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Gotta agree that that is an odd statement that L is not a heavy hitter.. He would be a second round steal.. If if that statement is true.. even if his pro day may not have been great (I did not see it).. I have seen the guy play.. he has speed, and instincts, he can tackle and flat out makles plays.. just watch the game film..he is a good player..
I don't think he is the next LT or Seau and maybe not a perennial pro bowler.. but I believe he will be a solid..SOLID NFL starter.. If we can get that in round 2.. that's fine by me.. He is definately not a #5 pick..but in the second round...... ABSOLUTELY (insert sylvester stallone accent here)
Maybe not the next LT or Seau but very well could be the next Brian Urlacker. Seems that's who most scouts compare him to.
Bad 40...........................WTF he was better then Maualuga. A 4.7 40 for a ILB isn't bad, so what about his pro day was bad.............Everything I read said he did very well. And his 3 years as an All American and multiple individual defensive awards, including defensive player of the year and best LB speak for themselves.
Tired of hearing people dissing this guy when he has proven to be a hell of a football player, with good character, never complains and suits up every week to play. BTW, he leaves it on the field every week. He gives the 100% and never asks for anything because he loves the game.
Maybe not the next LT or Seau but very well could be the next Brian Urlacker. Seems that's who most scouts compare him to.
Bad 40...........................WTF he was better then Maualuga. A 4.7 40 for a ILB isn't bad, so what about his pro day was bad.............Everything I read said he did very well. And his 3 years as an All American and multiple individual defensive awards, including defensive player of the year and best LB speak for themselves.
Tired of hearing people dissing this guy when he has proven to be a hell of a football player, with good character, never complains and suits up every week to play. BTW, he leaves it on the field every week. He gives the 100% and never asks for anything because he loves the game.
Every year, it seems like certain people get picked on by the draft gurus. My guess is Hawk going as high as he did and not being dominant (yet?) has hurt JL also. Losing the last three bowl games didn't help him either, because a lot of the myths about OSU players sucking started twirling around.
As far as this board goes, for whatever reason there are quite a few guys that aren't Buckeye fans. Fine with me, but they seem to actually root against them, which goes along with the national perception of Buckeye hatred.
We need Notre Dame to get decent again so people can go back to hating them like Sev does.
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I would be elated if we were able to trade out of that 5th pick & get BOTH JL & Robiskie. I agree that they will both be very solid pros. Both are intelligent, focused & fundamentally solid.
Every year we hear of the "can't miss" guys who just blew them away at the Combine. There IS a lot to be said for "measurables" though...always highly accurate (tongue in cheek), such as:
Jack Lambert...too skinny
Joe Montana...poor arm strength
Larry Bird (NBA)...too slow
Paul Silas (NBA)...can't jump
Lee Trevino (PGA)...awful swing
There are many more, but these I could think of immediately.
HEART is not measurable, & that's the key to finding the best. I am tired of hearing of super fast, super strong, super athletic players who "sometimes" take a few plays off.....I do NOT want those players. I want to depend upon the good effort I will get on the field EVERY play & I do think JL & Robiskie will provide that.
Mike
Good post.
On the other side of the isle, My brother and I have Vinnie Clark as a running joke to the stupidity of what pure numbers mean to the NFL. This guy had great numbers. Big corner....Good 40 time.... Huge vertical.
The Packers drafted this stiff with pick #19 in the first round. After two seasons he was sent packing to Atlanta.
He was terrible at OSU as well! But hey, his numbers were great!
oldcow1945 said:
Good post.On the other side of the isle, My brother and I have Vinnie Clark as a running joke to the stupidity of what pure numbers mean to the NFL. This guy had great numbers. Big corner....Good 40 time.... Huge vertical.
The Packers drafted this stiff with pick #19 in the first round. After two seasons he was sent packing to Atlanta.
He was terrible at OSU as well! But hey, his numbers were great!
When I made my statement, I was being a smart*ss about teams relying on measurables....had they stuck to that in all cases, those "Hall of Famers" I mentioned may never have been drafted. It is the talent evaluator who can see "beyond" the Combine numbers who gets some very special players. Your example of a Combine "Star" who busted is not uncommon.
Mike
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Interesting set of takes..........
Laurinaitis plays with vision and instinct and is durable. His instincts put him around the ball and thus he makes lots of stops. He will be fine linebacker in the pros. I would use a second on him if we had an offense. Since we do not, I would be drafting another skill player in the second round. If Laurinaitis is there in the third take him. Heck I would trade tubbo Rogers for another second and use in on Laurinaitis. Would not use a second round pick in Robiskie. Not sure he will elevate enough in pro ranks but his disciplined and runs great routes.
Beanie Wells has the potential to one of the best backs ever in the NFL. He has all the needed ingredients. Runs with vision can out run people or run over them. He has the best stiff arm since Jim Brown. I would not hesitate to roll the dice on him with that five pick in the first. Unless another back graded out much higher with much more potential. Adrian Peterson was passed because he had some injuries in college.
The Browns should focus on drafting offense in the early rounds. Mark Sanchez is an interesting idea too.
Alex Boone blows I would not use a FA pickup salary on him
Interesting set of takes..........
Laurinaitis plays with vision and instinct and is durable. His instincts put him around the ball and thus he makes lots of stops. He will be fine linebacker in the pros. I would use a second on him if we had an offense. Since we do not, I would be drafting another skill player in the second round. If Laurinaitis is there in the third take him. Heck I would trade tubbo Rogers for another second and use in on Laurinaitis. Would not use a second round pick in Robiskie. Not sure he will elevate enough in pro ranks but his disciplined and runs great routes.
Beanie Wells has the potential to one of the best backs ever in the NFL. He has all the needed ingredients. Runs with vision can out run people or run over them. He has the best stiff arm since Jim Brown. I would not hesitate to roll the dice on him with that five pick in the first. Unless another back graded out much higher with much more potential. Adrian Peterson was passed because he had some injuries in college.
The Browns should focus on drafting offense in the early rounds. Mark Sanchez is an interesting idea too.
Alex Boone blows I would not use a FA pickup salary on him
Rich,
I LOL when I saw your comparison of Beanie to Jim Brown. I was just thinking of that same thing just last night. In fact, as a kid (I'm 62 now), I remember Sports Illustrated ran a pictorial story on Jim Brown & that stiff arm of his. I have not seen one like it until Beanie. I agree that if he can stay healthy, he can be a great one.
Mike
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Maybe not the next LT or Seau but very well could be the next Brian Urlacker. Seems that's who most scouts compare him to.
Bad 40...........................WTF he was better then Maualuga. A 4.7 40 for a ILB isn't bad, so what about his pro day was bad.............Everything I read said he did very well. And his 3 years as an All American and multiple individual defensive awards, including defensive player of the year and best LB speak for themselves.
Tired of hearing people dissing this guy when he has proven to be a hell of a football player, with good character, never complains and suits up every week to play. BTW, he leaves it on the field every week. He gives the 100% and never asks for anything because he loves the game.
Every year, it seems like certain people get picked on by the draft gurus. My guess is Hawk going as high as he did and not being dominant (yet?) has hurt JL also. Losing the last three bowl games didn't help him either, because a lot of the myths about OSU players sucking started twirling around.
As far as this board goes, for whatever reason there are quite a few guys that aren't Buckeye fans. Fine with me, but they seem to actually root against them, which goes along with the national perception of Buckeye hatred.
We need Notre Dame to get decent again so people can go back to hating them like Sev does.
Every year, it seems like certain people get picked on by the draft gurus. My guess is Hawk going as high as he did and not being dominant (yet?) has hurt JL also. Losing the last three bowl games didn't help him either, because of lot of the myths about OSU players sucking started twirling around.
As far as this board goes, for whatever reason there are quite a few guys that aren't Buckeye fans. Fine with me, but they seem to actually root against them, which goes along with the national perception of Buckeye hatred.
We need Notre Dame to get decent again so people can go back to hating them like Sev does.
Great post.................................
I can't see why people think Hawk is a very good LB. He does what he's suppose to in the scheme he plays. GB doesn't blitz him as a LB. they apply pressure with their front 4 and bring DBs on blitzes. Rarely will you see a LB blitz in GB. So, Hawk doesn't have great numbers. He still is solid week in and week out and I'd take him in a minute. He's the ultimate team player who leaves it on the field every week and never complains.
Some just like to do the half empty thing over the half full thing. JL will be a outstanding LB in the NFL. MIght be better suited for a 4-3 defense like Urlacker plays with the Bears, but wherever he lands he will be a team player continue to display good character and will give 100% every Sunday because he loves the game. what else could you ask for.
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Interesting set of takes..........
Laurinaitis plays with vision and instinct and is durable. His instincts put him around the ball and thus he makes lots of stops. He will be fine linebacker in the pros. I would use a second on him if we had an offense. Since we do not, I would be drafting another skill player in the second round. If Laurinaitis is there in the third take him. Heck I would trade tubbo Rogers for another second and use in on Laurinaitis. Would not use a second round pick in Robiskie. Not sure he will elevate enough in pro ranks but his disciplined and runs great routes.
Beanie Wells has the potential to one of the best backs ever in the NFL. He has all the needed ingredients. Runs with vision can out run people or run over them. He has the best stiff arm since Jim Brown. I would not hesitate to roll the dice on him with that five pick in the first. Unless another back graded out much higher with much more potential. Adrian Peterson was passed because he had some injuries in college.
The Browns should focus on drafting offense in the early rounds. Mark Sanchez is an interesting idea too.
Alex Boone blows I would not use a FA pickup salary on him
Rich,
I LOL when I saw your comparison of Beanie to Jim Brown. I was just thinking of that same thing just last night. In fact, as a kid (I'm 62 now), I remember Sports Illustrated ran a pictorial story on Jim Brown & that stiff arm of his. I have not seen one like it until Beanie. I agree that if he can stay healthy, he can be a great one.
Mike
Rich,
I LOL when I saw your comparison of Beanie to Jim Brown. I was just thinking of that same thing just last night. In fact, as a kid (I'm 62 now), I remember Sports Illustrated ran a pictorial story on Jim Brown & that stiff arm of his. I have not seen one like it until Beanie. I agree that if he can stay healthy, he can be a great one.
Mike
Thanks Canton Mike for seeing that. Most of my posts get deleted. I think by Rifferx. Glad that you had a chance to read the insight from me we both now share. Rolling the dice on Wells will not be a bad thing. When healthy his numbers have been staggering. He makes an offensive line play much better! He can make some teams running game real solid.
His game against Michigan a year ago pretty much proved he can carry an offense. He also had a stellar against LSU in the BCS Championship.
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That's bs. Go back and look - you do not see me crowing up PSU players. I said Maybin could be a good pick, but we are tired of moving people to new positions and having them learn them, so not high there. Shipley could be looked at for C, he was the Rimington Award winner, anyhow. But, his height would be a concern.
I call a spade a spade, son.
Ah, pulling out the old "son" card I see.
Dude, you only poke in here to fook with da ich or bash a Buckeye and pimp a Nittany Lion.
Thanks for the compliment dad.
BTW, I do like Derrick Williams.
Dude, you only poke in here to fook with da ich or bash a Buckeye and pimp a Nittany Lion. BTW, I do like Derrick Williams.
Not true, but, whatever. Anyhow, I liked Derrick Williams, but he had horrible 40 times at the combine. They said he was sick with the flu, but, I don't know that to be a fact or fiction. That said, Derrick could have done so much better had we not had Antony Morelli at QB. Derrick finally got back to the things he could do well last year and succeeded. Just as important, the kid is an amazing character of a person - a leader, a teacher and someone who is willing to learn. I know a lot of people will say big whoop, this is the NFL - but, at least u will not have to worry about him getting into a bunch of BS like some of the clowns in the league do.
That said, I wouldnt go with him until Round 3. I think he can do better than Stallworth, but if and only if he were there in the third.
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Rich,
Your logic is that we shouldn't draft defense because we don't have an offense?
Your inference is that we have a defense? Unreal.
Being a contrarian because you somehow think it makes you "special" is one thing. Not understanding that this team has glaring needs on the defense is another.
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It just kills my how everyone gets so off track on these threads.. I could give a flying crap about what school he's from.. I am only interested in where he stands with the Browns and will he be a good player for us if we draft him and speculating on what spot we might try to get him.. Focus guys focus..
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It just kills my how everyone gets so off track on these threads.. I could give a flying crap about what school he's from.. I am only interested in where he stands with the Browns and will he be a good player for us if we draft him and speculating on what spot we might try to get him.. Focus guys focus..
It just kills my how everyone gets so off track on these threads.. I could give a flying crap about what school he's from.. I am only interested in where he stands with the Browns and will he be a good player for us if we draft him and speculating on what spot we might try to get him.. Focus guys focus..
Threads go where they may, that's the nature of the board.
Why do you always seem to be lecturing people anyway?
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Dude, you only poke in here to fook with da ich or bash a Buckeye and pimp a Nittany Lion. BTW, I do like Derrick Williams.
Not true, but, whatever. Anyhow, I liked Derrick Williams, but he had horrible 40 times at the combine. They said he was sick with the flu, but, I don't know that to be a fact or fiction. That said, Derrick could have done so much better had we not had Antony Morelli at QB. Derrick finally got back to the things he could do well last year and succeeded. Just as important, the kid is an amazing character of a person - a leader, a teacher and someone who is willing to learn. I know a lot of people will say big whoop, this is the NFL - but, at least u will not have to worry about him getting into a bunch of BS like some of the clowns in the league do.
That said, I wouldnt go with him until Round 3. I think he can do better than Stallworth, but if and only if he were there in the third.
That said, I wouldnt go with him until Round 3. I think he can do better than Stallworth
That's a bold statement.....lol.....I think we could grab a kid in the 4th or 6th and he'd be better than this stiff. He's been a bust from day 1 in the NFL.
This was Phil's worst signing during his time here.
It was the New England influence once again. He went to the Pats and looked decent...So he must be ok. Nope. He still sucks. Deion Branch was awful after leaving. David Givens signs a huge contract with the Titans and about halfway through the year (After doing nothing...0 TD's) he blows his knee up.
I'm waiting for Cassel to be a big bust as well.
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There is thinking laruinatis may fall to the top of the 2nd round and we are scoping him out for a possible selection there.
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Yeah, I'm betting Tennessee is saying the combine is overrated after Chris Johnson exposed his blazing speed, propelling them to waste a draft pick on him.....
Game speed is great, but it's not so easy to judge how fast a guy is on college film and translate to the pros. Forty times help with that. All the scouting techniques work. Interviews, 40 times, combine drills, watching film...they all have to be combined. A guy like Laurenitis may look blazing fast for an ILB, but he plays in a notoriously slow conference and a lot of games against subpar competition. So that + the forty time will tell an aggregate truth.
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TheJokersWILD said:
The combine is so overrated. It gives you an idea about someones physical attributes but doesn't tell the story about the person. Doesn't tell you what kinda heart he is going to play with when he goes to the pros or if he is just trying hard at the combine so he can get a better payday.I'm 100% with you there. The combine is good for interviews to help judge character and to get true heights and weights. You get some agility numbers and strength numbers but you see what kind of football player he is on film.
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Yeah, I'm betting Tennessee is saying the combine is overrated after Chris Johnson exposed his blazing speed, propelling them to waste a draft pick on him.....
Game speed is great, but it's not so easy to judge how fast a guy is on college film and translate to the pros. Forty times help with that. All the scouting techniques work. Interviews, 40 times, combine drills, watching film...they all have to be combined. A guy like Laurenitis may look blazing fast for an ILB, but he plays in a notoriously slow conference and a lot of games against subpar competition. So that + the forty time will tell an aggregate truth.
Yeah, I'm betting Tennessee is saying the combine is overrated after Chris Johnson exposed his blazing speed, propelling them to waste a draft pick on him.....
Game speed is great, but it's not so easy to judge how fast a guy is on college film and translate to the pros. Forty times help with that. All the scouting techniques work. Interviews, 40 times, combine drills, watching film...they all have to be combined. A guy like Laurenitis may look blazing fast for an ILB, but he plays in a notoriously slow conference and a lot of games against subpar competition. So that + the forty time will tell an aggregate truth.
LOL.................................please, people knew Johnson could run. His 40 time didn't do crap for his draft status. Game film where they can see his vision, ability to make people miss, the heart he plays with and his love of the game. There are all kind of guys that can run a 4.3 working at wal-marts.
Laurenitis's 40 is average to good for a ILB. Notoriously slow conference is BS, you sound like Mark May. the man can flat out play and loves the game. He'll be a 1st round pick and someone will end up with a hell of a football player. Scouts are better educated in evaluating players to let a combine 40 that isn't bad influence anything.
So, using your criteria Maualuga must be going to fall to a 3rd round pick after his combine. And, Freeman must be jumping into the middle of the first round.
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Yeah, I'm betting Tennessee is saying the combine is overrated after Chris Johnson exposed his blazing speed, propelling them to waste a draft pick on him.....
Game speed is great, but it's not so easy to judge how fast a guy is on college film and translate to the pros. Forty times help with that. All the scouting techniques work. Interviews, 40 times, combine drills, watching film...they all have to be combined. A guy like Laurenitis may look blazing fast for an ILB, but he plays in a notoriously slow conference and a lot of games against subpar competition. So that + the forty time will tell an aggregate truth.
. A guy like Laurenitis may look blazing fast for an ILB, but he plays in a notoriously slow conference and a lot of games against subpar competition. So that + the forty time will tell an aggregate truth.
This is one of the biggest myths going in college football today. It's for people that want to take ESPN at their word.
A few months ago I decided to break this down. I took the first four rounds of last five drafts and took a look at how many players were coming into the NFL via various conferences. I decided on the last five drafts so there wouldn't have been a case where a conference was just strong one year while another was weak. I used the first four rounds because that would be wide ranging while just keeping to those that are generally going to be considered future starters in the NFL.
The interior linemen on defense was really surprising.
D-Linemaen
ACC.........23 drafted in the first four rounds over the last five years
BIG 10.....21
SEC.........21
Big 12......12
PAC 10....10
Big East....3
O-Linemen
Big 12.....15 Drafted in the first four rounds over the last five years
SEC........14
ACC........13
Big East...12
Big Ten....11
Pac 10.....11
I have the numbers for LB's, Corners and WR's as well. I have to find them. The Big Ten had great numbers in these three positions! Linebackers especially.
The one thing it showed was that the SEC was not producing many more highly talented football players than The Big Ten or ACC especially. The numbers were very close.
What shocked me was the PAC 10. The numbers were generally lower. Take USC out of that picture and the numbers were shockingly low. Yet, it's the Big Ten that ESPN and these other media types like to rag on. They don;t have a clue.
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If little Animal falls to us in the 2nd we'd be crazy NOT to take him.
I don't think he's worth the #5 overall, but he's like C3, a smart kid that works hard and has a lot of heart. Another one of those "put him out there and not have to worry about him blowing his assignment" types.
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Yeah, I'm betting Tennessee is saying the combine is overrated after Chris Johnson exposed his blazing speed, propelling them to waste a draft pick on him.....
Game speed is great, but it's not so easy to judge how fast a guy is on college film and translate to the pros. Forty times help with that. All the scouting techniques work. Interviews, 40 times, combine drills, watching film...they all have to be combined. A guy like Laurenitis may look blazing fast for an ILB, but he plays in a notoriously slow conference and a lot of games against subpar competition. So that + the forty time will tell an aggregate truth.
LOL.................................please, people knew Johnson could run. His 40 time didn't do crap for his draft status. Game film where they can see his vision, ability to make people miss, the heart he plays with and his love of the game. There are all kind of guys that can run a 4.3 working at wal-marts.
Laurenitis's 40 is average to good for a ILB. Notoriously slow conference is BS, you sound like Mark May. the man can flat out play and loves the game. He'll be a 1st round pick and someone will end up with a hell of a football player. Scouts are better educated in evaluating players to let a combine 40 that isn't bad influence anything.
So, using your criteria Maualuga must be going to fall to a 3rd round pick after his combine. And, Freeman must be jumping into the middle of the first round.
LOL.................................please, people knew Johnson could run. His 40 time didn't do crap for his draft status.
No they didn't, at least not to the level of him being drafted as high as he was.
Game film where they can see his vision, ability to make people miss, the heart he plays with and his love of the game. There are all kind of guys that can run a 4.3 working at wal-marts.
No they don't.
Notoriously slow conference is BS, you sound like Mark May.
And everyone else in the world who isn't blind for the Big 10 and in "Ohio State is slow" denial.
So, using your criteria Maualuga must be going to fall to a 3rd round pick after his combine. And, Freeman must be jumping into the middle of the first round.
Judging by game film, Maualuga goes solidly ahead of Laurenitis. Rey mid first, James late first. I've thought Laurenitis was late to the pile consistently way before he ever ran at the combine or pro-day, and I never thought that about Rey Rey.
I don't hate Laurenitis. If we could get him in the second I'd take him in a heart beat. I just see his flaws. He's not the best linebacker in the draft for a reason. Sort of like Beanie Wells isn't projected first overall, and Jim Tressell isn't Jesus Christ. I know anything other wise is demonic with the OSU homerism that goes on, and I find it disgusting being a Buckeye fan myself.
And people tend to get a little crazy with the "game speed is different" than "track" speed. You put the 3 cone, shuttle, 40, high jump, etc. together, you're going to a pretty damn close estimate of what a player can do.
Vision is one thing that can't be measured at the combine, but even something like "ability to make people miss" has it's own distinct drill where they expose a running back for shiftiness and lack thereof. Mike Mayock said after he saw Steve Slaton run that particular drill that he knew he would end up being one of the top backs in the draft.
Obviously heart, desire, drive, etc. can't be measured either. That's why I said it all gets put together for an aggregate evaluation of a player.
I guess all the scouts and coaches must have just missed the memo that the combine doesn't matter, though. Guys drop or climb in the draft after the combine for a reason, because scouts and coaches know that these measurables matter enough not to ignore.
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LOL.................................please, people knew Johnson could run. His 40 time didn't do crap for his draft status.
No they didn't, at least not to the level of him being drafted as high as he was.
Game film where they can see his vision, ability to make people miss, the heart he plays with and his love of the game. There are all kind of guys that can run a 4.3 working at wal-marts.
No they don't.
Notoriously slow conference is BS, you sound like Mark May.
And everyone else in the world who isn't blind for the Big 10 and in "Ohio State is slow" denial.
So, using your criteria Maualuga must be going to fall to a 3rd round pick after his combine. And, Freeman must be jumping into the middle of the first round.
Judging by game film, Maualuga goes solidly ahead of Laurenitis. Rey mid first, James late first. I've thought Laurenitis was late to the pile consistently way before he ever ran at the combine or pro-day, and I never thought that about Rey Rey.
I don't hate Laurenitis. If we could get him in the second I'd take him in a heart beat. I just see his flaws. He's not the best linebacker in the draft for a reason. Sort of like Beanie Wells isn't projected first overall, and Jim Tressell isn't Jesus Christ. I know anything other wise is demonic with the OSU homerism that goes on, and I find it disgusting being a Buckeye fan myself.
And people tend to get a little crazy with the "game speed is different" than "track" speed. You put the 3 cone, shuttle, 40, high jump, etc. together, you're going to a pretty damn close estimate of what a player can do.
Vision is one thing that can't be measured at the combine, but even something like "ability to make people miss" has it's own distinct drill where they expose a running back for shiftiness and lack thereof. Mike Mayock said after he saw Steve Slaton run that particular drill that he knew he would end up being one of the top backs in the draft.
Obviously heart, desire, drive, etc. can't be measured either. That's why I said it all gets put together for an aggregate evaluation of a player.
I guess all the scouts and coaches must have just missed the memo that the combine doesn't matter, though. Guys drop or climb in the draft after the combine for a reason, because scouts and coaches know that these measurables matter enough not to ignore.
And everyone else in the world who isn't blind for the Big 10 and in "Ohio State is slow" denial.
It simply isn't true. You are being influenced by mostly ESPN as they are the the ones that like to talk about this the most.
It can easily be proven incorrect.
I can go to Scout.inc and go through the recruits and their 40 times for the past few years. OSU recruits are every bit as fast as USC's, or LSU's or Alabama's.
This "Slow" stuff is for the media and for those who want to believe every word that comes out of their mouth without looking at the facts. And the fact is this; There is very little difference in talent or speed.
You can stick to this "Slow" theory but you are only fooling yourself. I pointed out in a previous past that it's evident by the numbers going into the NFL as well. The Big ten has produced nearly as many high draft picks as The SEC and more than the PAC 10.
One of the reasons I did this research was someone was telling me the SEC was producing so many more defensive lineman than anyone else and that the Big Tens's linemen were especially slow. Yet just look at the numbers. In the last 5 years The SEC and Big Ten have each had 21 D-Linemen drafted in the first four rounds.
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And everyone else in the world who isn't blind for the Big 10 and in "Ohio State is slow" denial.
It simply isn't true. You are being influenced by mostly ESPN as they are the the ones that like to talk about this the most.
It can easily be proven incorrect.
I can go to Scout.inc and go through the recruits and their 40 times for the past few years. OSU recruits are every bit as fast as USC's, or LSU's or Alabama's.
This "Slow" stuff is for the media and for those who want to believe every word that comes out of their mouth without looking at the facts. And the fact is this; There is very little difference in talent or speed.
You can stick to this "Slow" theory but you are only fooling yourself. I pointed out in a previous past that it's evident by the numbers going into the NFL as well. The Big ten has produced nearly as many high draft picks as The SEC and more than the PAC 10.
One of the reasons I did this research was someone was telling me the SEC was producing so many more defensive lineman than anyone else and that the Big Tens's linemen were especially slow. Yet just look at the numbers. In the last 5 years The SEC and Big Ten have each had 21 D-Linemen drafted in the first four rounds.
oldcow1945 said:
In the last 5 years The SEC and Big Ten have each had 21 D-Linemen drafted in the first four rounds.This isn't necessarily because Big Ten players are just as fast, but they've got other qualities that make them good. That argument is completely shallow and wrong.
A team like Florida can have decidedly better overall team speed, but can lose a game against OSU because of other qualities. Big Ten produces size and strength, other conferences like the SEC produce speed.
Do you remember how Derrick Harvey made our offensive linemen look? Or are you like all other OSU fans and just block out that game? I'm not being influenced by ESPN, I'm being influenced by watching college football. You are being influenced, once again, by your scarlett and grey glasses.
Just another bitter, blindly loyal OSU fan.
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oldcow1945 said:
In the last 5 years The SEC and Big Ten have each had 21 D-Linemen drafted in the first four rounds.This isn't necessarily because Big Ten players are just as fast, but they've got other qualities that make them good. That argument is completely shallow and wrong.
A team like Florida can have decidedly better overall team speed, but can lose a game against OSU because of other qualities. Big Ten produces size and strength, other conferences like the SEC produce speed.
Do you remember how Derrick Harvey made our offensive linemen look? Or are you like all other OSU fans and just block out that game? I'm not being influenced by ESPN, I'm being influenced by watching college football. You are being influenced, once again, by your scarlett and grey glasses.
Just another bitter, blindly loyal OSU fan.
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