Football Gameplan's 2015 NFL Team Preview: Browns
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To find out if the light goes on and he thrives and does great.
He's turned his life around, and the question about how good
he can really be hasn't been answered.
So, you give him a chance to answer that question now, and
the chippies fall where they may.
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A. Your shift key. Fix it.
B. The Browns will regret...passing on HUNDLEY????
ROF,L.... I mean....
I don't think so. I like Next year's qb draft class. We'll see.
It wastes time to have a premier qb without the talent around him.
The ratbirds had their team intact, great defense, and got their qb.
The squealers got their team intact, great defense, and got their qb.
etc etc. The Browns will now have a GREAT defense, and next draft they
can get their qb, assuming the guy they want is in the draft.
A. Your shift key. Fix it.
B. The Browns will regret...passing on HUNDLEY????
ROF,L.... I mean....
I don't think so. I like Next year's qb draft class. We'll see.
It wastes time to have a premier qb without the talent around him.
The ratbirds had their team intact, great defense, and got their qb.
The squealers got their team intact, great defense, and got their qb.
etc etc. The Browns will now have a GREAT defense, and next draft they
can get their qb, assuming the guy they want is in the draft.
BS.. They aren't GUARANTEED anything in NEXT YEARS Draft, this draft class hasn't even seen the field yet, and YOU'RE already focused on what QB is available in NEXT years Draft. Did you pick the Browns to make the playoffs this year? If you did, I doubt if they get a marquee QB. I say they'll finish 4th in the division, have a top 5 pick, that they will trade down from to get an EXTRA pick in 2017.
WASTES talent to have a premier QB? I'm going to assume that was a mistype on your part. PREMIER QB's have the ABILITY to ELEVATE those around them. That WASN'T Hoyer, and ISNT McCown, some guys are ONLY as good as the talent you surround them with. The Browns have been REBUILDING since 1999. I believe they AVG less than 5 wins a season since returning?
Hundley was in the perfect position to DRAFT and DEVELOP. Shaw is NOT an NFL QB, and will NEVER lead this team, so lets not waste time there. They will never attract a top tier FA QB to come here, so when McCown doesn't work out, they'll be looking for the next RETREAD. Taking YOUR logic a step further, what QB could they Draft next year, that can come in and play? That they will HAND the ball to, and be patient through his development, they damn sure hadn't done it with Manziel, and he was a 1st round pick.
You look at the OTHER QB's in Manziels Draft class, Bortles, Carr, and Bridgewater, how their respective teams handled them, and how Manziel was handled here. Then they surrounded them with WEAPONS, not DEPTH.
The Browns are not a GREAT defense, they have the ability to be very good.
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To find out if the light goes on and he thrives and does great.
He's turned his life around, and the question about how good
he can really be hasn't been answered.
So, you give him a chance to answer that question now, and
the chippies fall where they may.
To find out if the light goes on and he thrives and does great.
He's turned his life around, and the question about how good
he can really be hasn't been answered.
So, you give him a chance to answer that question now, and
the chippies fall where they may.
The Browns DRAFTED Manziel to start, same as they did Weeden, to think anything less, is asinine, At some point, you HAVE to see what the kid can actually do.You have to COMMIT to his DEVELOPMENT, and PROGRESS, allow him to face adversity, and find his way through it. They NEVER gave him a true opportunity to COMPETE. All they did was talk Hoyer up, and express how far Manziel was behind, and had SO MUCH to learn, you would think Hoyer WAS Brady, as opposed to the guy that BACKED him up, before being upgraded.
I think for Manziel to have success, he needs to be put in position to do so, and that starts with an offense that fits his STRENGTHS and SKILL-SET, surround him with WEAPONS, and TALENT, and be PATIENT. Bortles, Carr and Bridgewater, are all in positions to make strides and be better, Manziel is STILL WAITING. If you WEREN'T going to give the going to give the guy an opportunity, then why WASTE a draft pick on him?
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Good evening Browns fans! Here's my season preview for you guys. Good luck this year!
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http://footballgameplan.com/fbgps-2015-nfl-season-preview-cleveland-browns/
Good evening Browns fans! Here's my season preview for you guys. Good luck this year!
Em
Reason for Optimism
REALISTICALLY speaking... there is none. The Browns STRUGGLED to win 7 games last season, LOSING 6 of 7, and their last 5 in a row to close the season. The ONLY win in that stretch was a win in ATL, where a couple poor coaching decisions by Smith (winningest coach in franchise history) cost them the game and quite possibly his job. Based in the Browns schedule in 2014, they should have won no less than 10 games. TEN, JAX, OAK, and TAM COMBINED to go 10-54 (Browns lost to JAX ONLY scoring 6 PTS) Nobody in the NFC South (ATL, CAR, NO, and TAM) even had a winning record. HOU (30 INC passes) and BUF (Hoyer FINALLY benched for poor play, but still CLAIMED it was his team) and then there was the MISSED opportunity vs IND (where the DEF dominated) where Hoyer only managed to pass for 136 YDS, and was 4-15 on 3rd downs. The DEF forced 4 TO's, 3 SACKS, and outscored the OFF for the 2nd time during the season (NO).
I don't think the DEF got better, I think they added DEPTH, DUPLICATE parts. The PASS game was awful last year, Hoyer couldn't throw to win games. I think the OL and RUN game is a strength, but once again, it comes down to LEADERSHIP and QB PLAY, and McCown is the same waste of time as Hoyer was, IMO.
Cause for Concern
No question its QB play, I still DON'T quite understand the McCown (1-10 last year) signing, and naming him as the starter early on. I remember they ran Campbell out of town, because he was 1-7, DEF cost him at least 3 wins, because he EARNED an escalator in his contract. He managed to PASS Gordon and Cameron to the Pro Bowl, with NO RUN GAME, had 4 RUSH TDS the entire season. The failure to make drafting a TOP TIER WR, when they had the OPPORTUNITY to do so, and NEED, for the 2nd Draft in a row, will quite possibly lead to the end of the Farmer era. They have ALWAYS had a need for a WR opposite Gordon, and a guy who could take the lead, in situations of injury or in Gordon's case, suspension. There were 8-10 rookie WR's last year, that were MORE PRODUCTIVE than the Browns best, does that REPEAT this year? Another cause for concern, is UNREALISTIC expectations, and how they IMPACT the team moving forward.
The Road to the Super Bowl for the Browns
Quite simply, purchase tickets... this team has NO CHANCE to reach the Super Bowl, I think they should focus on at least trying to win more than 2 division games, and finishing 4th in the division. Nevertheless, I'll humor you...
1. QB Play is Efficient - I'm sorry, but NOTHING about McCown moves me. not that he's a bad guy, I just don't think he's very good, I put he and Hoyer in the same category, McCown has just had more field time. So much was made about Hoyer being 10-6 as a starter, yet he ONLY defeated 2 teams with winning records (CIN, PIT) The Browns just aren't good enough to win with efficient QB play, they need a QB that can go out and WIN games. What;s GAINED by playing McCown? He was benched by the time TAM came to CLE last year. I say hand the ball to Manziel, and let him find his way.
2. Kicking Game Steps Up - I'm not sure if they even have settled on a kicker going into camp. They've yet to find anyone close to what they had in Dawson. Last year it was Cundiff and Hartley (who didn't miss) I think it will be one of the more interesting competitions in camp, Spear has a strong leg, and is my choice if they trust going into a season with someone unproven.
3. Run Defense Improves - I think the biggest problem with the Browns run DEF, is the Browns OFF. The inability to convert 3rd downs, move the chains, extend possessions, eventually, FATIGUE sets in. The loss to IND would be a prime example in support of that claim.
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Manziel will be cut by years end, McGown will have spectacular year. Browns go 15-1 and win it all. Bank it.
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Me too! Steve Spurrier has been known to hang his QBs out to dry with some unsound pass protections up front while challenging them to get rid of the ball quickly. When he hasn't had the right QB or the right surrounding cast - this hasn't always gone well. Shaw's numbers in his final year in Spurrier's offense are exactly what you want going with good defense and a nice running game. He had a TD to INT ratio of 24:1. SoCar went 10-2 in the SEC. Then we add what he accomplished at Indy/pre-draft workouts. Then we factor in he's a film rat. I can't help but flash back to the Brian Sipe nobody saw coming when our former 3rd overall pick Mike Phipps wasn't the answer.
Here's CONNOR SHAW'S STATS
Passing Statistics & Rushing statistics
Year Att Comp Pct Yds TD Int Rating Att Yds Avg TD
2013 284 180 63.4 2,447 24 1 162.9 154 558 3.6 6
2012 228 154 67.5 1,956 17 7 158.1 131 435 3.3 3
2011 188 123 65.4 1,448 14 6 148.3 135 525 3.9 8
2010 33 23 69.7 223 1 2 124.3 32 165 5.2 0
Career 733 480 65.5 6,074 56 16 155.9 452 1,683 3.7 17
I don't agree with the national media or those saying we have the worst QB situation. A lot of the same people had Russell Wilson on "don't even think about it before round 3 or 4" status while RG3 was all kinds of "gotta-have." Before that, they didn't have the first clue about Tom Brady. Before that, Sipe's arm wasn't as strong as Bea Arthur's; but he's inexplicably the only MVP passer in Cleveland I've had the pleasure of witnessing.
Right now, we have 3 different QBs I feel can succeed if used correctly in cohesion with a good running game. I'm looking forward to watching fate do its thing. What national media squids predicted we'd get off to a 6-3 and 7-4 start in 2014? What makes the same goofballs trustworthy this time around? Nothing. Stay tuned...
Conner Shaw is NOT an NFL QB... He won at So Carolina, but Spurrier's teams were built to run the ball and an attacking defense. Nobody cares what he did in the 2nd pre-season game?The Browns had no clue how to handle their QB's or QB situation. Hoyer had been SO BAD, he STARTED the 4th pre-season game. He was so bad they brought in Grossman (who had the MOST experience in Shanasham's offense, looked most comfortable in it, and best suited to tutor Hoyer and Manziel, BOTH were LEARNING it for the first time. Shaw should not have even made the roster, should have been on the practice squad at best. In the Browns situation, a QB with EXPERIENCE made the most sense as the 3rd QB, not 2 guys all trying to learn, and compete at the same time. I think Lewis is a better QB than McCown, and I don't see how Shaw even makes the final 53. He was rewarded with a start in the last game (Hoyer tapped out, didn't want t face BAL) Shaw struggled, and survived. He completed 50% of his passes (14-28) had poor pocket awareness, was slow through his reads and progressions, just lacked the arm strength to get the ball where it needed to be. He FUMBLED, tossed in INTERCEPTION, and was SACKED 4 times, with a QBR of 15.1
The Browns had no interest in Wilson, I was a guy very high on Wilson, I think the Browns will regret passing on Hundley (UCLA) traded their pick to Green Bay, and they selected him. I'm anxious to see just how they handle this so called competition, or should I just say QB position.
Conner Shaw is NOT an NFL QB... He won at So Carolina, but Spurrier's teams were built to run the ball and an attacking defense.
psst... The Browns are "built to run the ball and an attacking defense (sic)".
You wouldn't by chance be fond of the color "coral" would you?
A. Your shift key. Fix it.
One of our rare, total agreements...
The Browns DRAFTED Manziel to start, same as they did Weeden, to think anything less, is asinine, At some point, you HAVE to see what the kid can actually do.You have to COMMIT to his DEVELOPMENT, and PROGRESS, allow him to face adversity, and find his way through it. They NEVER gave him a true opportunity to COMPETE. All they did was talk Hoyer up, and express how far Manziel was behind, and had SO MUCH to learn, you would think Hoyer WAS Brady, as opposed to the guy that BACKED him up, before being upgraded.
I think for Manziel to have success, he needs to be put in position to do so, and that starts with an offense that fits his STRENGTHS and SKILL-SET, surround him with WEAPONS, and TALENT, and be PATIENT. Bortles, Carr and Bridgewater, are all in positions to make strides and be better, Manziel is STILL WAITING. If you WEREN'T going to give the going to give the guy an opportunity, then why WASTE a draft pick on him?
We drafted Manziel to be our QB of the future. His path started with watching and learning in 2014.
Same as Bridgewater...
Same as Bortles...
JM may have watched...
Once Hoyer declined mightily the staff did commit to JM for the balance of the season. And after showing how ill-prepared he was to start, JM pulled a hammie...
Let's see what the new, improved JM earns in 2015.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
A. Your shift key. Fix it.
B. The Browns will regret...passing on HUNDLEY????
ROF,L.... I mean....
I don't think so. I like Next year's qb draft class. We'll see.
It wastes time to have a premier qb without the talent around him.
The ratbirds had their team intact, great defense, and got their qb.
The squealers got their team intact, great defense, and got their qb.
etc etc. The Browns will now have a GREAT defense, and next draft they
can get their qb, assuming the guy they want is in the draft.
BS.. They aren't GUARANTEED anything in NEXT YEARS Draft, this draft class hasn't even seen the field yet, and YOU'RE already focused on what QB is available in NEXT years Draft. Did you pick the Browns to make the playoffs this year? If you did, I doubt if they get a marquee QB. I say they'll finish 4th in the division, have a top 5 pick, that they will trade down from to get an EXTRA pick in 2017.
WASTES talent to have a premier QB? I'm going to assume that was a mistype on your part. PREMIER QB's have the ABILITY to ELEVATE those around them. That WASN'T Hoyer, and ISNT McCown, some guys are ONLY as good as the talent you surround them with. The Browns have been REBUILDING since 1999. I believe they AVG less than 5 wins a season since returning?
Hundley was in the perfect position to DRAFT and DEVELOP. Shaw is NOT an NFL QB, and will NEVER lead this team, so lets not waste time there. They will never attract a top tier FA QB to come here, so when McCown doesn't work out, they'll be looking for the next RETREAD. Taking YOUR logic a step further, what QB could they Draft next year, that can come in and play? That they will HAND the ball to, and be patient through his development, they damn sure hadn't done it with Manziel, and he was a 1st round pick.
You look at the OTHER QB's in Manziels Draft class, Bortles, Carr, and Bridgewater, how their respective teams handled them, and how Manziel was handled here. Then they surrounded them with WEAPONS, not DEPTH.
The Browns are not a GREAT defense, they have the ability to be very good.
They will never attract a top tier FA QB to come here, so when McCown doesn't work out, they'll be looking for the next RETREAD.
Please list all the "top tier FA QB's" that were available.
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They will never attract a top tier FA QB to come here, so when McCown doesn't work out, they'll be looking for the next RETREAD.
Please list all the "top tier FA QB's" that were available.
Please list all the "top tier FA QB's" that were available.
Here's my list......
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JM himself admits his rookie year was squandered in trying to BE Johnny Football rather than actually learning to be an NFL QB. So for all intents and purposes this is his real rookie year where he is to truly learn what it takes and how to do it. My guess is that by midway through the season, barring a miracle run with Josh at the helm, he will be given multiple games to try to put it all into practice like last year's other rookie QB's. And yes, he has to earn that shot in practice and prove he deserves it. If he is the competitor I think he is who has become more serious about the game (and his life), he will get that shot. I trust this staff that they didn't draft him for no good reason. They did it because they think he can be the QB they want. If not, then he won't even make the 53 squad.
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Please list all the "top tier FA QB's" that were available.
Here's my list......
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Manziel will be cut by years end, McGown will have spectacular year. Browns go 15-1 and win it all. Bank it.
Manziel will be cut by years end, McGown will have spectacular year. Browns go 15-1 and win it all. Bank it.
Who is McGown?
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Manziel will be cut by years end, McGown will have spectacular year. Browns go 15-1 and win it all. Bank it.
Who is McGown?
Who is McGown?
McGown is the guy that asked your MayorMcCheese to the dance.
i think they all wear size 22 red floppy shoes.
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Please list all the "top tier FA QB's" that were available.
Here's my list......
Here's my list......
What top tier QB would have an interest in coming here? The way they treat and handle QB'a, the best they'll do is guys like Delhomme, Hoyer and McCown, just to name a few. Journeymen, who never really led teams, been career backups, and come here as a short term opportunity. I actually like Lewis more so to make this team as the 2nd or 3rd QB if he gets an opportunity. When you put guys like that, with no upside, and you elevate them, making them out to be more than what they actually are, you inhibit Manziel, and limit his opportunities.
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Manziel will be cut by years end, McGown will have spectacular year. Browns go 15-1 and win it all. Bank it.
Who is McGown?
Who is McGown?
Jorsh McGown, quaberterk for the Clorbeland Brawns.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Here's my list......
What top tier QB would have an interest in coming here? The way they treat and handle QB'a, the best they'll do is guys like Delhomme, Hoyer and McCown, just to name a few. Journeymen, who never really led teams, been career backups, and come here as a short term opportunity. I actually like Lewis more so to make this team as the 2nd or 3rd QB if he gets an opportunity. When you put guys like that, with no upside, and you elevate them, making them out to be more than what they actually are, you inhibit Manziel, and limit his opportunities.
What top tier QB would have an interest in coming here? The way they treat and handle QB'a, the best they'll do is guys like Delhomme, Hoyer and McCown, just to name a few. Journeymen, who never really led teams, been career backups, and come here as a short term opportunity. I actually like Lewis more so to make this team as the 2nd or 3rd QB if he gets an opportunity. When you put guys like that, with no upside, and you elevate them, making them out to be more than what they actually are, you inhibit Manziel, and limit his opportunities.
The only thing that has inhibited Manziel is himself. If he was ill prepared last year, then he's had to take additional time to adjust to the day in and day out's of being the consummate Pro QB.That alone is daunting. Then you have to go through the finer things such as footwork, eye usage, keys, reads, protections, play calls, packages etc etc.
By the flip side of things, when you elevate a guy like Johnny, who has a history of not putting in the work - it sends the wrong message to the rest of the team.
Your point is two fold in the opposite direction. Truth be told, you sound like half the fuckers you'll find in the Muni lot.
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Your point is two fold in the opposite direction. Truth be told, you sound like half the drunk steeler fan fuckers you'll find in the Muni lot. Tiam
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Here's my list......
What top tier QB would have an interest in coming here? The way they treat and handle QB'a, the best they'll do is guys like Delhomme, Hoyer and McCown, just to name a few. Journeymen, who never really led teams, been career backups, and come here as a short term opportunity. I actually like Lewis more so to make this team as the 2nd or 3rd QB if he gets an opportunity. When you put guys like that, with no upside, and you elevate them, making them out to be more than what they actually are, you inhibit Manziel, and limit his opportunities.
What top tier QB would have an interest in coming here? The way they treat and handle QB'a,
No....it is an issue of the way the QBs treat and handle us. They have sucked swamp water, everyone of them. Name one single Browns QB that has been here....let go, then won fame and fortune eisewhere.....the answer is the same as what is inside a doughnut....nada.
the best they'll do is guys like Delhomme, Hoyer and McCown, just to name a few. Journeymen, who never really led teams, been career backups, and come here as a short term opportunity. I actually like Lewis more so to make this team as the 2nd or 3rd QB if he gets an opportunity. When you put guys like that, with no upside, and you elevate them, making them out to be more than what they actually are, you inhibit Manziel, and limit his opportunities.
Manziel had/has a glorious opportunity to become a football hero/star in this town and in the NFL. He just has to be able to play. So far, he has not shown that he can play with the big boys. The opportunity is there for him. Maybe he could have used another year in college....or a couple of years on the Taxi Squad. That is what Brian Sipe did. If its good enough for him, its good enough for Johnny.
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Who is McGown?
Jorsh McGown, quaberterk for the Clorbeland Brawns.
Jorsh McGown, quaberterk for the Clorbeland Brawns.
quaberterk???......HA!
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JM himself admits his rookie year was squandered in trying to BE Johnny Football rather than actually learning to be an NFL QB. So for all intents and purposes this is his real rookie year where he is to truly learn what it takes and how to do it. My guess is that by midway through the season, barring a miracle run with Josh at the helm, he will be given multiple games to try to put it all into practice like last year's other rookie QB's. And yes, he has to earn that shot in practice and prove he deserves it. If he is the competitor I think he is who has become more serious about the game (and his life), he will get that shot. I trust this staff that they didn't draft him for no good reason. They did it because they think he can be the QB they want. If not, then he won't even make the 53 squad.
JM himself admits his rookie year was squandered in trying to BE Johnny Football rather than actually learning to be an NFL QB. So for all intents and purposes this is his real rookie year where he is to truly learn what it takes and how to do it. My guess is that by midway through the season, barring a miracle run with Josh at the helm, he will be given multiple games to try to put it all into practice like last year's other rookie QB's. And yes, he has to earn that shot in practice and prove he deserves it. If he is the competitor I think he is who has become more serious about the game (and his life), he will get that shot. I trust this staff that they didn't draft him for no good reason. They did it because they think he can be the QB they want. If not, then he won't even make the 53 squad.
Ag.... BION I hope you are right, but I am afraid that the "JFF mystique" is gone and we'll find it was an essential piece of JM's past success.
The only thing that has inhibited Manziel is himself.
Beat me to it...
Jorsh McGown, quaberterk for the Clorbeland Brawns.
lol... knuckle typing at its finest...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
JM himself admits his rookie year was squandered in trying to BE Johnny Football rather than actually learning to be an NFL QB. So for all intents and purposes this is his real rookie year where he is to truly learn what it takes and how to do it. My guess is that by midway through the season, barring a miracle run with Josh at the helm, he will be given multiple games to try to put it all into practice like last year's other rookie QB's. And yes, he has to earn that shot in practice and prove he deserves it. If he is the competitor I think he is who has become more serious about the game (and his life), he will get that shot. I trust this staff that they didn't draft him for no good reason. They did it because they think he can be the QB they want. If not, then he won't even make the 53 squad.
Ag.... BION I hope you are right, but I am afraid that the "JFF mystique" is gone and we'll find it was an essential piece of JM's past success.
The only thing that has inhibited Manziel is himself.
Beat me to it...
Jorsh McGown, quaberterk for the Clorbeland Brawns.
lol... knuckle typing at its finest...
I am afraid that the "JFF mystique" is gone and we'll find it was an essential piece of JM's past success.
me too.....I think he had a supreme sense of confidence and cockiness that allowed him to play so well in college.....and now that has left him.......he needs to get that back to play well and is really pressing hard to find it.....
He needs time.....lots and lots of time......
And sounds like JH is ready to give it to him. So, if there are no expectations from the team for him to perform THIS year, then Id say they better keep Shaw........
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