't believe the Big 10 ever had the depth the SEC did. The best teams were better, but that's it. That's why I don't rate the conference as well. You can bet Saban will make this point from his status as a Big 10 alum. Harbaugh's experience with the SEC? That's what I thought.
Btw you keep saying "Saban loses kids! Saban loses kids!" but have completely ignored the fact that he's had 5 straight #1 classes. You also have no basis on which to say Harbaugh is better able to put a kid in the NFL. None. If you would stop insulting me this discussion could actually get somewhere but we know you have nothing.
Gipper, thanks.
Jeez you can't make a post without some butthurt "why are you an SEC fan?" garbage? How pathetic is that? Can't argue without calling me an idiot. Can't argue without using obscene language. You are a vile individual Woody.
Alabama has a program on par with yours. That's a fact. Get over it. What arguments have I changed in subsequent posts?
Harbaugh is not a top 5 coach in CFB. He could be. But to say that now is so delusional I don't know where to start. How many rings does he have again? Zero? You do realize there are 4 or 5 coaches coaching right now that have won national championships as a head coach right? You count guys that have been to the game and there's another 3 or 4. But Harbaugh is a better coach because....
You haven't realized that dealing with a team full of elite talent is different than dealing with one full of lunch pail guys. A huge part of
Would you like to make a claim about your girls and parties relative to Alabama? Go ahead. We're all waiting. And I already answered your question about going to a&m. Why are you still asking it?
I'm only defending Alabama because you actually think your program is on a par with theirs. I seek truth. I push back when I see pure delusion. That's all I'm doing. That your responses to that have to deteriorate into nothing but personal insults shows me you don't have much of a rhetorical defense.
I don't believe the Big 10 ever had the depth the SEC did. The best teams were better, but that's it. That's why I don't rate the conference as well. You can bet Saban will make this point from his status as a Big 10 alum. Harbaugh's experience with the SEC? That's what I thought.
Btw you keep saying "Saban loses kids! Saban loses kids!" but have completely ignored the fact that he's had 5 straight #1 classes. You also have no basis on which to say Harbaugh is better able to put a kid in the NFL. None. If you would stop insulting me this discussion could actually get somewhere but we know you have nothing.
Gipper, thanks.
Oh god now I'm vile. I apologize.
Bama has been much more successful than us (or any team really) over the last decade. All time, historically, they are not a "better" program. That's my opinion though, I just don't see it. Like most topics in this back and forth tho, this is getting off track.
I can find rankings online that agree with me about Harbaugh being a top 5 cfb coach. It obviously is all subjective though. This is based on what he accomplished at Stanford, where they start and what he turned them into, plus his NFL success.
No shit it is different. But develop players is developing players. He's shown he can take a player and make him better.
I didn't comment on Bamas girls or party scene. It has nothing to do with the argument I'm making. YOU commented on michigans girls and parties and yet you've never even been there....
I honestly missed your answer about attending A&M, what was it?
"only seek truth" "nothing but personal insults"? Haha, get over yourself. I'm not the one constantly changing the points I'm trying to make, in an attempt to eventually seem right.
Hell, look at the quoted post. You said they were on par. Then a few paragraphs later you said they weren't.
In in the history of the big ten, you don't think it has ever been as good as the SEC is now. Really? And this is why you font give credit to any B1G titles over time... Ok. This is why I make the "head in the sand SEC fan comment".
When did I say "Saban loses kids"?
Getting #1 classes becomes easier when your oversign some.
Saban moves kids to the NFL that are expected to go there. At Stanford, Harbaugh developed kids into NFL talent. Not to mention Harbaugh has a ton of experience and success in the NFL, same with most of the staff.
Right, I'm the only one throwing out insults.
This all started because you think it is impossible for any kid not to choose Bama (because, as an SEC fan, you just latch onto the best team in your conference). I gave you reasons why. Since then, you've jumped all over the place trying to make a point and attack straw men...
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Why do you stupidly split hairs like "when did I say 'Saban loses kids?'" It was obviously implied when you criticized me for saying he doesn't really lose kids. If not, I take it you are conceding that he doesn't lose kids?
Are Michigan girls and parties better than Alabama's? Simple question. We're comparing the sellability of the programs here and you are dodging based on my not having been to Ann Arbor as if Harbaugh isn't going to negatively recruit Alabama (then again you're probably delusional enough to actually believe that) and I doubt he's ever been there. Certainly hasn't been as many times as Saban has been to Ann Arbor.
Saban's had the top 2 or 3 classes for highest number of 4 and 5 stars in all 5 of those classes I'm pretty sure. So no, it's really not due to the oversigning. But keep telling yourself that. He has signs classes every single year with more 4 and 5 stars than Michigan signed in its entire class last year.
Yes I went to A&M.
the state of your program is not on a par with Alabama's RIGHT NOW. Historically, of course it is.
All I hear is a bunch of speculation on why Harbaugh is better at developing NFL talent. I still don't see any actual proof he's done it better than Saban. Probably because there isn't any. Keep pointing to Harbaugh's history with 3 stars while casually ignoring that this kid IS A 5 STAR.
Hey, I'm just saying, I don't make it my life's work to defend Alabama. I just see someone post something I think is false, so I tell them why I think they're wrong. You equate that with doing obscene things with them or with Saban. When I tell you I'm just giving my opinion, I get "get over yourself." Ok. Good argument, I guess. At least your last post was somewhat more classy overall.
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Why do you stupidly split hairs like "when did I say 'Saban loses kids?'" It was obviously implied when you criticized me for saying he doesn't really lose kids. If not, I take it you are conceding that he doesn't lose kids?
Are Michigan girls and parties better than Alabama's? Simple question. We're comparing the sellability of the programs here and you are dodging based on my not having been to Ann Arbor as if Harbaugh isn't going to negatively recruit Alabama (then again you're probably delusional enough to actually believe that) and I doubt he's ever been there. Certainly hasn't been as many times as Saban has been to Ann Arbor.
Saban's had the top 2 or 3 classes for highest number of 4 and 5 stars in all 5 of those classes I'm pretty sure. So no, it's really not due to the oversigning. But keep telling yourself that. He has signs classes every single year with more 4 and 5 stars than Michigan signed in its entire class last year.
Yes I went to A&M.
the state of your program is not on a par with Alabama's RIGHT NOW. Historically, of course it is.
All I hear is a bunch of speculation on why Harbaugh is better at developing NFL talent. I still don't see any actual proof he's done it better than Saban. Probably because there isn't any. Keep pointing to Harbaugh's history with 3 stars while casually ignoring that this kid IS A 5 STAR.
Hey, I'm just saying, I don't make it my life's work to defend Alabama. I just see someone post something I think is false, so I tell them why I think they're wrong. You equate that with doing obscene things with them or with Saban. When I tell you I'm just giving my opinion, I get "get over yourself." Ok. Good argument, I guess. At least your last post was somewhat more classy overall.
Why do you stupidly split hairs like "when did I say 'Saban loses kids?'" It was obviously implied when you criticized me for saying he doesn't really lose kids. If not, I take it you are conceding that he doesn't lose kids?
Are Michigan girls and parties better than Alabama's? Simple question. We're comparing the sellability of the programs here and you are dodging based on my not having been to Ann Arbor as if Harbaugh isn't going to negatively recruit Alabama (then again you're probably delusional enough to actually believe that) and I doubt he's ever been there. Certainly hasn't been as many times as Saban has been to Ann Arbor.
Saban's had the top 2 or 3 classes for highest number of 4 and 5 stars in all 5 of those classes I'm pretty sure. So no, it's really not due to the oversigning. But keep telling yourself that. He has signs classes every single year with more 4 and 5 stars than Michigan signed in its entire class last year.
Yes I went to A&M.
the state of your program is not on a par with Alabama's RIGHT NOW. Historically, of course it is.
All I hear is a bunch of speculation on why Harbaugh is better at developing NFL talent. I still don't see any actual proof he's done it better than Saban. Probably because there isn't any. Keep pointing to Harbaugh's history with 3 stars while casually ignoring that this kid IS A 5 STAR.
Hey, I'm just saying, I don't make it my life's work to defend Alabama. I just see someone post something I think is false, so I tell them why I think they're wrong. You equate that with doing obscene things with them or with Saban. When I tell you I'm just giving my opinion, I get "get over yourself." Ok. Good argument, I guess. At least your last post was somewhat more classy overall.
Because that's how he do.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
... Right, because every point you've made has been perfect. But if you keep changing what you're debating, I see how that can happen.
It isn't really speculation. He has a pretty good track record and his staff has a lot of NFL experience. Obviously Saban takes players destined for the NFL and then gets them to the NFL. I just don't see how you could really negatively recruit Harbaugh and his staff on that if you're Bama. Though I'm sure they mention all of the draft picks that came out of there.
Hey, congrats, you didn't completely contradict yourself on that in your post this time. Obviously Bama is better right now. We're a tier above them historically
Obviously it isn't 100% oversigning. But when you can flush out the underperforming players each season to make more room for highly rated players, your class ranking will go up.
Paying them helps too
I have no idea about Bamas girls or parties, so I wont comment on them. Just like you have no idea about Michigan's. But I never made statement about Bamas. You did make a statement about Michigan's. See the difference here?
Wait, Saban is versed in the party scene and girls in Ann Arbor? Haha ok.
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Why do you stupidly split hairs like "when did I say 'Saban loses kids?'" It was obviously implied when you criticized me for saying he doesn't really lose kids. If not, I take it you are conceding that he doesn't lose kids?
Are Michigan girls and parties better than Alabama's? Simple question. We're comparing the sellability of the programs here and you are dodging based on my not having been to Ann Arbor as if Harbaugh isn't going to negatively recruit Alabama (then again you're probably delusional enough to actually believe that) and I doubt he's ever been there. Certainly hasn't been as many times as Saban has been to Ann Arbor.
Saban's had the top 2 or 3 classes for highest number of 4 and 5 stars in all 5 of those classes I'm pretty sure. So no, it's really not due to the oversigning. But keep telling yourself that. He has signs classes every single year with more 4 and 5 stars than Michigan signed in its entire class last year.
Yes I went to A&M.
the state of your program is not on a par with Alabama's RIGHT NOW. Historically, of course it is.
All I hear is a bunch of speculation on why Harbaugh is better at developing NFL talent. I still don't see any actual proof he's done it better than Saban. Probably because there isn't any. Keep pointing to Harbaugh's history with 3 stars while casually ignoring that this kid IS A 5 STAR.
Hey, I'm just saying, I don't make it my life's work to defend Alabama. I just see someone post something I think is false, so I tell them why I think they're wrong. You equate that with doing obscene things with them or with Saban. When I tell you I'm just giving my opinion, I get "get over yourself." Ok. Good argument, I guess. At least your last post was somewhat more classy overall.
Because that's how he do.
Because that's how he do.
Maybe it was what he posted?
Never did I yell "Saban loses kids! Saban loses kids!" As if he's bad at recruiting. Or as if this needs to be shouted from the mountain tops. Or something like that.
It isn't splitting hairs when you're trying to change they way I'm conveying a point.
Obviously Saban doesn't get every single recruit he wants. That's just common sense IMO. That doesn't mean I'm yelling out he loses kids, haha. I assumed it was just common sense, but maybe I'm mistaken.
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